Update on the KJ AP experience

[accountinquestion]

You’re going into these elaborate logic chains that aren’t ALL that different from saying you couldn’t possibly count cards for a living in Las Vegas for over a decade….

you're not bored yet with all this quoting bullshit

seriously, everybody by now has the picture - you hate KJ and you wanna ridicule everything he posts

oh wait, I almost forgot - your secondary great way to have fun is to ridicule Axel

it's really, really tired dude -

you can keep going - nobody cares anymore - everybody who pays any attention has already seen hundreds of your quotes

you have succeeded in becoming King of the Trolls - congratulations

Yep. Mdawg was a good troll before he went volume. Now he comes across like another garnabby. You gave kewl kudos for a post and it triggered him to actually add substance to a response.

[kewlJ]

You gave kewl kudos for a post and it triggered him to actually add substance to a response.

Why is that a bad thing. There are still some people here that want to talk about gambling and advantage play and some things that we do. NOT everyone wants to troll, talk and fight politics and just act like a general jackass, like you do.

[MHF]

Most religions sell eternal paradise & Buddhism sells impermanence.

What does that tell you?

Placebo effect.

[MHF]

Mdawg was a good troll before he went volume. Now he comes across like another garnabby.

Still haven't found yourself here, that it's still all about picking meaningless fights. But, thanks for the obvious compliment.

You gave kewl kudos for a post and it triggered him to actually add substance to a response.

Huh? When HalfBaked comes out of blackjack retirement, for that $100,000, a year, then his thus compliments have true meaning. Until then, it's more crap.

[accountinquestion]

You gave kewl kudos for a post and it triggered him to actually add substance to a response.

Why is that a bad thing. There are still some people here that want to talk about gambling and advantage play and some things that we do. NOT everyone wants to troll, talk and fight politics and just act like a general jackass, like you do.

You fucking phoney where in my post did I say anything about something being bad except mdawg's trolling? You're such a fucking idiot.

BTW love the use of "that we do". It is soooo important for you to be considered an AP and one of the guys.

That's is what we do .. yea well most of we don't believe most of your story

[kewlJ]

You can believe or not believe whatever you want acctinQ.

I have put out way more that enough info that any reasonable person, without some bias or agenda, should easily recognize that I know what the fuck I am talking about. If you or anyone else, based on some bias or dislike for other reasons, want to pretend otherwise...be my guest.

[redietz]

Account should know better than to cast doubt on KewlJ. In the Middle Ages, if people doubted that you could come back from the dead, they'd burn you at the stake. Not to mention instant recovery from broken arms and that kind of thing. I mean, in case anybody didn't notice, all that's missing from the KewlJ story is him carrying a cross down LV Boulevard and somebody stabbing him in the side. Or did I miss that? It's hard to keep up.

[MDawg]

Here goes the KJ fraud talking in such a simple tone about how AP works and blackjack. Just how you write about AP makes me cringe, it's almost like you never played a hand in your life. You say all the right things and explain blackjack in such a simple sense when describing the game, it's like you're speaking to a 5 year old about how counting works.

It would be expected that someone who merely reads about blackjack but doesn't play much of it would have such bland descriptions with, as almost always, not a single description of an actual hand played.

[jdaewoo]

Why isn't this retard pretending to be a high roller?

[Half Smoke]

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KJ -

there's a very brilliant guy who goes by Caraculo on blackjacktheforum.com who has devised a new and superior card counting system which is sold on the site for $100 (pretty low price)

it does involve considerable more memorization and indices

I asked this question there and got this answer - which I found to be pretty impressive:


"Hi Cacarulo:


what would be the % increase in EV in your system in a common 6 deck shoe game compared to Hi/LO_________?
maybe you already revealed that in your chart with the headings 1-12 and 1-16 - but I don't quite get it"


answer from Don: "You see the SCOREs for each system, for each spread. You form a fraction and read the percentage increases!


23.76/21.19 = 1.12. Increase is 12%.
27.84/25.04 = 1.11. Increase is 11%."


then I responded -


"thanks Don

that's a pretty healthy increase__________!!!

if you're playing for a couple days and your normal expectation in dollars is $1k you would expect $110 to $120 more

niche"


I'm curious about your opinion of it - I'm thinking you prolly already know about it - here is his initial post and Qfit's response and then the link:



"Dear All,

I am excited to share with you the birth of a revolutionary new card counting system. After growing tired of the same
old systems, I have dedicated years of research to developing a simple, yet powerful system that surpasses all known
ace-reckoned and balanced systems in terms of SCORE. In collaboration with Zenfighter, we have created a new approach
for calculating Playing Efficiency (PE) and Betting Efficiency (BE), as the existing methods were based on single deck and
less relevant plays in today’s blackjack landscape. Our focus has always been on shoes, as they are the most common
scenario in modern blackjack games.

During my research, I stumbled upon new tags with PE values that exceeded those of existing systems. I continued to push
further, conducting hundreds of simulations to compare the SCOREs of each system, ultimately discovering a groundbreaking
level-2 system that outperforms almost all commonly used systems, not only in 6D but also in 2D games. I have given the name
CAC2 to this system, and it exhibits superior performance compared to other systems such as Zen, Halves, UAPC, RPC, EBJ2, RAPC,
various level-3 and level-4 systems, and of course, all level-1 systems.

To provide a ranking based on the most common game conditions (6D, S17, DOA, DAS, SPA1, SPL3, NS, 4.5/6), I used the
top 22 indices (R22) that generate the highest SCORE for a counting system. These R22 indices are a modified version of the
well-known Catch-22 (C22) indices discussed in Don Schlesinger's book, Blackjack Attack, third edition. The only change I made
in the R22 is replacing 10vT with TTv4, which results in a better SCORE for most card counting systems.

I am thrilled to present CAC2 as a significant advancement based on much more accurate EORs than those used in the past,
which has allowed me to discover more relevant tags for modern play. Naturally, before offering the system for sale, it underwent
independent verification by renowned blackjack experts, including Norman Wattenberger. The table below was verified by him,
and the results are as follows:

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Kindly note that the tags employed in the CAC2 system are not publicly accessible. This system is exclusively sold through
Norm's website, which offers comprehensive statistics, comparisons, indices, betting ramps, and other relevant information.
If you are interested in upgrading your current counting system to a more robust one, feel free to contact Norm for pricing details.
In addition, if you acquire CAC2 and already utilize Casino Vérité (CV), Norm may provide you with a special download that includes
all the necessary indices to complement CV. For those who opt to explore this novel counting system,
I assure you that you will not be dissatisfied.

I genuinely hope that you relish this new experience.

Enjoy!
Cacarulo"


then from Norm:

"Much has occurred in the blackjack world since Dr. Edward Thorp got the ball rolling with Beat the Dealer over a half century ago; and Dr. Peter Griffin released his deep dive into the math with The Theory of Blackjack. Many researchers since have built upon the shoulders of these giants with many improvements. But, neither has the game stood still. As the game changes, it is up to the loyal opposition, the advantage players, to keep pace. Most everyone who has been in the field for a significant period knows of Cacarulo’s excellent research in the field. In this effort, the assumptions and conclusions of the past have been revisited based on the game as it exists today. Combining this new research with the advantages of far faster computers and modern computational techniques, a superior strategy is constructed, which is offered for sale here."


https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...CAC2-Enhanced)


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[MHF]

Best to use a separate count for each decision, and, ones which automatically adjust to the true count. You require also a count of every card in the deck, and, then, some, verging on a photographic memory. Which isn't that hard, for the more-dedicated, who want to spend a few years at it. Amazing how little KJ, supposedly, has thus attained after a staggering twenty.

There, I summed it up, in about four lines. Ha.

[mcap]

Garnabby, with all due respect, please swallow the nearest cyanide tablet.

[MHF]

Garnabby, with all due respect, please swallow the nearest cyanide tablet.

Might, just, take more than one, to finish off the Great Garnabby. But, for how long? Ha.

You guys are dropping like flies, from, just, standing still.

[DGenBen]

Garnabby, with all due respect, please swallow the nearest cyanide tablet.

Might, just, take more than one, to finish off the Great Garnabby. But, for how long? Ha.

You guys are dropping like flies, from, just, standing still.

It begs the question, which is scarier, no life after death, or life after death?

[redietz]

Garnabby, with all due respect, please swallow the nearest cyanide tablet.

Might, just, take more than one, to finish off the Great Garnabby. But, for how long? Ha.

You guys are dropping like flies, from, just, standing still.

It begs the question, which is scarier, no life after death, or life after death?

I'm sure it's crossed everyone's mind that participating on this forum is more an indicator of no life before death.

[DGenBen]

Might, just, take more than one, to finish off the Great Garnabby. But, for how long? Ha.

You guys are dropping like flies, from, just, standing still.

It begs the question, which is scarier, no life after death, or life after death?

I'm sure it's crossed everyone's mind that participating on this forum is more an indicator of no life before death.

Clever!, Very clever

[DGenBen]

Duplicate

[MHF]

It begs the question, which is scarier, no life after death, or life after death?

I'm sure it's crossed everyone's mind that participating on this forum is more an indicator of no life before death.

Clever!, Very clever

Remember, the "mistakes" exist as much as every one else, but, the unavoidable will happen whether we fear, or embrace it, and, so, best to do neither.

What's scariest? The universe, itself, which is optimized for corruption, terror, versus, their opposites, in the alternate universe. Guess in which we reside. (Being overly greedy is as dangerous as being overly nice, and, so, neither universe comes out ahead.)

P.S. I have to think that it's "every one's minds", given that everyone has only a collective mind.

[kewlJ]

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KJ -

there's a very brilliant guy who goes by Caraculo on blackjacktheforum.com who has devised a new and superior card counting system which is sold on the site for $100 (pretty low price)

it does involve considerable more memorization and indices

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I read and followed along the discussion about Caraculo's count at the time it was being discussed. No disrespect to Caracula or Don S, who I greatly admire, but I concluded it was just a further extension of count debates which have taken place for 30-40 years now. You can come up with a 5 or 7 level count, which on paper (simulations) show xx% improvement over hi-lo, which everything is measured against. The question becomes does that improvement or all that improvement really show up in actual play?

My view has always been that the more levels of complexity you add, the more mistakes will be made. Proponents say with enough practice you will play just as efficiently. I don't believe that. We are human beings not computers. More levels of complexity = more mistakes. And with blackjack card counting and playing with such slim margins, it only takes an extra mistake or two an hour and any increased advantage seen on paper (simulations) is gone.

My conclusion on this came from my own venture into playing a level two count, Revere Point Count, early in my career. After about half a years results (and I know that is not a large sample size), I just didn't feel like the extra effort was worth it. So I switched back to Hi-lo, which I can and do play in my sleep. What I mean by that is I can be at a table watching a game on the nearby TV monitor and glance at the table for a tiny fraction of a second and pick up the count. I am not sitting there watching every card.

And the final part of my conclusion on the matter is that Hi-lo (or simplicity), allows for expansion or add-ons and things I wouldn't be able to do as efficiently....if at all with a more complex count. The perfect example of that would be when I used to track a second and on rare occasion third table. You already are going to miss some cards so have a less than 100% accurate count. The last thing you want to do is add on to that, using a more complex count with comes with additional, even if occasional mistakes.

As far as add-ons, I side count aces on double deck, just because it is hard not to notices the aces. And in the last couple years as I have played more during busier times, which equates to slower games, I side count aces and 5's even on 6 deck games, just because there is so much extra time due to the slowness of the game.

So these different things that I do or add when conditions are right, bump up hi-lo EV/results. Not that I am not satisfied with results as is. I mean going back to tracking a second or third table, which I can't do now playing more crowded conditions and was becoming more difficult even before that because of fewer pure BJ tables, but when conditions were right, tracking a second table bumped up EV/results by an estimated 60%, because you see nearly twice as many max bet opportunities. Compare that with whatever 10, 15, even 20% increase you see from a higher, more complex count on paper(simulations).

I guess the bottom line is that for me, I am just not convinced any increase in strength translates into real life play and results. For quite a while now, I have concluded that how you play, or finding ways to play and bet that make your play more tolerated is so much more valuable that a few extra percent advantage that shows up in simulations that may or may not show up in real life play.

When the final chapter of my experiences has been written, I believe the things I have done that increased my longevity, will far out-weight playing with a so-called stronger count. I think it already has, even before the final chapter has been written.

But I appreciate the discussion and the opportunity to express my thoughts on the subject.

[DGenBen]

I'm sure it's crossed everyone's mind that participating on this forum is more an indicator of no life before death.

Clever!, Very clever

Remember, the "mistakes" exist as much as every one else, but, the unavoidable will happen whether we fear, or embrace it, and, so, best to do neither.

What's scariest? The universe, itself, which is optimized for corruption, terror, versus, their opposites, in the alternate universe. Guess in which we reside. (Being overly greedy is as dangerous as being overly nice, and, so, neither universe comes out ahead.)

P.S. I have to think that it's "every one's minds", given that everyone has only a collective mind.

Why should we neither fear nor embrace the unavoidable?

If it’s unavoidable isn’t it best to embrace it?