Gambling addiction.

[kewlJ]

Some of the recent discussions got me thinking about gambling addiction.

On this forum we all know what advantage play and advantage players are. What about players that don't win long-term? You have your recreational type players. people that dress up a bit (less of that these days) and go out to dinner on a Saturday night and to the casinos. OR what about a retired guy or a guy and his wife that visit a casino resort for several days to gamble. We will call this guy MrX, These people, long-term losing players are not any kind of problem gamblers. They are spending some disposable income doing something they enjoy, just like someone that goes golfing several times a week or any other hobby type thing. No problem here.

Now we all, AP's and recreational gamblers alike are familiar with and encounter some problem gamblers. If you spend time in a casino, you will encounter some of these people. They are losing players, who can't really afford to lose, gambling away money needed for rent, food and other necessities. Always broke, ect. We will call this person Marsha <-

Now what about a guy, that gambles frequently, loses more than he wins, despite what he tells people, but is in no danger of going broke? I guess he could, but he has enough money that he wont. What label do we give this person? He needs the action from gambling, craves the "thrill" of wins, even if they occur less frequently than the losses. Thrives on the comps and gifts the casinos throw at him, even if his losses result in 10 times the value. Lets call this person Doug.

Is "Doug" any less a gambling addict, a degenerate gambler or any other term you want to use, because he has enough money that he probably won't lose all his money and end up homeless? He craves and needs the action, the thrill of occasional wins, ect, just like those we label gambling addict?

[MDawg]

KewlJ, you are the chief architect of the insanity, friendo.

You have unmanaged/untreated OCD. You could benefit from gambling addiction programs because there is a lot of overlap between OCD and gambling addiction, as well as their respective treatments.

[kewlJ]

Dawg, anytime you want to call it quits just let me know. I am very satisfied that I have accomplished what I set out to do, and that is make sure that everyone on both forums KNEW your claims were BS and not the way things work. I actually did that long ago. The day of the "about even" retraction actually. So I am more than satisfied.

All I am doing now, is having some fun returning fire, of your constant trolling. Trolling done because you know that I and other real players knew your claims were BS.

So any time you want to stop, just let me know. I will be happy to ignore you, if you do the same and that includes you stopping with all the silly lies. Same deal I offered you years ago at GF.

You can still tell your story, claim to win a million dollars in a single month of play while the casinos don't care. Just don't ever mention me.

Or we can continue on this path for another 5-10 years. Your choice.

BTW, did your wife leave you because you are obsessing over a gay dude on the internet 24/7? Man that is sad/sick. You are probably going to need some major meds to deal with that.

[MDawg]

Between AI automation scans of these sites I had someone set up for me and my quick brain, it takes but seconds to respond to an UNKewl (or any other) post.

He on the other hand must spend all day coming up with his repeated 10X Multipliers. The inequality is breathtaking!

[kewlJ]

Between AI automation scans of these sites I had someone set up for me and my quick brain, it takes but seconds to respond to an UNKewl (or any other) post.

He on the other hand must spend all day coming up with his repeated 10X Multipliers. The inequality is breathtaking!

No one believes this AI automation either. Just more nonsense you made up.

And there is proof of it. On occasion I post something in the middle of the night, when I know you are now awake. Maybe when home from a late night of play.

And guess what? No automated reply. I get a reply at about 5:30-6am when you wake up thinking about me.

Dawg (and I will show you the courtesy of your hip/cool spelling). YOU LOSE! Every freaking step of the way you have lost. And it was never personal with me. Your just a dude, from a forum where people write "stories" that thought he could pass his stories off on gambling forums with real players. Was NEVER going to happen. I mean you are a gambler...losing gambler, so you have a right to post your gambling experiences. But all the winning that you can't explain how and all the casinos don't care and love me. That was never going to fly!

"Fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete"

[MDawg]

Very well written summary, MDawg.

[kewlJ]

Sorry NoPayonTuesday. I know you were hoping for some sort of seize fire. I tried. Made an offer. It was rejected....Again. Maybe in a few more years?

In the mean time, I can try this. I will not initiate any discussion with MDog (like this thread). I will only respond to his trolls with trolls of my own. That is the best I can do for you.

[MDawg]

KJ and others here are going to their graves muttering unintelligibly about the Dawg.

[redietz]

Some of the recent discussions got me thinking about gambling addiction.

On this forum we all know what advantage play and advantage players are. What about players that don't win long-term? You have your recreational type players. people that dress up a bit (less of that these days) and go out to dinner on a Saturday night and to the casinos. OR what about a retired guy or a guy and his wife that visit a casino resort for several days to gamble. We will call this guy MrX, These people, long-term losing players are not any kind of problem gamblers. They are spending some disposable income doing something they enjoy, just like someone that goes golfing several times a week or any other hobby type thing. No problem here.

Now we all, AP's and recreational gamblers alike are familiar with and encounter some problem gamblers. If you spend time in a casino, you will encounter some of these people. They are losing players, who can't really afford to lose, gambling away money needed for rent, food and other necessities. Always broke, ect. We will call this person Marsha <-

Now what about a guy, that gambles frequently, loses more than he wins, despite what he tells people, but is in no danger of going broke? I guess he could, but he has enough money that he wont. What label do we give this person? He needs the action from gambling, craves the "thrill" of wins, even if they occur less frequently than the losses. Thrives on the comps and gifts the casinos throw at him, even if his losses result in 10 times the value. Lets call this person Doug.

Is "Doug" any less a gambling addict, a degenerate gambler or any other term you want to use, because he has enough money that he probably won't lose all his money and end up homeless? He craves and needs the action, the thrill of occasional wins, ect, just like those we label gambling addict?

I guess the above is what passes for sophisticated analysis on this forum from the noble "professional gambler" besotted with himself.

As I addressed in my paper at the National Conference on Gambling and Risk-Taking 40 years ago, the way a particular culture or country defines a "problem" is always a problem.

For example, the degeneracy in "gambling" may have little to do with money. Nobody in the US of A starves to death. If you loosen up your perspective a little, someone who plays blackjack "for a living" is staring at a table full of the same playing cards hour after hour, day after day, year after year, blowing the minutes and hours of their life on something that is pretty damned stultifying. Why wouldn't you do something else, anything else? Especially considering the fact that casinos can shut you down anytime with current technology. It's just a case of when they decide to implement it.

To an objective outsider, the patron who blows 10% or 20% of his annual US income gambling but only plays a few hours a week may appear significantly more sane and less addicted than the "professional blackjack player" who blows a third of his waking lifetime playing cards.

Who has more wires loose, as one poster often asks? The person who blows a tenth of his income each year donating to casinos or the person who donates a third of his waking hours sitting at a casino table so he can pay for his life?

[kewlJ]

Yeah we will all hop in our time machine and travel back 40 years to where Redietz STILL seems to reside, so we can read his paper.

But on the surface, if you can't seem to distinguish between a player playing for a living, who has made 1.6 million from card counting, over 2 million total AP, from someone wasting their life staring at a table of cards, you are an idiot, Mr Bob Dietz.

There may be some low limit players that blur that line. Maybe even myself in my first 3 years making very low 5 figures ($9600 one of the 3 years). But any player making decent money year in year out as I have is not a gambling addict. IF what I do were to dry up, I would move on to something else, either inside or outside of gambling, because I am not in it for just the thrill of gambling. Not in it for the action. I am in it to make money. Everyone has to make a living doing something. This is what I do.

And your comment about casinos shutting it down at any time, just shows a complete lack of understanding of the subject matter.

Maybe you should write a paper on THAT...how you continually talk about things you have no clue about.

[kewlJ]

Dietz, seriously, what everyone is waiting to hear from you is that you have discussed with dan Druff and settled on a date/time for the interview. Until you can tell us that....just don't talk anymore. And specifically, don't talk about stupid shit from 40 years go. No one gives a damn!

[MisterV]

As for "Doug," ask what is the difference between spending time and money on recreational gambling and other activities which cost money to participate in?

Hunting, fishing, boating, racing, hi end audio, antiques,,hasing tail, gourmet dining, drugs, booze...gambling is just another form of stimulating activity for "Doug."

My point: if it doesn't hurt ya, if you can afford it and not spin out of control then go for it.

Life is short, then you seven out.

[redietz]

As for "Doug," ask what is the difference between spending time and money on recreational gambling and other activities which cost money to participate in?

Hunting, fishing, boating, racing, hi end audio, antiques,,hasing tail, gourmet dining, drugs, booze...gambling is just another form of stimulating activity for "Doug."

My point: if it doesn't hurt ya, if you can afford it and not spin out of control then go for it.

Life is short, then you seven out.

And maybe more importantly, who is doing the judging regarding what "hurting you" is.

But you got the gist of it, which is actually based in physical anthropology and not the croaking of some alleged professional blackjack player who doesn't know his ass from anyone else's ass.

Driving a BMW and collecting 60 polo shirts (the count keeps going up) is no measure of success at anything from a biological perspective. I mention these as personal foibles, of course. Just as sitting at a card table like kewlJ for a third of one's waking hours, regardless of pay scale, could reasonably be considered involuntary servitude or masochism.

People lose money recreationally in casinos for all the non-material rewards that come with it. In fact, recreational players thrive on the recognition that comes with playing, the social aspects, and the potential for getting dates and getting laid, as anyone who has read an Ian Fleming novel will appreciate. It ain't all about the money. Never has been, never will be. Contrast that to non-social anonymous card counters who, if kewlJ is to be believed, flitter in and out of tables so they DON'T get recognized by other people.

If blowing 10 percent of your income gets you dates you never would have otherwise had because you are using conspicuous consumption and the social environment as dating leverage, who is some anonymous twit at a blackjack table (or a forum) to judge you?

The majority of resources in life are non-material. And in a culture where almost nobody starves, non-material savoir faire gets you a lot of dating/sexual bang for your buck, so to speak. That's the beauty and value of playing table games non-anonymously for higher stakes. Everyone is James Bond.

"I admire your card counting, Mr.?" is no substitute for the line "I admire your luck, Mr.?" And slinking away from the table because you're a professional card counter is no substitute for responding, "Dietz. Bob Dietz."

[Rob.Singer]

Kew is delusional--no doubts about it after reading that opening rap.

He also can't help himself from looking like an obsessed fool by bringing mdawg to bed with him every single night.

The fairy does have his problems, and it goes far beyond his inability to appreciate women.

But GIVE ME MORE!!!