Bob Dietz' Coming Appeararance On PokerFraudAlert Radio

[redietz]

I find it pretty funny but a tad strange that most of you really have no idea what you're talking about, but seem to have strong opinions anyway. I think they call that Dunning-Kruger in the psychological literature. Well, make that all of you except Boz, really. Boz knows his stuff. Now obviously Boz is a neutral party, so you can direct questions at him also.

I get a kick out of cyberbabble. No, not everyone in The Wise Guys was a "tout." In fact, the gentleman known as "Southern Comfort," who had arguably the best overall Wise Guys ATS record ongoing for decades, was not a "tout." He was years ahead of his time. He was plugged into arbitrage and middles-shooting via offshores with auto-alarms back before Windows existed as a system. He is the only handicapper who said he never had a losing calendar year, and I believed him.

There were other private handicappers in The Wise Guys.

Cyberbabble purposefully paraphrases something I said, which is that I had the best or second best record ATS in the Wise Guys for the cumulative time I was in the contest. Obviously I wasn't first or second every individual year; that's beyond ridiculous.

I have no idea what Axelwolf was referencing. I'm not going to read an entire Street and Smith without some guidance as to what the question is.

Good try, though, cyberbabble. Nothing like being anonymous and wrong. You know, you could have saved everyone some reading time by ending your post with, "I don't know anything specific." That about sums up your post.

As to, "too much competition to get any traction," yeah, that was good, cyberbabble. That's why Mr. Walters hired me. He felt sorry for me.

If you guys have no legitimate, respectful questions, I'll drop the daily 11 PM EST check-in and make it once a week on Monday night at 11 PM. Todd has my email so he can contact me any time.

Have a good one! Axelwolf, if you have an actual question of some kind, just email me. Half the time, I can't tell what the hell you're talking about. I don't know if it's me or the Captain Morgan, but I think a private email is the way to go.

Boz, if you have the time and inclination, consider helping these guys out. I don't know if these folks are all slot machine experts, poker players, or just general maroons, but the lack of sports betting savvy is pretty startling.

[kewlJ]

I find it pretty funny but a tad strange that most of you really have no idea what you're talking about, but seem to have strong opinions anyway. I think they call that Dunning-Kruger in the psychological literature. Well, make that all of you except Boz, really. Boz knows his stuff. Now obviously Boz is a neutral party, so you can direct questions at him also.

I get a kick out of cyberbabble. No, not everyone in The Wise Guys was a "tout." In fact, the gentleman known as "Southern Comfort," who had arguably the best overall Wise Guys ATS record ongoing for decades, was not a "tout." He was years ahead of his time. He was plugged into arbitrage and middles-shooting via offshores with auto-alarms back before Windows existed as a system. He is the only handicapper who said he never had a losing calendar year, and I believed him.

There were other private handicappers in The Wise Guys.

Cyberbabble purposefully paraphrases something I said, which is that I had the best or second best record ATS in the Wise Guys for the cumulative time I was in the contest. Obviously I wasn't first or second every individual year; that's beyond ridiculous.

I have no idea what Axelwolf was referencing. I'm not going to read an entire Street and Smith without some guidance as to what the question is.

Good try, though, cyberbabble. Nothing like being anonymous and wrong. You know, you could have saved everyone some reading time by ending your post with, "I don't know anything specific." That about sums up your post.

As to, "too much competition to get any traction," yeah, that was good, cyberbabble. That's why Mr. Walters hired me. He felt sorry for me.

If you guys have no legitimate, respectful questions, I'll drop the daily 11 PM EST check-in and make it once a week on Monday night at 11 PM. Todd has my email so he can contact me any time.

Have a good one! Axelwolf, if you have an actual question of some kind, just email me. Half the time, I can't tell what the hell you're talking about. I don't know if it's me or the Captain Morgan, but I think a private email is the way to go.

Boz, if you have the time and inclination, consider helping these guys out. I don't know if these folks are all slot machine experts, poker players, or just general maroons, but the lack of sports betting savvy is pretty startling.

Billy Walters name dropping AGAIN? How long did you work for him? Wasn't it a number of months? Part of a year? That is ALOT of name-dropping and trying to tie yourself to him for a short time.

As for questions, why should anybody waste any more time asking you questions. Axelwolf has asked questions. Mickeycrimm has asked questions. And I have asked a question. And you have yet to answer any. You just seem to want to jerk us around.

[accountinquestion]

I find it pretty funny but a tad strange that most of you really have no idea what you're talking about, but seem to have strong opinions anyway. I think they call that Dunning-Kruger in the psychological literature. Well, make that all of you except Boz, really. Boz knows his stuff. Now obviously Boz is a neutral party, so you can direct questions at him also.

I get a kick out of cyberbabble. No, not everyone in The Wise Guys was a "tout." In fact, the gentleman known as "Southern Comfort," who had arguably the best overall Wise Guys ATS record ongoing for decades, was not a "tout." He was years ahead of his time. He was plugged into arbitrage and middles-shooting via offshores with auto-alarms back before Windows existed as a system. He is the only handicapper who said he never had a losing calendar year, and I believed him.

There were other private handicappers in The Wise Guys.

Cyberbabble purposefully paraphrases something I said, which is that I had the best or second best record ATS in the Wise Guys for the cumulative time I was in the contest. Obviously I wasn't first or second every individual year; that's beyond ridiculous.

I have no idea what Axelwolf was referencing. I'm not going to read an entire Street and Smith without some guidance as to what the question is.

Good try, though, cyberbabble. Nothing like being anonymous and wrong. You know, you could have saved everyone some reading time by ending your post with, "I don't know anything specific." That about sums up your post.

As to, "too much competition to get any traction," yeah, that was good, cyberbabble. That's why Mr. Walters hired me. He felt sorry for me.

If you guys have no legitimate, respectful questions, I'll drop the daily 11 PM EST check-in and make it once a week on Monday night at 11 PM. Todd has my email so he can contact me any time.

Have a good one! Axelwolf, if you have an actual question of some kind, just email me. Half the time, I can't tell what the hell you're talking about. I don't know if it's me or the Captain Morgan, but I think a private email is the way to go.

Boz, if you have the time and inclination, consider helping these guys out. I don't know if these folks are all slot machine experts, poker players, or just general maroons, but the lack of sports betting savvy is pretty startling.

lol no joke.
very funny

[AxelWolf]

I find it pretty funny but a tad strange that most of you really have no idea what you're talking about, but seem to have strong opinions anyway. I think they call that Dunning-Kruger in the psychological literature. Well, make that all of you except Boz, really. Boz knows his stuff. Now obviously Boz is a neutral party, so you can direct questions at him also.

I get a kick out of cyberbabble. No, not everyone in The Wise Guys was a "tout." In fact, the gentleman known as "Southern Comfort," who had arguably the best overall Wise Guys ATS record ongoing for decades, was not a "tout." He was years ahead of his time. He was plugged into arbitrage and middles-shooting via offshores with auto-alarms back before Windows existed as a system. He is the only handicapper who said he never had a losing calendar year, and I believed him.

There were other private handicappers in The Wise Guys.

Cyberbabble purposefully paraphrases something I said, which is that I had the best or second best record ATS in the Wise Guys for the cumulative time I was in the contest. Obviously I wasn't first or second every individual year; that's beyond ridiculous.

I have no idea what Axelwolf was referencing. I'm not going to read an entire Street and Smith without some guidance as to what the question is.

Good try, though, cyberbabble. Nothing like being anonymous and wrong. You know, you could have saved everyone some reading time by ending your post with, "I don't know anything specific." That about sums up your post.

As to, "too much competition to get any traction," yeah, that was good, cyberbabble. That's why Mr. Walters hired me. He felt sorry for me.

If you guys have no legitimate, respectful questions, I'll drop the daily 11 PM EST check-in and make it once a week on Monday night at 11 PM. Todd has my email so he can contact me any time.

Have a good one! Axelwolf, if you have an actual question of some kind, just email me. Half the time, I can't tell what the hell you're talking about. I don't know if it's me or the Captain Morgan, but I think a private email is the way to go.

Boz, if you have the time and inclination, consider helping these guys out. I don't know if these folks are all slot machine experts, poker players, or just general maroons, but the lack of sports betting savvy is pretty startling.

I had a very simple question.

I just want to know if this magazine is the (or associated with) Tipsters or Gypsters published by Mike McCusker, the one you are always talking about?
http://ia801402.us.archive.org/22/it...ears)_text.pdf

[redietz]

I find it pretty funny but a tad strange that most of you really have no idea what you're talking about, but seem to have strong opinions anyway. I think they call that Dunning-Kruger in the psychological literature. Well, make that all of you except Boz, really. Boz knows his stuff. Now obviously Boz is a neutral party, so you can direct questions at him also.

I get a kick out of cyberbabble. No, not everyone in The Wise Guys was a "tout." In fact, the gentleman known as "Southern Comfort," who had arguably the best overall Wise Guys ATS record ongoing for decades, was not a "tout." He was years ahead of his time. He was plugged into arbitrage and middles-shooting via offshores with auto-alarms back before Windows existed as a system. He is the only handicapper who said he never had a losing calendar year, and I believed him.

There were other private handicappers in The Wise Guys.

Cyberbabble purposefully paraphrases something I said, which is that I had the best or second best record ATS in the Wise Guys for the cumulative time I was in the contest. Obviously I wasn't first or second every individual year; that's beyond ridiculous.

I have no idea what Axelwolf was referencing. I'm not going to read an entire Street and Smith without some guidance as to what the question is.

Good try, though, cyberbabble. Nothing like being anonymous and wrong. You know, you could have saved everyone some reading time by ending your post with, "I don't know anything specific." That about sums up your post.

As to, "too much competition to get any traction," yeah, that was good, cyberbabble. That's why Mr. Walters hired me. He felt sorry for me.

If you guys have no legitimate, respectful questions, I'll drop the daily 11 PM EST check-in and make it once a week on Monday night at 11 PM. Todd has my email so he can contact me any time.

Have a good one! Axelwolf, if you have an actual question of some kind, just email me. Half the time, I can't tell what the hell you're talking about. I don't know if it's me or the Captain Morgan, but I think a private email is the way to go.

Boz, if you have the time and inclination, consider helping these guys out. I don't know if these folks are all slot machine experts, poker players, or just general maroons, but the lack of sports betting savvy is pretty startling.

I had a very simple question.

I just want to know if this magazine is the (or associated with) Tipsters or Gypsters published by Mike McCusker, the one you are always talking about?
http://ia801402.us.archive.org/22/it...ears)_text.pdf

Jesus, Axelwolf, this is why I'll limit myself to once a week. But because I'm into sports betting education, here we go:

This is Street and Smith, about the most famous, kind-of-old-school college football pre-season magazine. It published forever. If I remember correctly, I think I read Street and Smith because it tried to give kicker/punter summaries for most of the college football teams in a clear fashion when many other magazines kind of blew off returning kickers unless they were all-conference or had some kind of notoriety. Pre-internet, I religiously read Street and Smith and GamePlan and another one whose name eludes me. I still read them post-internet but cross-referenced them with other sources.

Now, to your questions.

First of all, a problem with your main question. As a trained writer, I hate the phrase "associated with" because it means nothing. What does "associated with" actually mean? This is why Singer chose (he's a trained writer) to post non-specific junk like, "some salesperson called me and said he was 'associated with' Bob Dietz." Check with Todd, who I'm sure has stumbled across people using the "associated with" phrase to make anything up in the world of poker. "Associated with" COULD mean the person owns the company, or contributes content to the company, or is a subscriber, or is on a mailing list, or has coffee with Aunt Debby (who works for the company) every Friday. The phrase has no actual concrete meaning.

Hell, since I bought Street and Smith for about 30 years, I'M ASSOCIATED WITH THE COMPANY, is my point.

But putting aside the editorial non-meaning of the phrase "associated with," no, Street and Smith did not own or co-publish or sponsor Mike McCusker to my knowledge. I don't think "Tipsters or Gypsters?" ran any ads in Street and Smith, but I could be wrong.

Now here's my problem. If you don't know what Street and Smith is, really, you are at sea. Probably half of college football fans over the age of 40 know what Street and Smith is. Anybody over the age of 40 who ever looked at a newsstand for magazines pre-2010 should know what Street and Smith is. If you aren't familiar with this stuff, why are you even commenting, much less commenting as if you know what you're talking about? It's silly.

To put this all in context, one of KewlJ's blackjack playing professional friends posted here under an Asian name (he's not Asian), and he had a better collection of "Tipsters or Gypsters?" than I have. Somewhere in this forum, he discusses it. This was not some mysterious thing. As I mentioned, the SF Chronicle did a profile on McCusker that was pretty humorous. If you went to the Chronicle offices, they could probably find it for you. Gambler's Book Club may have a collection of the old "Tipsters or Gypsters?" Not sure if they were the publishers or not; all rights were held by McCusker.

Boz, if you agree, back me up on the Street and Smith commentary. This magazine was about as famous as they got. Sad to say, I think I remember the 1971 cover.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/32532710491...UaAtEBEALw_wcB

[mcap]

Ooh I’ve heard of Street and Smiths. Do I get bonus points for knowing about Phil Steele, and scamdicapper Playbook magazine by scamdicapper Marc Lawrence? And there’s the basic Athlons and Lindy’s and all that.

But why give a fuck about magazines from 20-40 years ago that were mostly inaccurate by the print date anyway?

[redietz]

Ooh I’ve heard of Street and Smiths. Do I get bonus points for knowing about Phil Steele, and scamdicapper Playbook magazine by scamdicapper Marc Lawrence? And there’s the basic Athlons and Lindy’s and all that.

But why give a fuck about magazines from 20-40 years ago that were mostly inaccurate by the print date anyway?

I don't know. Ask Axelwolf.

And by the way, they were actually quite accurate by the print date. Different world back then. You could count on 95% of the players listed as starters in the magazines still being starters by Game One kickoffs.

And you do realize McCusker coined the term "scamdicapper," right? The SF Chronicle article featured much of his colorful language.

[Rob.Singer]

Ooh I’ve heard of Street and Smiths. Do I get bonus points for knowing about Phil Steele, and scamdicapper Playbook magazine by scamdicapper Marc Lawrence? And there’s the basic Athlons and Lindy’s and all that.

But why give a fuck about magazines from 20-40 years ago that were mostly inaccurate by the print date anyway?

I don't know. Ask Axelwolf.

And by the way, they were actually quite accurate by the print date. Different world back then. You could count on 95% of the players listed as starters in the magazines still being starters by Game One kickoffs.

And you do realize McCusker coined the term "scamdicapper," right? The SF Chronicle article featured much of his colorful language.

Red, has it ever occurred to you that you could SAY all this stuff in an interview where people are listening, instead of writing endless essays that very few read?

[mickeycrimm]

Another question for the radio show:

Dietz, have you ever answered a question without insulting the questioner?

[Don Perignom]

Another question for the radio show:

Dietz, have you ever answered a question without insulting the questioner?

Your question gave us a chuckle as I was having brunch with my friend who has a PhC from Dartmouth, and my other friend who co-wrote a short film that brought the audience to tears at an IFF screening.

We weren't laughing WITH you.

[kewlJ]

Another question for the radio show:

Dietz, have you ever answered a question without insulting the questioner?

Here is a better question.

Sports Gambling Hall of Fame located in Circa Casino has inducted about 20 members in its brief 3 year existence. The first inductee was Billy Walters. Most of the others, people that have been involved with and made a name for themselves in sports betting over the last 40 years. One name NOT mentioned is Bob Dietz. Why is that?

Bob Dietz, who near as I can tell, nobody outside of this forum has ever heard of by actual name or handle, Posts his real name over and over and over, so he in no way wants to remain anonymous, as an active blackjack player, or even sports bettor might. And even more than that, on this forum, he screams that name, address, ect from the highest mountain on an almost daily basis.

Along with his name, he contends that he is one of the top sports bettors over the last 50 years (it was 40 years until he extended it to 50 this week). Just yesterday he wrote "I had the best or second best record ATS in the Wise Guys for the cumulative time I was in the contest."

So my question is why would the guy with the best or second best record, cumulatively over decades, in this 'Wise guys' contest, which he claims is the gold standard among sports betting contests, not be recognized in the Las Vegas based Sports Gambling Hall of Fame?

I will take it a step further. I would bet that Derek Stevens owner of Circa and a huge sports betting enthusiast hasn't even heard of Bob Dietz, the legend of this forum who spent 100 days a year for the last 40 years in Las Vegas.

[Don Perignom]

And even more than that, on this forum, he screams that name, address, ect from the highest mountain on an almost daily basis.

No such word as ect.



What did the two in the middle do to qualify?

[accountinquestion]

Another question for the radio show:

Dietz, have you ever answered a question without insulting the questioner?

Mr Dietz, have you ever answered a question?
Have you ever not insulted someone when posting on the internet?

"Technically, the answer is yes to both of those"

[TheGrimReaper]

And even more than that, on this forum, he screams that name, address, ect from the highest mountain on an almost daily basis.

No such word as ect.

It's as much of a word as, etc.

AI Overview

ECT stands for Electroconvulsive Therapy. It's a psychiatric treatment that involves using electrical stimulation to induce a brief seizure in the brain, often used to treat severe mental health conditions like depression, mania, and schizophrenia when other treatments haven't been effective.

Even rhymes with VCT. Ha.

[Don Perignom]

It's as much of a word as, etc.

AI Overview

ECT stands for Electroconvulsive Therapy. It's a psychiatric treatment that involves using electrical stimulation to induce a brief seizure in the brain, often used to treat severe mental health conditions like depression, mania, and schizophrenia when other treatments haven't been effective.

I should be more careful.

[mcap]

Sports gambling hall of fame at Circa is kind of a joke, it's almost entirely bookmakers/those on the industry side. It's the equivalent of 85% of the people in the blackjack hall of fame being casino managers, pit or surveillance personnel. Where's a guy like Harabob Voulgaris if it's about sports betting?

Probably fair play to ask Kewlj why he isn't in the Blackjack Hall of Fame after 15+ years of professional blackjack though if he's going to throw the equivalent question out there.

[Don Perignom]

[kewlJ]

Sports gambling hall of fame at Circa is kind of a joke, it's almost entirely bookmakers/those on the industry side. It's the equivalent of 85% of the people in the blackjack hall of fame being casino managers, pit or surveillance personnel. Where's a guy like Harabob Voulgaris if it's about sports betting?

This may be true. I don't know. I am not an expert in sports betting. I am an advantage player, that happens to be doing something at an advantage with betting sports right now...bonus whoring. It is not even my main AP activity.

But I would think someone with the credentials Bob Dietz is claiming, would be at least known by sports betting people in Las Vegas where Bob Dietz claims he plied his trade for 100 days a year for 40 years. Is that unreasonable?

Probably fair play to ask Kewlj why he isn't in the Blackjack Hall of Fame after 15+ years of professional blackjack though if he's going to throw the equivalent question out there.

I knew someone would bring this up. I expected it would be a coach belly type rather than you, but that's fine. There is a big difference between blackjack and the blackjack hall of Fame, involving active players and you know it. I am not aware of a single player that went into the BJ HoF, while an active advantage player making a living counting cards. Some, like Grosjean, were still doing some AP things, even for a living, but were basically retired from card counting/blackjack AP.

The relationship between card counters, and the casino industry is such, that no active player would do that. It would be the end of their career. So all waited until at least that part of their career was finished or winding down.

I am an active card counter/blackjack player, playing mostly LV. I am no fan of the BJ HoF, and don't think I will ever have an interest (nor them in me), but who knows. Maybe when I am completely done with blackjack, I will feel differently. I hope that is still 10-15 or even longer years away.

[kewlJ]

On an unrelated note, I recently watched a movie, from a decade ago, called Lay the Favorite. Bruce Willis played the part of the professional Las Vegas sports bettor. The movie is supposedly based on a true story from the perspective of the female lead character who went on to become a writer. This was her story.

We all know that liberties are often taken with "based on" stories. I am just wondering if anyone knows or has any guesses as to who the Bruce Willis character was based on?

[MDawg]

Anyone who reads even a bit of a sheet of text like that, the stuff KJ spews on a daily basis, has to have a screw loose.