Here you go AxelWolf

[MDawg]

You're someone who constantly worries about how others perceive you because acceptance and relevance are goals you've always failed to attain. You're hard-on over mdawg, his real life success, him being norm "upstairs", and his ability to live the casino life you've forever dreamed about living, has only ripped your miserable & shattered life apart even more.

Oh for God sakes Druff. This is your statement? Really!?!

I'm not sure what is more deluded thinking - you believing anyone believes your stories or you telling everyone you don't really care.

[kewlJ]

How is this trip visiting Las Vegas going dawg?

Sunday at noon. 75 degree perfect day and you are spending the day trolling multiple other real players on 2 forums. Yeah that is what normal, healthy people visiting las Vegas do.

[MDawg]

Is this like the 10th time you've announced you're leaving? Why are you still here?

[kewlJ]

Dawg if you were really what you claim, a higher limit long-term winning player, you wouldn't need to try to discredit everyone that doubts you. You wouldn't need to drive away players and members that doubt you. You wouldn't try to silence players/members that doubt you like you do trying to get people suspended or banned.

You would welcome the opportunity to respectfully discuss and further explain what people doubting you might not understand.

That fact that you go the opposite route every time, trying to bully, discredit and silence anyone that doubts you, is more than telling. It reveals everything.

[redietz]

Dawg if you were really what you claim, a higher limit long-term winning player, you wouldn't need to try to discredit everyone that doubts you. You wouldn't need to drive away players and members that doubt you. You wouldn't try to silence players/members that doubt you like you do trying to get people suspended or banned.

You would welcome the opportunity to respectfully discuss and further explain what people doubting you might not understand.

That fact that you go the opposite route every time, trying to bully, discredit and silence anyone that doubts you, is more than telling. It reveals everything.

As far as Las Vegas story-telling goes, what's hearsay for the goose is hearsay for the gander.

[monet]

I knew a guy who said he was up 1 Million Dollars in a few days but later admitted he was actually “about even”

When I asked him how he could lose track of 1 Million Dollars like that he said something like:

“I bet $100,000 a hand so me losing track of 1 Million Dollars is only losing track of 10 bets. If you (me) being a red chipper were betting $10 per hand & thought you were up $100 but when you got home and counted your money realized that you were ‘about even’ it wouldn’t be a big deal would it?”

And then it all made perfect sense.

Recently, I got home and counted up 9600 that was supposed to be 10k.
Must have taken 400 off that roll and forgot to replace it.
I was Fucking Pissed.

[Rob.Singer]

"You would welcome the opportunity to respectfully discuss and further explain what people doubting you might not understand."

This lie is rich kew.

How many time have I described how and why my play strategy has won me $375k over the 4 years I played it? And because you don't like that I profited from it and because you're not mathematically proficient enuf nor capable of comprehending strategy complexities, your answer was to call me names, lie about anything about me, and then continuously make false claims about me as you try desperately to convince everyone else you're right.

This is what gambling losers do kew, and all those people out there that you pretend you've convinced, also know how losers react to others winning.

You're just too dense to see it.

[Don Perignom]

How many time have I described how and why my play strategy has won me $375k over the 4 years I played it?

Some people just can't understand math.

[coach belly]

Some people just can't understand math.

Some people are self-taught gambling math...but for college boys like tewlj, the math curriculum was very weak in Florida, and Villanova's expectation was that he understood math before admitting him.

The result?...a perfect storm of math illiteracy.

Ans THAT is not how Vegas works.

[kewlJ]

How many time have I described how and why my play strategy has won me $375k over the 4 years I played it?

Rob, THIS wasn't even your story or claim when I joined this forum in 2016. At THAT time your story was that you played your Singer progression system for an entire decade during the 2000s winning over a million dollars. You later changed that to 4 years winning 375k to make room for playing the double up bug claim that you stole, for the other 5 years.

And this wasn't changing some minor details so that you couldn't be identified. This was your basic story and timeline that you completely altered.

This left you with two entirely different claims, neither matching your original claim for decades. The first, the progressive system claim that can NOT result in long-term winning and the second a claim that you stole from the players that did it, years after the fact (and it hit the news). So NO, there can be no respectful discussion about that kind of silliness Rob.

[Don Perignom]

So NO, there can be no respectful discussion about that kind of silliness Rob.

He had to lie because of the statue of limitations

[coach belly]

He had to lie because of the statue of limitations

Of course...if he lied, then he had to lie to protect himself.

That's legit by the official Rules of How Vegas Works.

[redietz]

He had to lie because of the statue of limitations

Of course...if he lied, then he had to lie to protect himself.

That's legit by the official Rules of How Vegas Works.

It's a bit of a paradox. If you don't lie, you don't know how LV works. If you do know how LV works, then you've gotta lie. If you tell the truth, then you obviously don't know how LV works. The Way Vegas Works, according to the KewlJ(s).

Remind you of anybody?

[redietz]

You know, the more I think about the hearsay that forms the backbone of most "AP" claims on this site, and compare it to the grind of actually doing your job, with your name on it, in public, the more ridiculous I find it that the resident "APs" somehow think they have cornered the market on legitimacy.

Anonymous undocumented hearsay as the foundation of your reputation. Wow. And you actually expect people to buy what you're selling.

What a gig.

[kewlJ]

It's a bit of a paradox. If you don't lie, you don't know how LV works. If you do know how LV works, then you've gotta lie. If you tell the truth, then you obviously don't know how LV works. The Way Vegas Works, according to the KewlJ(s).

It actually is a bit of a paradox. But not how you are making it out to be. So I will explain it to you one time, since you either have no clue or are pretending not to know how it works.

There are 2 parts to advantage play. Any advantage play. No matter what the player is doing from the simplest things I engage in like card counting to the much more advanced things others do.

Part 1 is discovering or becoming aware of a vulnerability in the game, based on mathematics that can turn the game in the player favor (+EV). This player advantage can be ever so slight, as in the case of card counting, or 100+% VP play return, to some of the much bigger edges and advantages that the guys much smarter than I are finding these days.

Part 2 is figuring out how to play that game at that advantage for as long as you can. Hence the word "longevity".

Because Las Vegas or more broadly the casino industry WILL figure out the vulnerability and stop or try to stop players from playing it. This is why casinos want or in some cases are now starting to require players play rated. It isn't because they are nice guys and want to comp them. They want to track everybody to be able to quickly spot the players that have found some kind of vulnerability (advantage play) that allows them to win, so they can shut it down or shut that player down.

Now with what I do, card counting, the part about the casinos figuring it out, happened 50-60 years ago. Nothing new here. Well nothing major anyway. Players have to play in a way to overcome a little higher house edge than 50 years ago because of the rule changes the casinos implemented, things like dealer h17 for example. But that is very minor. The casino have long ago before I was even born figured out what was going on. In part because some players like Thorp and Revere literally showed them.

So with card counting in this day and age, you skip right to part 2. Finding ways to be able to play. That can range from doing some things that are a bit deceitful, to just playing limits that are tolerated, so you win smaller amounts each visit or session. And of course, playing unrated, as much as possible to make it harder to track your play. And any player like myself that is going to talk about what they are doing, you can because there is nothing new, but you have to be a bit deceitful and change details and occasionally even lie, otherwise something you describe can be easily linked back to you, even playing unrated. So yeah, there is some lying and deceit in Part 2, if you are going to talk about it on forums or public, even though nothing is new.

Now the guys that are doing some of the newer advanced stuff (way over my pay grade).... they aren't talking about it. It may come up years later like mickeycrimm just linked to the story describing Grosjean/Munchkin hitting that craps game played with cards in Oklahoma, but that has been 9 years now. They weren't talking about it on forums when it was going down, before casinos knew what was hitting them, so there was no reason for them to lie and be deceitful. If you don't talk, you don't have to change details, omit details and sometimes lie. If you do talk because the play is known, well yes, you have to change some details and sometimes lie, just so something identifying can't be linked back to you.

You really should read that story mickey linked to. It shows the 2 parts of advantage play clear as day. It shows Grosjean spotting the vulnerability and figuring the math and testing that out and then it shows Part 2, him and his team figuring how to best play to get maximum return before it is discovered and either the game shut down or they were shut down. That is the longevity part. Because of James's experience and expertise, he even knew or had a pretty strong idea what that amount would be....what that game was worth before they shut it or him down.

[kewlJ]

Now once you understand these 2 very distinct parts of advantage play, you understand why claims like dawgs and Singers before him are so egregious. Dare I say it....it is just not the way things work. Players have to take the money and figure out ways to take it and be able to take it. Casinos aren't just handing it over without caring like Dawg has always claimed. THAT is the part I have always found insulting.

And Singer is even worse. He didn't even get to step 1 (not sure Dawg did either), but Singer is claiming his advantage is some long ago disproved shit like progressive wagering.

[DGenBen]

How many time have I described how and why my play strategy has won me $375k over the 4 years I played it?

Rob, THIS wasn't even your story or claim when I joined this forum in 2016. At THAT time your story was that you played your Singer progression system for an entire decade during the 2000s winning over a million dollars. You later changed that to 4 years winning 375k to make room for playing the double up bug claim that you stole, for the other 5 years.

And this wasn't changing some minor details so that you couldn't be identified. This was your basic story and timeline that you completely altered.

This left you with two entirely different claims, neither matching your original claim for decades. The first, the progressive system claim that can NOT result in long-term winning and the second a claim that you stole from the players that did it, years after the fact (and it hit the news). So NO, there can be no respectful discussion about that kind of silliness Rob.

He thought he was up a million dollars but when he compared his net worth from when he started the Singer progression system to when he finished it (minus expenses along the way of course) he realized he was “about even.”

[MDawg]

This dude is a fraud. He just tries to piece together things that he imagines goes on based on a culmination of bits and pieces of stories he pulls from the Internet. Clown world.

[jdaewoo]

Why isn't this retard making up more fake baccarat sessions?

[redietz]

I have a great idea. Why don't we divide the forum into two parts? Maybe four parts, in fact.

We can have:

1) Verifiable wins versus casinos by people with real names.

2) Verifiable wins by anonymous people (in case you're wondering how that works, a sports monitor and a handicapper who wishes to remain anonymous or assigns the winning to an AI).

3) Non-verifiable stories by real people.

4) Non-verifiable stories by anonymous people.


These are four distinctly different things. Readers can then decide what degree of make believe or hearsay should be attached to each category and each poster.

The problem with the KewlJ(s) narratives is that they're basically all hearsay. Not admissible in court. Not even entered into evidence. The only difference between the KewlJ(s)' stories (which is what they are) and MDawg's is that the KewlJ(s) attach "This is the way LV works" to their stories. MDawg attaches photos.