Originally Posted by MHF View Post
Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
No order could mean:

Absence of any structure (pure nothingness)

Or a neutral state, like before structure or entropy emerges

Disorder implies:

There was some order, and it became jumbled. Or that systems have randomness or entropy

So:

No order ≠ disorder, though they’re often lumped together.
No order = not yet any rules

Disorder = rules were broken or randomness took over

Think: a blank page (no order) vs a page with scribbles (disorder)

And besides disorder there is also datorder which is the udda order.
Yep.

The opposite of order is disorder, the latter which is the same as not order.

And, the opposite of the these, as order versus disorder, is no order versus all orders.

No, as a word, goes with zero, but, not, as a word, goes with opposite.

Isn't neutrality a type of order, or definition?
Yes, neutrality can be a type of order.

It implies balance, non-preference, or defined non-alignment.

Neutrality isn’t void or nothing—it’s a deliberate configuration.

So even a neutral “nothing” can be a kind of something—defined by the frame in which it exists.