Bob Dietz' Coming Appeararance On PokerFraudAlert Radio

[redietz]

My gut tells me this show is never going to happen. Just because it has been drug out so long. I mean it is a call in show done remotely. If both parties wanted to do it it would have been done by now. Instead we get Redietz wanting specific dates so he can fly to Las Vegas, for a phone in show, and he is even talking about having invited guests in his hotel room for the call in show. Like everything with this guy, it has just become creepy and weird.

THAT said, I honestly hope it does come off and Red is able to account himself in a way that leaves no doubt as to who he is and what he has accomplished. I am hoping for that because my initial impression was that he was more or less being honest. I am not sure why he goes into all that 1983 shit though?

BUT, as time has gone on, my doubts have grown stronger based a couple red flags. The first were several years ago, when Red didn't seem to understand why advantage players battling with the casinos on a daily or regular basis, need to remain anonymous. That he doesn't get that, with his 100 days a year in Vegas for 40 years is just weird. But I chalked it up to he just does different things than advantage players do.

The second BIG red flag for me was his comments on EV. THAT one is hard to dismiss.

And #3, has been his recently, like last 6 months or so, getting so damned defensive and attacking APs with all the Leonardo da AP shit.

But again, I sincerely hope some of these things are just him being an old school sports bettor and doing things much differently than AP's do, in these modern times. I honestly would like confirmation that my initial read of him was correct, just for my own satisfaction.

Once again, the KewlJ(s) paraphrase stuff without quotes because the quotes, if presented in full, would not say what KewlJ(s) paraphrases suggest. In other words, the KewlJ(s) summaries are, as are most of his stories, primarily bullshit. KewlJ thinks he's an expert. He's an expert on bullshitting; that's about it.

Yeah, those "EV" comments are real red flags. That's probably why, in my first conversation with Munchkin, he agreed with my stance of using "EV" in past tense as in "The 'EV' was" and not in the future tense, because there is no sports betting "EV" (outside of arbitrage and middles shooting) that isn't personal opinion as opposed to math.

I have had zero issues with a call-in show at any time. While I think it would be great entertainment to have me and Axelwolf calling in together from an LV hotel room for ambience, or me eviscerating the KewlJ(s) in person with his "I'll bet 50 things a night while working off bonuses" bullshit, I'll settle for droning on alone if need be. A solo conversation seems almost gentle, you know, positive "EV" and all that.

[coach belly]

While I think it would be great entertainment to have me and Axelwolf calling in together from an LV hotel room

Yes it would be great.

Challenge the little prick to show up, he likes to throw challenges around, and meet people from the forums.

Then you too can whine about it for months when he doesn't respond or declines.

[cyberbabble]

redeitz,

Here's a chart explaining why nobody should buy picks from a tout. Perhaps you could explain the flaws in it for us.

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[accountinquestion]

My gut tells me this show is never going to happen. Just because it has been drug out so long. I mean it is a call in show done remotely. If both parties wanted to do it it would have been done by now. Instead we get Redietz wanting specific dates so he can fly to Las Vegas, for a phone in show, and he is even talking about having invited guests in his hotel room for the call in show. Like everything with this guy, it has just become creepy and weird.

THAT said, I honestly hope it does come off and Red is able to account himself in a way that leaves no doubt as to who he is and what he has accomplished. I am hoping for that because my initial impression was that he was more or less being honest. I am not sure why he goes into all that 1983 shit though?

BUT, as time has gone on, my doubts have grown stronger based a couple red flags. The first were several years ago, when Red didn't seem to understand why advantage players battling with the casinos on a daily or regular basis, need to remain anonymous. That he doesn't get that, with his 100 days a year in Vegas for 40 years is just weird. But I chalked it up to he just does different things than advantage players do.

The second BIG red flag for me was his comments on EV. THAT one is hard to dismiss.

And #3, has been his recently, like last 6 months or so, getting so damned defensive and attacking APs with all the Leonardo da AP shit.

But again, I sincerely hope some of these things are just him being an old school sports bettor and doing things much differently than AP's do, in these modern times. I honestly would like confirmation that my initial read of him was correct, just for my own satisfaction.

Someone pointed this out to me but he also avoids the better forums that have real sports bettors. Instead he posts on forums like this that do not attract actual sharp sports bettors outside of APs giving it a go for over whatever edge. He doesn't seem to exist on the sports betting forums. There is a ton of red flags here. He wants to dox people to have leverage to make them shut-up.

I tend to believe it won't happen. I believed this soon after this became a thing and Redietz went into his bag of smoke grenades.

[pinchingyourballs]

redeitz,

Here's a chart explaining why nobody should buy picks from a tout. Perhaps you could explain the flaws in it for us.

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This chart needs another flow direction where the tout is Jontay Porter.

[redietz]

redeitz,

Here's a chart explaining why nobody should buy picks from a tout. Perhaps you could explain the flaws in it for us.

Embedded Tweet

https://twitter.com/#!/x/status/1111031521878642688

Be more than happy to do so. Call into the show and we'll go over the chart line by line.

The basic premise of the chart is flawed, which is pretty obvious. It features a standard "AP" take on sports betting, which is of limited value, and it ignores the realities of both what it calls "sports betting" and "the market." Basically, there are multiple, obvious problems with this chart that literally anyone should be able to see and logic them out in 30 seconds.

If this is the current idea of clever debunking, I suggest proponents of this chart start off by reading a couple of basic books, including Munchkin's Gambling Wizards.

I can't believe that people have bought into the language of this particular chart. The flaws are obvious. I think what surprises me most about some of you is the Kruger-Dunning-ness of it all. You literally have no idea what you're talking about, and you're convinced of your own expertise. It's truly scary. The naivete is stunning. I mean, c'mon, any of you -- account, the KewlJ(s), even someone who knows nothing about sports betting and has not done it, like MrV, should be able to debunk this chart in a minute or two.

As the Trumpster says, "Sad." Honestly, if you are touting this chart (see what I did there?), you need to sit down for five minutes and simply think it through.

You guys are so naive, it's amazing. Is everybody autistic or did nobody ever take a writing course or two where you debunk and edit other people's writing?

For people who actually want to have some kind of grasp on reality, I suggest emailing me at IntegritySports@aol.com and asking serious questions under your real name. I'm usually happy to point you in the right direction. This online stuff dealing with anonymous handles who think they know what they're doing is a complete waste of time. It's silly. Or hell, text me at 714-244-6853.

Don't worry about your name or number getting abused. I've managed to run something called Integrity Sports for 45 years for a reason. If you'll notice, there has not been one complaint about me in those 45 years, other than your friend and mine, Rob Argentino, claiming that some "associate" of mine called him, but Rob has no number to report. I haven't taken on new clients in more than a decade, so not sure where Rob was going with his story, but I can't vouch for or against unnamed "associates" with no phone numbers. Such is life.

[mcap]

Fucking AOL.com and seemingly has no clue who Rufus is, essentially calling him a moron. All you are doing is telling on yourself.

At best, you’re an arrogant dinosaur stuck in the 1990’s.

[redietz]

Fucking AOL.com and seemingly has no clue who Rufus is, essentially calling him a moron. All you are doing is telling on yourself.

At best, you’re an arrogant dinosaur stuck in the 1990’s.

You are, of course, correct (as most anonymous online expert gamblers are). As someone who has either the best or second best lifetime record ATS in The Wise Guys Contest (which I retired from in 2023, not 1990, by the way), I clearly am out of my depth. Picking two games ATS a week for 30 years, with those games appearing on national newsstands, has no validity whatsoever.

And yes, Sheldon, that's sarcasm.

You guys are a trip. Do you really think market lingo has been imported and adopted in sports gambling because the books DON'T WANT it? C'mon, have some brains.

The combination of arrogance, naivete, and the willingness to believe people who are not tracked by third parties...not sure what to make of it. It's an odd confluence. Here's a simple gambling rule -- if you are presented with two alternatives, and (A) says winning is easy, requiring basic math skills, and no, we have no long-term, third-party tracking, and (B) says winning is hard, achieved by less than 1% of the population, and winning requires more than basic math skills, and yes, we have third-party historical tracking of results, which proponent do you think is more likely to be telling the truth, (A) or (B)?

[mcap]

You’re going into lengthy paragraphs to discredit shit that no one ever ducking by claimed and ignoring/sidestepping the issues.

Never did I claim to be a gambling expert. As Account pointed out you do everything you have a pattern of doing everything you can to avoid interacting with those so you can claim your faux authority. Fucking retard.

[redietz]

You’re going into lengthy paragraphs to discredit shit that no one ever ducking by claimed and ignoring/sidestepping the issues.

Never did I claim to be a gambling expert. As Account pointed out you do everything you have a pattern of doing everything you can to avoid interacting with those so you can claim your faux authority. Fucking retard.

That was some response, mcap. Have you considered an English 101 course? My bad, of course, if English is your second language. If that's the case, I apologize in advance.

Yeah, I'm avoiding all interactions. That's why I'm posting under my real name, gave out my email and phone number, offered to be on the show regardless of locale or time, and offered to have some debunkers on the show just to help expose my general ignorance. Probably also why I've been monitored for 30 years, with my ATS record in print in annual publications and weekly publications.

It's all because I'm avoiding exposure so as to prop up my faux authority.

I promised I wouldn't name drop again, but what the hell. Yeah, this is why Billy Walters hired me. because he lacks the resources, experience, and sophistication to separate faux authority from expertise.

That's the ticket.

[mcap]

A lot of condescending paragraphs to never once address any issues brought up.

Maybe you can have your good friend and associate Billy can come vouch for your current expertise? Or you can just continually throw the name out there and parallel all the "I played on the MIT team" blackjack scammers.

[accountinquestion]

redeitz,

Here's a chart explaining why nobody should buy picks from a tout. Perhaps you could explain the flaws in it for us.

Embedded Tweet

https://twitter.com/#!/x/status/1111031521878642688

Be more than happy to do so. Call into the show and we'll go over the chart line by line.

The basic premise of the chart is flawed, which is pretty obvious. It features a standard "AP" take on sports betting, which is of limited value, and it ignores the realities of both what it calls "sports betting" and "the market." Basically, there are multiple, obvious problems with this chart that literally anyone should be able to see and logic them out in 30 seconds.

If this is the current idea of clever debunking, I suggest proponents of this chart start off by reading a couple of basic books, including Munchkin's Gambling Wizards.

I can't believe that people have bought into the language of this particular chart. The flaws are obvious. I think what surprises me most about some of you is the Kruger-Dunning-ness of it all. You literally have no idea what you're talking about, and you're convinced of your own expertise. It's truly scary. The naivete is stunning. I mean, c'mon, any of you -- account, the KewlJ(s), even someone who knows nothing about sports betting and has not done it, like MrV, should be able to debunk this chart in a minute or two.

As the Trumpster says, "Sad." Honestly, if you are touting this chart (see what I did there?), you need to sit down for five minutes and simply think it through.

You guys are so naive, it's amazing. Is everybody autistic or did nobody ever take a writing course or two where you debunk and edit other people's writing?

For people who actually want to have some kind of grasp on reality, I suggest emailing me at IntegritySports@aol.com and asking serious questions under your real name. I'm usually happy to point you in the right direction. This online stuff dealing with anonymous handles who think they know what they're doing is a complete waste of time. It's silly. Or hell, text me at 714-244-6853.

Don't worry about your name or number getting abused. I've managed to run something called Integrity Sports for 45 years for a reason. If you'll notice, there has not been one complaint about me in those 45 years, other than your friend and mine, Rob Argentino, claiming that some "associate" of mine called him, but Rob has no number to report. I haven't taken on new clients in more than a decade, so not sure where Rob was going with his story, but I can't vouch for or against unnamed "associates" with no phone numbers. Such is life.

And there goes another smoke grenade.

Can never answer any question - even those of minimal difficulty. Spends 5x as much effort trying to paint himself as some high-level expert as he does answering simple questions.

Refers in vague terms as to how wrong everyone is and the obviousness of it all to him. Yet, he never answers.

Just more signs .. whatever.. Maybe we'll get a show but I seriously doubt it.

[accountinquestion]

Fucking AOL.com and seemingly has no clue who Rufus is, essentially calling him a moron. All you are doing is telling on yourself.

At best, you’re an arrogant dinosaur stuck in the 1990’s.

You are, of course, correct (as most anonymous online expert gamblers are). As someone who has either the best or second best lifetime record ATS in The Wise Guys Contest (which I retired from in 2023, not 1990, by the way), I clearly am out of my depth. Picking two games ATS a week for 30 years, with those games appearing on national newsstands, has no validity whatsoever.

And yes, Sheldon, that's sarcasm.

You guys are a trip. Do you really think market lingo has been imported and adopted in sports gambling because the books DON'T WANT it? C'mon, have some brains.

The combination of arrogance, naivete, and the willingness to believe people who are not tracked by third parties...not sure what to make of it. It's an odd confluence. Here's a simple gambling rule -- if you are presented with two alternatives, and (A) says winning is easy, requiring basic math skills, and no, we have no long-term, third-party tracking, and (B) says winning is hard, achieved by less than 1% of the population, and winning requires more than basic math skills, and yes, we have third-party historical tracking of results, which proponent do you think is more likely to be telling the truth, (A) or (B)?

Winning is very rarely easy - it is extremely dependent on the lines you have available and how willing the book is to let you keep betting.

You - being a sports contest bettor never really had to learn when not to bet. Meaning you never really had to learn EV. Now you're stuck eating mud pies on a forum populated by weirdos and sharp bettors.

Which side are you on?

You're not tracked by third parties. You go out of your way to obsfucate all your picks through some third party comic book character.

Apparently you were tracked to some degree at some point in the past but that was a far different time when lines would have been considerably weaker. You want to be arrogant - point this out.

.. Except I don't think you realize it.

[MisterV]

For people who actually want to have some kind of grasp on reality, I suggest emailing me at IntegritySports@aol.com and asking serious questions under your real name. I'm usually happy to point you in the right direction. This online stuff dealing with anonymous handles who think they know what they're doing is a complete waste of time. It's silly. Or hell, text me at 714-244-6853.

Yes, let us inject some "reality" into the equation.

Those wishing to learn more about you and any services you offer would want to view your web site first, before deciding whether to contact you.

What is the link to your web site?

[mickeycrimm]

Where did you get the idea that I’m going to be on the show?

You're not?

What's the point, then?

Just listening to him explain himself the same way he has before will add nothing new: somehow I got the idea that the two of you would be on together, discussing contrarian viewpoints.

What contrarian viewpoints? If I'm on PFA radio I will talk about slots and video poker, maybe some memories of live poker. That's my area, not sportsbetting.

As far as redietz goes, I've just about lost interest. My main interest was getting his views on the term EV out into the public. So many noted sportsbettors use the term and base their betting in it. The ones that do have math backgrounds. redietz doesn't have a math background so I can see why he poopoos it.

But I think everyone should start submitting questions now, in this thread, to turn over to Druff. If anyone has a question then please post it. We'll see how much interest there is in this interview.

[mickeycrimm]

BUT, as time has gone on, my doubts have grown stronger based a couple red flags. The first were several years ago, when Red didn't seem to understand why advantage players battling with the casinos on a daily or regular basis, need to remain anonymous. That he doesn't get that, with his 100 days a year in Vegas for 40 years is just weird. But I chalked it up to he just does different things than advantage players do.

Redietz was trolling on the issue of identity, unless he was trying to gain someone's identity to cause that person grief. The Ditz knows perfectly well why Billy Walters did not walk into the casinos and make the bets himself. They wouldn't take Walters action if he did that. So by using beards Walters hid the fact that it was him making the bets. And Walters kept his identity as a professional sports bettor hidden from the public for decades.

I remember when GWAE was going to have Michael Konik on the show. Konik wrote the book, Smart Money, about an anonymous professional sports bettor that was making millions. Dancer was interested in who this person was. People would make guesses all the time. But Konik would just say "I can neither confirm nor deny that's the person." Konik acually became a Walters beard.

The week before the interview I seen a 60 Minutes piece on Billy Walters who I had never heard of. I emailed Dancer and said I think we found our guy that the Smart Money book was based on. Dancer watched the interview and concluded the same. But when he asked Konik about it on the show he got the "I can neither confirm nor deny" treatment.

Redietz knows full well why Walters hid his identity for so long. He's just fucking with AP's. It was that 60 Minutes interview that Walters gained worldwide fame.



Dancer article on Michael Konik:
https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/gamb...UB2ZAWRMmGCfJo

GWAE interview of Michael Konik:
http://slot-machine-resource.com/pod...2011-02-24.mp3

[kewlJ]

But I think everyone should start submitting questions now, in this thread, to turn over to Druff. If anyone has a question then please post it.

Ok, well I would like to know what kind of money is associated with winning or even placing high in these contests that Red is constantly throwing at us? Is it significant money that if a player wins a contest every couple years and places high in a couple more, they can make a living doing so? Or is the prize money minor and the main value some sort of bragging rights which become a tool in soliciting "clients" into some sort of tout business?

It seems like Redietz hangs on to documentation of winning or doing well in some contests from 40 years ago, like it is gold. Maybe in the tout business it is.

And of course my primary question remains: If a person has the ability to pick winners at a rate that overcomes the Vig....+EV.....long-term, then why would he need to sell his picks to clients or investors? Why not just pick winners. Seems to me that is what a real professional sports bettor would be doing. Betting and winning.

And I guess the follow up to my primary question would be, if you are running some sort of tout service selling picks, and your picks were winning picks, making money for your "clients", why would you need new clients every year? Wouldn't those clients flock back year after year? Doesn't needing new clients indicate that your "service" is not really picking winners?

Note: These questions are submitted by a non professional in the field of sports betting. Just an AP that does some bonus whoring as part of his overall advantage play experience

[kewlJ]

Just to be clear what I am suggesting. If you enter enough of these contests, you can then cherry pick a couple that you did well to use as a tool to solicit people to a tout type business. And of course the contests you didn't do well aren't mentioned.

Is this really sports betting? Or some sort of marketing of something that just happens to be sports picks?

Of course what do I know? Red has a journalism degree from what used to be The Pennsylvania Farmers High School, now Penn State.

[accountinquestion]

The more and more he types you realize the more and more this show ain't happenin.

Thats a wrap.

[redietz]

redeitz,

Here's a chart explaining why nobody should buy picks from a tout. Perhaps you could explain the flaws in it for us.

Embedded Tweet

https://twitter.com/#!/x/status/1111031521878642688

Be more than happy to do so. Call into the show and we'll go over the chart line by line.

The basic premise of the chart is flawed, which is pretty obvious. It features a standard "AP" take on sports betting, which is of limited value, and it ignores the realities of both what it calls "sports betting" and "the market." Basically, there are multiple, obvious problems with this chart that literally anyone should be able to see and logic them out in 30 seconds.

If this is the current idea of clever debunking, I suggest proponents of this chart start off by reading a couple of basic books, including Munchkin's Gambling Wizards.

I can't believe that people have bought into the language of this particular chart. The flaws are obvious. I think what surprises me most about some of you is the Kruger-Dunning-ness of it all. You literally have no idea what you're talking about, and you're convinced of your own expertise. It's truly scary. The naivete is stunning. I mean, c'mon, any of you -- account, the KewlJ(s), even someone who knows nothing about sports betting and has not done it, like MrV, should be able to debunk this chart in a minute or two.

As the Trumpster says, "Sad." Honestly, if you are touting this chart (see what I did there?), you need to sit down for five minutes and simply think it through.

You guys are so naive, it's amazing. Is everybody autistic or did nobody ever take a writing course or two where you debunk and edit other people's writing?

For people who actually want to have some kind of grasp on reality, I suggest emailing me at IntegritySports@aol.com and asking serious questions under your real name. I'm usually happy to point you in the right direction. This online stuff dealing with anonymous handles who think they know what they're doing is a complete waste of time. It's silly. Or hell, text me at 714-244-6853.

Don't worry about your name or number getting abused. I've managed to run something called Integrity Sports for 45 years for a reason. If you'll notice, there has not been one complaint about me in those 45 years, other than your friend and mine, Rob Argentino, claiming that some "associate" of mine called him, but Rob has no number to report. I haven't taken on new clients in more than a decade, so not sure where Rob was going with his story, but I can't vouch for or against unnamed "associates" with no phone numbers. Such is life.

And there goes another smoke grenade.

Can never answer any question - even those of minimal difficulty. Spends 5x as much effort trying to paint himself as some high-level expert as he does answering simple questions.

Refers in vague terms as to how wrong everyone is and the obviousness of it all to him. Yet, he never answers.

Just more signs .. whatever.. Maybe we'll get a show but I seriously doubt it.

Honestly, if you can't figure out the problems with the chart (and the problems with the language in the chart), well, good luck with that. Just call into the show and ask so I can appear brilliant. I appreciate being propped up by maroons. Just please don't open the question with, "I'm a maroon." We'll keep that between us. I need to look good.

Now everyone can debate whether (1) I'm ducking the show and (2) whether account should call in with the chart. I'll help you with (1). Does it sound to you like I'm ducking the show? Use your "AP" instincts to figure that out.