Update on the KJ AP experience

[kewlJ]

Other than that, nobody has said they benefitted from your posts.

Dietz, this is a forum with maybe 20 members, about 10 which actively participate. Of that group, maybe two besides myself (zenking, jbjb) do or have done a lot of card counting in recent years. A couple more like axelwolf and Kim Lee did years ago. So no I wouldn't expect a flock of people thanking me. And it is not what I am about. I have had some people express appreciation, both publicly and privately on other forums though, at least one that you were a member at.

If you need me to direct you to such a place, go to the written interview (Q & A) that Mission 146 conducted with me at WoV 10 years ago and read the comments after the interview concluded. Multiple comments thanking me and expressing appreciation, not that, that is what it was about for me. Or you can just continue to spew lies and make up shit, ala Singer and dawg to suit your own agenda.

[kewlJ]

Just STOP being such a troll Dietz, ala Singer, dawg, Belly and the likes. Stop hating on real players (not just me) that actually took the risks, lived the life and made decent money in the world of AP/gambling.

Embrace what you are or were. A guy that likes to gamble, particularly on sports, who made money as a tout selling picks. Nothing wrong with that! Just not what your claim was all these years.

Really the only advantage play I have seen out of you, is managing to get involved with several woman more successful than you and somehow sweet talking or conning or whatever you do, to get one and now I guess a second to buy you a house. Outside of the gambling world that would be considered a pretty successful con/AP play. So congrats to you I guess.

[kewlJ]

Now for the bigger issue. You trolls and haters have completely destroyed this forum. It has absolutely zero value now. I tried to warn Druff that is the path he was allowing this forum to go down. It is now NOTHING but a troll forum, exception mickeycrimm, who tries to add value. When I am not here or don't post for a few days, the forum is dead. Absolutely nothing. Only when I am a little active do the trolls/haters that add not a damn thing come out of the wood work.

It didn't have to be this way Dan Druff. You can have a forum that is a little free-er, with free speech, but doesn't devolve to nothing but a troll forum with absolutely no value. When people on other forums refer to your forum as "the urinal" or "the sewer" is that really something you are proud of?

A number of years ago, when banning Blackhole, Druff said something to the effect that he does nothing but troll, contributes nothing positive. Ok, then why the double standard with people like Singer, Dawg, belly. Singer on occasion adds something useful. Probably made up or not true (or stolen from other players like the double up bug), but occasionally, very occasionally, something somewhat useful.

Dawg and Belly....NEVER. Dawg used to share some gambling experiences. Almost all of it bullshit, like spreading 1-100 at Double deck at the sweatiest casino on the strip for 10 hours and all the winning, while leaving out any mention of losing days/session, but at least it was something. Now all he does is troll. 100% trolling, using quotes taken out of context that many of the people he is quoting have asked him to stop doing. That is now what passes for traffic and activity on this forum.

[kewlJ]

Other than that, nobody has said they benefitted from your posts.

In the time I have been on this forum, there are 6-8, maybe as many as 10 players from the blackjack wing of advantage play that have come to this forum because I was here. MidwestPlayer, Bosox, Kim Lee, one online friend who doesn't even want me to say his handle anymore on this forum. Most of these players didn't last long. Kim Lee is on his second stint, for however long he can tolerate it. Even someone like moses came here because of me. He had bad intentions, but he was a real player (to some degree) that came here because of me. add-on: BillyRyan from WoV (shadroch to me), didn't stay here long, but came here because I was here I believe.

So tell me Dietz, who came here or put any value in anything you have stated? So what have YOU brought to this forum Dietz, other than a claim that you were the second coming of Billy Waters for 40 years, which completely fell apart once people began to really take a look?

Name me one person that appreciates, has benefited from and has thanked Bob Dietz?

[mickeycrimm]

The only two permanent card counters in Las Vegas, sharing a high rise condo over the strip, brothers, roommates, betting sports for a laugh, discovering machine glitches, taking the odd trip to LA for some surf and sun.

It's a great pitch, although the setup might start to seem a bit far fetched by the 20th season.

Outstanding opportunity for gay or straight threesomes on the LV strip.

Betting 30 or 40 or 50 plays a day on boutique sports sites to work off generous bonuses while flying under the radar, then switching to another name/account and keeping on keeping on.

Outlasting the Munchkins of the world by being young (ish), hip, and ahead of the curve.

I'll stick with my original theory -- Time Lords who change appearances (and players' cards) upon death, and the poor sap pit bosses never catch on. You'd think the clothes might give them away, but hell, there's a hack for that. If they keep dying, and putting each other on the insurance, they can afford brand spanking new wardrobes after each "death."

Sounds like a plan.

You know, at some point, real people meet each other. The strip is really a claustrophobic place for those of us who have wagered there. It was different back when there were 35 companies actually competing as separate entities against each other. Now it's just a handful of companies, and they all have facial recognition software. Speaking of which, Blackhat is August 2-7, which may explain the Tuscany room rates I listed elsewhere.

Redietz, how about you getting a report from Munchkin on his ongoing sports betting multi accounting and letting us know how it is going.

[kewlJ]

Redietz, how about you getting a report from Munchkin on his ongoing sports betting multi accounting and letting us know how it is going.

That is right. I almost forgot the super sports bettor Bob Dietz is against multi accounts at online sports books. What did he call it. something like stealing from friends and family members despite that there is no chance they would ever use it.

Multiple accounts is one of the ways players can get around sports books cutting them off because there is a black & white record of their play. It isn't something I have done much of yet, but I have the option should I decide.

That Dietz doesn't seem to get this is just further proof to me that he must not be making much/any money with actual sports betting. Like I said earlier, if you are constantly winning, they won't want your action. And if you are a valued customer for 10-20 years like Dietz claims, then you probably aren't winning, or if you are it is amounts they just don't care much about.

Same goes for that narcistic Dawg person at the B & M casinos. If you are playing rated (with a black & white record of your results) they just aren't going to allow a player to play like he claims. Since he apparently has played for so long and been allowed to play for so long, then he isn't winning like he claims. Simple as THAT! Anybody claiming differently doesn't know how this industry works.

[theywontpayontuesday]

I tell you what KJ, your story about fooling around with straight guys, well of course they weren't straight. I would never let any guy suck me off, because Im straight. I would have to be deceived or be offered a ridiculous amount of money just to be tempted. 10 million at least. Apples to apples, I'd kill for money a lot less and then even then would probably not for moral reasons.

[kewlJ]

I tell you what KJ, your story about fooling around with straight guys, well of course they weren't straight. I would never let any guy suck me off, because Im straight. I would have to be deceived or be offered a ridiculous amount of money just to be tempted. 10 million at least. Apples to apples, I'd kill for money a lot less and then even then would probably not for moral reasons.

Don't get yourself all worked up by that little anecdote, that occurred almost a quarter century ago now, when I was 20 and the guys mentioned were 20, 21, 22. I don't know how old you are NoPayTuesdays, but guys now a days, and even 20 years ago when this happened don't all put labels on things like most of the older folks here do. A 20 year old half drunk frat boy will get, even pursue a blow bob by a dude, without giving it much thought. Doesn't necessarily mean he is gay or not gay or anything. Means he is/was a horny 20 year half drunk dude.

Again, I don't know your particular age range, but most of the guys here, are a generation older than me, and most pretty homophobic. Not at all representative of most of society. So sometimes I mention these little stories just to watch them flip their homophobic wigs.

[MDawg]

The reason he posts so much is because he never feels as if his lies are getting across to anyone, and that bothers him. Someone who lives such a concocted virtual life on internet gaming forums just CANNOT have that

[kewlJ]

I can't see what this troll person "Dawg" posts anymore. Surely (don't call me Shirley) his same old troll shit.

But here is a fascinating fact. This person has given himself the hip handle dawg (with the hip spelling of it). What are Dogs known for. Licking other dog's asses and eating shit (literally). Perfect choice of handle, flea brain.

[MDawg]

You are so full of shit. Trying to divert things away from your history of lying just to create some warped concocted online gaming forum image of yourself is as cheap as the two-bit life you really lead and have been caught fabricating about.

Grow up.

[Rob.Singer]

This is funny. Kew says that the only time this forum is busy is when he posts.....and most of those posts are HIS! When he takes his make-believe trips, he says the forum's dead.

His generation sure is sharp. We need more of his insight. And just IMAGINE the level of articulate discussion we'd be involved in if his "college educated" baby bro ever decided to slip out of the rabbit hole....

[DGenBen]

I tell you what KJ, your story about fooling around with straight guys, well of course they weren't straight. I would never let any guy suck me off, because Im straight. I would have to be deceived or be offered a ridiculous amount of money just to be tempted. 10 million at least. Apples to apples, I'd kill for money a lot less and then even then would probably not for moral reasons.

What if somebody only offered $9 Million but they threw in a finger up the ass too?

[mickeycrimm]

When asked why he hasn’t been banned from the sportsbooks redietz said the secret is covered in Munchkin’s book, Gambling Wizards. Well, guess who was interviewed in that book. Billy Walters. Walters said the secret to not getting banned is to consistently lose. He said in 95% of books you can lose for years and stay in good graces but once you start consistently winning they will get rid of you.

So that is how redietz has stayed in good graces with the books.

[kewlJ]

So that is how redietz has stayed in good graces with the books.

Well maybe someone can ask redietz when he is interviewed how he stayed under the radar and in good graces for several decades.

Oh wait, that interview is never going to happen, so I guess not.

[MDawg]

Keep in mind too that UNKewlJ knows that his continued presence, assuming he even plays blackjack at all, which we now know he plays only a bit as cover for his sugar daddy ploys (ploys, not plays), on these forums is anathema to his being able to fly under the radar in casinos as either a blackjack player or male prostitute, and yet he keeps coming back for more abuse here and at other forums. So how can you reconcile that stubbornness and refusal to do what is good for him, with someone who would just let a great insult and injury like this go unanswered?

No one would put it past an inveterate liar like UNKewlJ to have been involved in a clumsy road bike accident and hurt his arm and then gone around claiming that he fractured his arm in a casino. If any of this story is even true in the first place, and didn't all happen to other people UNKewlJ has heard of, and not to UNKewlJ himself, which of course we know by now that the entire UNKewl backrooming incident was fabricated.

[redietz]

When asked why he hasn’t been banned from the sportsbooks redietz said the secret is covered in Munchkin’s book, Gambling Wizards. Well, guess who was interviewed in that book. Billy Walters. Walters said the secret to not getting banned is to consistently lose. He said in 95% of books you can lose for years and stay in good graces but once you start consistently winning they will get rid of you.

So that is how redietz has stayed in good graces with the books.

You don't read very well, but not all of us do.

1) It would be odd for someone to have documented third-parties recording your winning ATS record every year for decades, and yet you are supposed to be a loser. As opposed to someone tooling around the country, allegedly winning at this and that, and oh yeah -- trust him because even though there are no records and no witnesses, alcoholic hobos are known for telling the God's honest truth about their gambling. Just trying to put things in historical context here, mickey. How did Munchkin verify your tales again?
2) It would be odd for Mr. Walters to hire a loser as a consultant -- LOL -- I guess he wanted to learn how to lose.
3) It would be odd for someone to be told that the reasons a winning ATS player can keep betting are obvious and stated pretty clearly in a book, and that person somehow cannot find it. But again, reading can be work, and finding something you don't want to find can be real work, so I understand not finding the appropriate quote.

Don't worry, though, Mr. Crimm, I wrote it down for you. God bless you.

[kewlJ]

2) It would be odd for Mr. Walters to hire a loser as a consultant -- LOL -- I guess he wanted to learn how to lose.

This is typical Bob Dietz bullshit.

So if Walters hired you as a "consultant" and you were such an asset to his organization, can you provide us with some bullshit explanation as to why he would let such an asset go after a very short time?

Fact is you were a nothing to him. A runner for a short time. I am relatively certain if someone mentioned your name he would respond "who?" Billy Walters was a very successful sports bettor, betting and making millions of dollars. Dietz, you are NOT Billy Walters. You can't even pay a $500 tax bill. So stop with this bullshit of trying to associate or tie yourself to Billy Walters.

[kewlJ]

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. As opposed to someone tooling around the country, allegedly winning at this and that, and oh yeah -- trust him because even though there are no records and no witnesses, alcoholic hobos are known for telling the God's honest truth about their gambling. Just trying to put things in historical context here, mickey.

You want historical context Dietz. How about this. YOU are a tout! A tout is a shyster type salesman who will say and do anything to make his sale.

You told us you were a professional sports bettor for 40 years and had the documents (publications with contests) to prove it. And then someone came along, someone that you talked up as an expert, Kim Lee, and after studying the very documentation you claimed, concluded that you might have broken even betting sports.

THERE is your historical context Dietz!

[mickeycrimm]

When asked why he hasn’t been banned from the sportsbooks redietz said the secret is covered in Munchkin’s book, Gambling Wizards. Well, guess who was interviewed in that book. Billy Walters. Walters said the secret to not getting banned is to consistently lose. He said in 95% of books you can lose for years and stay in good graces but once you start consistently winning they will get rid of you.

So that is how redietz has stayed in good graces with the books.

You don't read very well, but not all of us do.

1) It would be odd for someone to have documented third-parties recording your winning ATS record every year for decades, and yet you are supposed to be a loser. As opposed to someone tooling around the country, allegedly winning at this and that, and oh yeah -- trust him because even though there are no records and no witnesses, alcoholic hobos are known for telling the God's honest truth about their gambling. Just trying to put things in historical context here, mickey. How did Munchkin verify your tales again?
2) It would be odd for Mr. Walters to hire a loser as a consultant -- LOL -- I guess he wanted to learn how to lose.
3) It would be odd for someone to be told that the reasons a winning ATS player can keep betting are obvious and stated pretty clearly in a book, and that person somehow cannot find it. But again, reading can be work, and finding something you don't want to find can be real work, so I understand not finding the appropriate quote.

Don't worry, though, Mr. Crimm, I wrote it down for you. God bless you.

That was the other 5% and you know it. Who are the “Bob Martins” around today? And even long ago there weren’t many around like him. You know damn well Walters was condemning the books for not having the talent to operate like Martin did. The fact remains that all noted sports bettors have complained about getting banned from books. But not you. Why?

PS For those that dont know, the reason some very smarts bookies like Martin allowed sharp action was to gain information.