Professional Sportsbetting

[coach belly]

It must suck knowing this moron has made much more money in much less time than YOU

When you make a statement like this, then you are obliged to reveal your net worth, so that the challenged party can compare.

If you're not willing to disclose that, then your story is worth no more than anyone else's...which is to say worth nothing.

If you have a story to tell, then tell the whole story with evidence to back it up.

If you are not willing to do that, then just shut the fuck up...you come off like a phony, no better than all the others that you call phonies.

[kewlJ]

It must suck knowing this moron has made much more money in much less time than YOU

When you make a statement like this, then you are obliged to reveal your net worth, so that the challenged party can compare.

He is obligated. Where is that written? Who the fuck died and left you making up rules.

No one is obligated to prove a damn thing to you or anyone else. Frankly I don't know why anyone even gives you the time of day.

No real advantage player needs anyone to prove anything to them. We can tell just from talking to or reading just a few minutes of what someone has to say who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking. I have always maintained that and it is 100% true.

Everything else is just internet forum nonsense, including most of the "proof" you troll people demand.

[coach belly]

He is obligated. Where is that written?

He made a claim. In order to compare who has earned more money (which is his claim) he must first provide his earnings.

This is decorum...aka common sense...it doesn't need to be written.

You don't understand common sense...you think that anyone can post anything without any backup, and it must be considered just because it's been posted.

That's because you're nuts.

[kewlJ]

You don't understand common sense...you think that anyone can post anything without any backup, and it must be considered just because it's been posted.

That's because you're nuts.

No YOU don't understand how forums work. Haven't you been on forum (trolling) for like 25 years?

No one is on trial. No one need prove anything to you or anyone else. You have the option to believe any claim or not. That's it. And frankly if you can't figure out who is legit and who is not without playing all these forum games, then you're the one who is fucking nuts. And stupid to boot.

And any forum that is going to require advantage players to prove any claim, well then you aren't going to have many, if any real advantage player participate. It would be a forum of trolls....like here.

[redietz]

He is obligated. Where is that written?

He made a claim. In order to compare who has earned more money (which is his claim) he must first provide his earnings.

This is decorum...aka common sense...it doesn't need to be written.

You don't understand common sense...you think that anyone can post anything without any backup, and it must be considered just because it's been posted.

That's because you're nuts.

I'm sure Axelwolf has made plenty of money, just like the KewlJ(s) have. Of course, they probably aren't positioned to borrow the occasional Lamborghini, and they haven't had their skill publicly evaluated and put on display in a verified, published manner, or gotten swell tips like my Golden Eagle jackets and shirts, and a chainsaw if I remember correctly.

I get a kick out of these guys, living large. I'm just a Thomas Magnum kind of guy. I used to live in a master bedroom and borrow the Lambo. Now if only I understood how to drive it more than 35 miles an hour. I never did figure those paddles out.

These guys don't realize how niche the whole AP thing is compared to sports gambling. So they decide they are AP sports gamblers. The only problem is professional sports gamblers can do everything they do, plus the professional sports gamblers know what they're looking at, which -- LOL -- actually is useful on some occasions.

P.S. Well, I don't know if they can actually win this game, but I have Arkansas at 87-1 to win their Region. And I'm tied for 13th in the YouWager bracket contest out of 550, but I honestly did not pick Arkansas to beat Texas Tech in that contest. So something good will come out of this game, and something bad.

[coach belly]

No one is on trial.

Every dispute is not a trial...do you understand that?

tewlj..."I've made more money than you"

..."How much money have you made?"

tewlj..."I'm not telling, because I'm not required to tell"

..."You brought it up. How can we compare who has made more money?"

tewlj..."Everyone can just tell."

You're a nutjob.

[monet]

It's bad enough the Leafs keep making sloppy passes to the middle on the power play and give up a short handed goal but now Wolf is making bad plays and scoring on himself.
Yeah, the Leafs scored right after to make it 4-3 but this game is over.
We lose 1600.
I also went to the casino to get 140 dollars' worth of food, but of course, that has no value.
Anyways, I bet 400 on a live action bet since the Stars were up 1-0 and the Puck Line odds were still +105.
Parlayed that with the Leafs Puck Line to get 3.7 to 1 on my 400.
Stars won 5-2.
Also, the Blues decided to play hard in the last 10 minutes.
They won 3-2 and couldn't get the empty netter to cover the Puck Line.
Barring some miracle we gonna lose 2k on the day and go 2-2 against the Puck Line with posted picks.
Including the Buffalo Money Line bet.
Kraken and AVs looking good so far up 5-1 and 4-0 respectively.
I'll get you next time Evil Sports Book.

[monet]

3/28/25

Panthers Puck Line
Canes Puck Line
Knights Puck Line
Jets Puck Line

[kewlJ]

Monet, you give up way too easy. Leafs are down a goal with a full period to play to the worst team (by far) in hockey.

It isn't inconceivable that the worst team in hockey blows this game. And if they do it early enough, there could easily be a wager winning empty-netter.

Probably won't happen. But they are the worst team in the league for a reason. Give it 6-8 minutes into the 3rd. If Leafs tie it, in that time, you got a reasonable chance.

I am pulling for you for my own reasons.

[mickeycrimm]

Come to think of it some AP that actually lives at the casinos for months at a time, like the guy mickeycrimm knew BigCharles or something, might actually count that as income. I really don't know.

Room and meal comp cuts expenses. If I had to pay for every hotel night it could run up to 3K per month. I use room comp from both the casinos and the hotel loyalty programs to cut my hotel bill to maybe 1K per month, and even less. Meal comp works the same way.

But I'm after the money. The comp is just a byproduct of what I do. It cuts my expenses.

[kewlJ]

Monet, you give up way too easy. Leafs are down a goal with a full period to play to the worst team (by far) in hockey.

It isn't inconceivable that the worst team in hockey blows this game. And if they do it early enough, there could easily be a wager winning empty-netter.

Probably won't happen. But they are the worst team in the league for a reason. Give it 6-8 minutes into the 3rd. If Leafs tie it, in that time, you got a reasonable chance.

I am pulling for you for my own reasons.

Ok, NOW it is over.

[mickeycrimm]

Can you explain how this all worked, from start to finish?

You made picks and they were published where?

then those places did what exactly?

What/whose line was used?


During the interview can you have a few clients go on record?

Axelwolf, if you lived in LV for 20 years and don't know how this stuff worked, I can't help you. You must be an idiot, to put it bluntly. You criticize me and have literally no fucking idea about anything?

LOL. What an arrogant, brain dead prick. You think because you wander around playing slot machines, you're God's gift to gambling? WTF? I'm not sure which blows my mind more -- that you don't know this stuff or that you have the gall to comment about it when you know nothing.

Here's a hint -- since I don't comment on blackjack or slots or poker or even hockey betting or NBA betting (well, once, 30 years ago) -- before shooting off your mouth, know something about the subject. Don't assume you're God's gift. That's my tip to you.

What a fucking idiot. Seriously.

Here's what's mind-blowing to me. The sports gambling subculture in which I have lived for 40 years is gigantic compared to the "AP" subculture. Both in number and quality of experts, the importation of expertise from fields to apply to sports gambling, and in terms of people who have tried to conquer it. Yet the "APs" are oblivious. Now that sports gambling is legal, the "APs" just presume they can import some fifth grade math and and their mighty wits and conquer it all. It's truly comical.

I have asked a simple question you don't want to answer for whatever reason?

I lived in Vegas since 1990 and started full-time AP in about 1993-1994, my main focus was not AP NFL Sports Betting. I was able to watch or listen to almost all the games at that time. I did do very well in the NFL, even winning 1st and 2nd back to back (should have been first but the tie-breaker was entered wrong)in my first and second sports contests I ever entered(vs thousands of entries). My main focus was not on Sports it was on casino promotions, which included anything and everything such as BlackJack, Keno, overpayers, coupon hustling, drawings, Slot/VP progressives, rebates, sports, horses linked/shared bonus machines, casino machine mistakes, and much more. I never paid attention to any sports mumbo jumbo publications or followed the sports news. Sports was a side gig for me and I only bet when I was confident I had the best of it. I wasn't betting more than $300 to 1k per game. I did book some small action with people I knew for a short period of time.



Over time I stopped watching NFL and betting because I didn't have the time given that there was much more value and guaranteed money in other things (Some plays were thousands per hour with little risk, I.E double jackpot promos) Also, I knew I didn't know enough to be confident I wasn't just getting lucky.

Redietz knows absolutely zilch about AP'ing casinos. He's been walking right by it on on his way to and from the sports books all of his life. He's oblivious to it. Just as dumb as they come.

Has to borrow a Lamborghini, can't buy one. Bwahahahahahhaahahahha! He's a useful idiot to the guy he borrows the car from. Just like he was a useful idiot as a runner for Billy Walters.

[mickeycrimm]

P.S. For those not getting the inside joke, the client fees can pad a marginally losing handicapper into profitability in exactly the same way cashback, free play, and comps flip losing "AP" propositions into the realm of profitability.?

So that’s how it’s done? You were able to turn a profit from your slightly losing record by charging clients when a pick you gave them won? Brilliant hustle!

I can hear you talking to the client now. “Hey, buddy, there’s no charge for those 5 losing picks I gave you. But you won that game today….so pay up.”

Brilliant, Ditz. Absolutely brilliant.

[accountinquestion]

Axelwolf, if you lived in LV for 20 years and don't know how this stuff worked, I can't help you. You must be an idiot, to put it bluntly. You criticize me and have literally no fucking idea about anything?

LOL. What an arrogant, brain dead prick. You think because you wander around playing slot machines, you're God's gift to gambling? WTF? I'm not sure which blows my mind more -- that you don't know this stuff or that you have the gall to comment about it when you know nothing.

Here's a hint -- since I don't comment on blackjack or slots or poker or even hockey betting or NBA betting (well, once, 30 years ago) -- before shooting off your mouth, know something about the subject. Don't assume you're God's gift. That's my tip to you.

What a fucking idiot. Seriously.

Here's what's mind-blowing to me. The sports gambling subculture in which I have lived for 40 years is gigantic compared to the "AP" subculture. Both in number and quality of experts, the importation of expertise from fields to apply to sports gambling, and in terms of people who have tried to conquer it. Yet the "APs" are oblivious. Now that sports gambling is legal, the "APs" just presume they can import some fifth grade math and and their mighty wits and conquer it all. It's truly comical.

I have asked a simple question you don't want to answer for whatever reason?

I lived in Vegas since 1990 and started full-time AP in about 1993-1994, my main focus was not AP NFL Sports Betting. I was able to watch or listen to almost all the games at that time. I did do very well in the NFL, even winning 1st and 2nd back to back (should have been first but the tie-breaker was entered wrong)in my first and second sports contests I ever entered(vs thousands of entries). My main focus was not on Sports it was on casino promotions, which included anything and everything such as BlackJack, Keno, overpayers, coupon hustling, drawings, Slot/VP progressives, rebates, sports, horses linked/shared bonus machines, casino machine mistakes, and much more. I never paid attention to any sports mumbo jumbo publications or followed the sports news. Sports was a side gig for me and I only bet when I was confident I had the best of it. I wasn't betting more than $300 to 1k per game. I did book some small action with people I knew for a short period of time.



Over time I stopped watching NFL and betting because I didn't have the time given that there was much more value and guaranteed money in other things (Some plays were thousands per hour with little risk, I.E double jackpot promos) Also, I knew I didn't know enough to be confident I wasn't just getting lucky.

Redietz knows absolutely zilch about AP'ing casinos. He's been walking right by it on on his way to and from the sports books all of his life. He's oblivious to it. Just as dumb as they come.

Has to borrow a Lamborghini, can't buy one. Bwahahahahahhaahahahha! He's a useful idiot to the guy he borrows the car from. Just like he was a useful idiot as a runner for Billy Walters.

Just so everyone knows. The guy in the pic in my profile on the cover of Rob's book is infact a man borrowing a Lamborghini and taking pictures of it.

So large and in charge I made it my profile pic.

I give mad props to them for not playing it off as theirs.

[accountinquestion]

P.S. For those not getting the inside joke, the client fees can pad a marginally losing handicapper into profitability in exactly the same way cashback, free play, and comps flip losing "AP" propositions into the realm of profitability.?

So that’s how it’s done? You were able to turn a profit from your slightly losing record by charging clients when a pick you gave them won? Brilliant hustle!

I can hear you talking to the client now. “Hey, buddy, there’s no charge for those 5 losing picks I gave you. But you won that game today….so pay up.”

Brilliant, Ditz. Absolutely brilliant.

BTW it isn't an inside joke if no one else is on the inside.

[redietz]

Axelwolf, if you lived in LV for 20 years and don't know how this stuff worked, I can't help you. You must be an idiot, to put it bluntly. You criticize me and have literally no fucking idea about anything?

LOL. What an arrogant, brain dead prick. You think because you wander around playing slot machines, you're God's gift to gambling? WTF? I'm not sure which blows my mind more -- that you don't know this stuff or that you have the gall to comment about it when you know nothing.

Here's a hint -- since I don't comment on blackjack or slots or poker or even hockey betting or NBA betting (well, once, 30 years ago) -- before shooting off your mouth, know something about the subject. Don't assume you're God's gift. That's my tip to you.

What a fucking idiot. Seriously.

Here's what's mind-blowing to me. The sports gambling subculture in which I have lived for 40 years is gigantic compared to the "AP" subculture. Both in number and quality of experts, the importation of expertise from fields to apply to sports gambling, and in terms of people who have tried to conquer it. Yet the "APs" are oblivious. Now that sports gambling is legal, the "APs" just presume they can import some fifth grade math and and their mighty wits and conquer it all. It's truly comical.

I have asked a simple question you don't want to answer for whatever reason?

I lived in Vegas since 1990 and started full-time AP in about 1993-1994, my main focus was not AP NFL Sports Betting. I was able to watch or listen to almost all the games at that time. I did do very well in the NFL, even winning 1st and 2nd back to back (should have been first but the tie-breaker was entered wrong)in my first and second sports contests I ever entered(vs thousands of entries). My main focus was not on Sports it was on casino promotions, which included anything and everything such as BlackJack, Keno, overpayers, coupon hustling, drawings, Slot/VP progressives, rebates, sports, horses linked/shared bonus machines, casino machine mistakes, and much more. I never paid attention to any sports mumbo jumbo publications or followed the sports news. Sports was a side gig for me and I only bet when I was confident I had the best of it. I wasn't betting more than $300 to 1k per game. I did book some small action with people I knew for a short period of time.



Over time I stopped watching NFL and betting because I didn't have the time given that there was much more value and guaranteed money in other things (Some plays were thousands per hour with little risk, I.E double jackpot promos) Also, I knew I didn't know enough to be confident I wasn't just getting lucky.

Redietz knows absolutely zilch about AP'ing casinos. He's been walking right by it on on his way to and from the sports books all of his life. He's oblivious to it. Just as dumb as they come.

Has to borrow a Lamborghini, can't buy one. Bwahahahahahhaahahahha! He's a useful idiot to the guy he borrows the car from. Just like he was a useful idiot as a runner for Billy Walters.

Yep, I was a runner. Earned two letters my freshman and sophomore year at Penn State. Cross-country.

Meanwhile, mickey's rides are the thing of legend. Featured in his videos. More power to him.

So the argument is I'm dumb because I didn't play slots and become a mickey or an Axelwolf? Yeah, not everyone can fill those shoes. Quite aspirational, though.

I know this may come as a shock, but not everyone wants to play slots for a living. Or a partial living. Or a hobby. The whole idea that sports betting and playing slots should somehow be categorized together because they are "gambling" highlights how the word "gambling" is of limited utility. I did manage to come up with a decent definition back when I did a book outline for the Allen and Yarnow Agency. Took me awhile to figure it out, though, and it had to do with time frames and unequivocal outcomes.

[AxelWolf]

I have asked a simple question you don't want to answer for whatever reason?

I lived in Vegas since 1990 and started full-time AP in about 1993-1994, my main focus was not AP NFL Sports Betting. I was able to watch or listen to almost all the games at that time. I did do very well in the NFL, even winning 1st and 2nd back to back (should have been first but the tie-breaker was entered wrong)in my first and second sports contests I ever entered(vs thousands of entries). My main focus was not on Sports it was on casino promotions, which included anything and everything such as BlackJack, Keno, overpayers, coupon hustling, drawings, Slot/VP progressives, rebates, sports, horses linked/shared bonus machines, casino machine mistakes, and much more. I never paid attention to any sports mumbo jumbo publications or followed the sports news. Sports was a side gig for me and I only bet when I was confident I had the best of it. I wasn't betting more than $300 to 1k per game. I did book some small action with people I knew for a short period of time.



Over time I stopped watching NFL and betting because I didn't have the time given that there was much more value and guaranteed money in other things (Some plays were thousands per hour with little risk, I.E double jackpot promos) Also, I knew I didn't know enough to be confident I wasn't just getting lucky.

Redietz knows absolutely zilch about AP'ing casinos. He's been walking right by it on on his way to and from the sports books all of his life. He's oblivious to it. Just as dumb as they come.

Has to borrow a Lamborghini, can't buy one. Bwahahahahahhaahahahha! He's a useful idiot to the guy he borrows the car from. Just like he was a useful idiot as a runner for Billy Walters.

Yep, I was a runner. Earned two letters my freshman and sophomore year at Penn State. Cross-country.

Meanwhile, mickey's rides are the thing of legend. Featured in his videos. More power to him.

So the argument is I'm dumb because I didn't play slots and become a mickey or an Axelwolf? Yeah, not everyone can fill those shoes. Quite aspirational, though.

I know this may come as a shock, but not everyone wants to play slots for a living. Or a partial living. Or a hobby. The whole idea that sports betting and playing slots should somehow be categorized together because they are "gambling" highlights how the word "gambling" is of limited utility. I did manage to come up with a decent definition back when I did a book outline for the Allen and Yarnow Agency. Took me awhile to figure it out, though, and it had to do with time frames and unequivocal outcomes.

But you are not understanding, I did way more than just play slots with an advantage. That includes sports betting, Blackjack, Craps, Roulette, Bacc, Poker, VP, Keno and all kinds of different table games, All kinds of progressives, various different unusual electronic games even some horses.

I happened to put more time into slots and VP.

Video Poker: because you could/can get an advantage off the top while adding cashback, comps, promotions, and drawings. Even when you don't have an edge off the top the HA is low and that allows for +EV on a large percentage of promotions and marketing.

Slots: because most slots have a high house edge and the casino's promotions and marketing offers tend to be more generous. Include the fact that there are progressive slots, accumulator slots/variable state slots that are +EV.

There is much much more to what I have been doing over the years than just sitting down and playing. I have traveled all around the United States while setting up complicated strategies and schemes to take advantage of different lucrative promotions and situations. That included having had multiple people work and play for you and making new partnerships and business deals etc.

[mickeycrimm]

I know this may come as a shock, but not everyone wants to play slots for a living. Or a partial living. Or a hobby. The whole idea that sports betting and playing slots should somehow be categorized together because they are "gambling" highlights how the word "gambling" is of limited utility. I did manage to come up with a decent definition back when I did a book outline for the Allen and Yarnow Agency. Took me awhile to figure it out, though, and it had to do with time frames and unequivocal outcomes.

The guys in the video, Krack and Randy McKay are professional sports bettors. They also play advantage slots when the opportunity presents itself. I've known Randy since the late 90's. He lived in the books in Laughlin. But he would come out into the casino when a juicy promotion was going on. He's still doing the same shit today.

Krack is a well known professional sports bettor. But he posts occasional pics of machine plays on Twitter. When asked why he plays machines occasionally he said it's like finding money on the floor. It's free money. Who doesn't like free money?

Anyway, redietz, these guys are multi talented to say the least. And you ain't, to say the least.

Randy talks about a video blackjack play in Colorado. I know the game he was playing. The IGT breakeven version. All you need is a good promotion to whack their ass because blackjack has such low variance. On 20 coin dollars you're running a 20K wager per hour. Even just a 1% edge and you are printing money. It's payday everyday. Randy said he did like 30K on it in a months time.

[monet]

Monet, you give up way too easy. Leafs are down a goal with a full period to play to the worst team (by far) in hockey.

It isn't inconceivable that the worst team in hockey blows this game. And if they do it early enough, there could easily be a wager winning empty-netter.

Probably won't happen. But they are the worst team in the league for a reason. Give it 6-8 minutes into the 3rd. If Leafs tie it, in that time, you got a reasonable chance.

I am pulling for you for my own reasons.

Ok, NOW it is over.

I can usually see what's going to happen after the 1st period.
Sharks were playing hard and Leafs were making too many mistakes.
Yeah, Leafs decided to tie the game in the last minute with two goals but...
The damage was done early with that stupid pass on the power play giving up the empty net breakaway.
And, after Wolf scored on himself, I figured it was a 95% chance of failure.
20-1 shot.
Anyways, we beat the book for a little over 7k today.
Got my 2k back plus 5.
Could have been a lot better if the Panthers covered the Puck Line.
Whatever.

[monet]

3/28/25

Panthers Puck Line
Canes Puck Line
Knights Puck Line
Jets Puck Line

Fucking Panthers played like dog shit going 1 for 6 on the power play.
They looked abysmal on the power play, and it wasn't anything Utah was doing.
They just aren't gelling very good after the trade deadline.
Probably something to do with Marchand.
He was doing some weird shit out there.
Anyways they still won in OT for the Money Line bet, if you did that.
I did some of it with 2, 3 and 4 Teamers with the above teams that I gave you all for free.
And continue to do so when I have the time and feel like it.

The Knights played like shit but got lucky enough to cover the Puck Line.
The old Power Play Goal with 3 minutes to play and the EMPTY NETTER to cover.
Is anyone ever going to believe me about the NHL, Puck Lines, Empty Netters and Parlays??
I doubt it.

Panthers Win 2-1 (Did not Cover the Puck Line).
Canes Win and Cover 4-1.
Jets Win and Cover 4-0.
Knights Win and Cover 5-3.

3 and 1 against the Puck Line on the day.
4-0 against the Money Line.

13-4, against the Puck Line, in my last 17 posted on this site with ample time to get your tickets in.
76.47%-win rate for you Fucking Nerds.
That doesn't even factor in the Wild +155 and Penguins +220 Pick and Wins against the Puck Line!
Win Rate against the Puck Line doesn't really mean shit.
You can have a losing record and still make money as you're always getting a plus.