Call-In Report for 6/27 -- Coach Belly in the House

[redietz]

. And will report on next week's schedule Tuesday at 9 AM. May field calls from the Hard Rock in Bristol for an hour one of those days. I realize that slots are a demanding mistress, but hoping to get mickey and kewlJ to find time to call in.

This is a weird fucking dude. Now he is going to take calls at a destination?

Shades of about a year ago when he was writing some kind of gambling book and held a media event at the Johnson City book club that he invited media to.

as funny as this shit is...and no you can't make it up, there is a word for this shit.....delusional.

Remember when he was in Las Vegas and would announce he was going to be somewhere, a coffee shop downtown or South Point buffet at a certain time and invited people to stop by and meet him....and no one did? How does someone get to this point? Just sad really.

I feel I must correct the KewlJ here. It's not my job, but he gets so many basic things purposefully wrong while using language softening the lying by not being precise or specific. The technique gets old, especially when he could look up the specifics with a simple search.

First the correction. The Johnson City Book Club event was, as kewlJ well knows, not about anything I wrote but about Billy Walters' book, Gambler. Since I had worked for Mr. Walters, I was chosen as co-chair for that particular book. The other co-chair was someone who helmed a large sports gambling cartel in Las Vegas concurrent with Walters' Computer Group. Between us, we covered the topic and the book pretty well.

Now, to more on kewlJ. Anyone in law enforcement who has conducted interviews will recognize kewlJ's style. He persistently writes with a purposeful lack of detail and specifics, relying to make his points on gross generalizations unanchored to any real events. It's classic and obvious. Why do people avoid details? Because details pin them down as being data points they must defend and that can be referred back to specifically. So if you are bullshitting, you avoid actual details. For example, "Was writing some kind of gambling book" in his post above is obvious for its (1) lack of specifics because it (2) is completely wrong. Now how does someone decide to refer to a historical event (a book club meeting) out of the blue but manage to purposefully get the topic of the meeting completely wrong? The answer, of course, is that is his intention. Many of kewlJ's posts have this blaring bullshit red alert style. He tries to evade responsibility for (1) being completely wrong but (2) bringing it up anyway through (3) his off-the-cuff informal style, which is just a cover excuse for his (1) being completely wrong and (2) bringing it up anyway.

Any kind of simple analysis of kewlJ's posts reveals this planned, completely dishonest presentation. He's too cool to check details, after all, too busy, too relaxed, but he'll spout them anyway because it's not his fault he's dead wrong. He does this stuff repeatedly. If he gets taken to the Singer woodshed, he then ignores the fact he got caught with his logical pants down. It'll be interesting to see what malarkey he writes to justify writing about a book club meeting and completely misrepresenting what I was doing there, what the topic was, and basically got everything wrong, evidently on purpose.

Let's guess his response. Oh, he was too busy to check. Then why post? Oh, he just didn't remember. Then why post? Oh, he got everything wrong, but his point was good. LOL.

Classic kewlJ. He bullshits, gets caught bullshitting, then makes up some excuses for why he lied. That's how you manage to come back from the dead, get your arm broken at South Point, have Nersesian on speed dial, and so on. The truth and kewlJ are very rarely in the same room.

And MDawg, quote me on that.

[kewlJ]

More goofy delusional Bob Dietz. You were co-chair and promoting a book by Billy Walters? On who's authority? And because you worked for him? If you have some associate with Walters, get him on the phone and get him over here to the forum and I'll bet Dan Druff will be eager to have him on a podcast and we can get to the bottom of the ever expanding Bob Dietz delusions.

Until then, enough of this nonsense. I am done being drug into Bob Dietz's fantasy world and delusions. And time to make the donuts. I have work to get to.

And Dietz, I gave you this one-time reprieve, which you wasted, back in the dungeon you go with Dawg, Singer and Belly. The 4 of you can have a good old time in there trying to one up one another with your fantasy claims.

[kewlJ]

3 of the worlds greatest gamblers, Singer, Dietz and Dawg.

A guy spending his retirement living off his kids (because he gambled away most of the money he had)

A guy living off girlfriends and wives while he was a sports betting "tout"

And a dude living off family money, while he loses at the casinos and is comped accordingly (according to the losing player he is)

The world's greatest gamblers. Munch should write another book about these 3.

[Ray Finkle]

So where is this call in number?
I missed it....

Edit: Found it

[Ray Finkle]

As for KJ calling you, if I were sitting in prison, in solitary confinement, and had nothing to do for entertainment other than watch paint peel, I would decline the offer by the guards to bring a phone in to call Bob Dietz.

Well yeah.
I mean you're an Internet Troll.
Of course you can't talk to anyone in real life, you'd be exposed for what you are....

[mickeycrimm]

So where is this call in number?
I missed it....

Edit: Found it

Ask redietz to explain fractional kelly betting.

[MDawg]

KJ and others here are going to their graves muttering unintelligibly about the Dawg.

[redietz]

3 of the worlds greatest gamblers, Singer, Dietz and Dawg.

A guy spending his retirement living off his kids (because he gambled away most of the money he had)

A guy living off girlfriends and wives while he was a sports betting "tout"

And a dude living off family money, while he loses at the casinos and is comped accordingly (according to the losing player he is)

The world's greatest gamblers. Munch should write another book about these 3.

Well, all I can say is that I appreciate my wife supporting me after dying in 2002. Like Houdini, I have tried to debunk mediumship all of my adult life, but if kewlJ says it's so, it must be correct.

You gotta love his accuracy. It kind of highlights the mathematical difference between precision and accuracy. For those APs who are a bit rusty, go look it up. LOL. KewlJ is very precise in what he says about other people. Accuracy? Not so much.

And kewlJ, my comic books are worth more than your house. I'm not even counting the rest of the library.

[redietz]

So where is this call in number?
I missed it....

Edit: Found it

Ray, you are more than welcome to call in next time. I will figure out some calling brackets for next week and announce them Tuesday at 9 AM eastern. If you would like to discuss something specific, I can probably give you a better answer if you let me know in advance by posting here or sending an email to IntegritySports@aol.com. It's not required. I'll try to wing it as best I can. The thing is, unlike some Leonardo Da APs, I have no issue publicly saying I don't know diddly about something if that's the case. Like Clint says in Magnum Force, "A man's GOT to know his limitations."




Words to live by. I like to think that one of my strengths that's kept me out of gambling trouble is that I know what I do not know. And that takes some skill.

[redietz]

I just want to point out that the poster(s) known as kewlJ use certain obvious rhetorical devices over and over, reflexively. For example, he'll post something false. someone will clearly correct him while pointing out that he is either incorrect or lying, and then he will drop that particular reference or comment for about 10 minutes. At some point down the road, he will return to the same incorrect or lying comment, and then wait to see if he's corrected again because if he's not, he thinks he's won.

He also has started lumping me, Singer, and MDawg together for arguments' sake. Now MDawg, Singer, and myself are about as different as three human beings could be, but KewlJ has decided the way to debunk me is to lump us together, make some generalized remarks that apply to the three of us, and that becomes the gist of his argument versus me specifically. That may work for fourth grade debate team (or freshman year at Villanova), but it doesn't fly.

Really, the only things MDawg, Singer, and I have in common are that, outside of maybe Axelwolf, we've (1) spent the most time in Las Vegas doing actual heavy duty gambling and (2) we think kewlJ is a bullshitter. I don't think it's a coincidence that the three people with the most LV experience (outside of Axelwolf) have come to the same conclusion regarding a poster who claims he's a professional card counter in LV. And -- wait for it -- Axelwolf more or less thinks the same thing. So we appear to have a clean sweep regarding the four posters who have spent the most time in LV. Now does that prove that kewlJ is making it all up? Well, no it does not, but it suggests he doesn't make any sense to the people who have spent the most time in LV.

All of this is obvious if you put two and two together. I don't mind being lumped with MDawg and Singer because at least they really gamble in Las Vegas and for significant sums.

[Rob.Singer]

3 of the worlds greatest gamblers, Singer, Dietz and Dawg.

A guy spending his retirement living off his kids (because he gambled away most of the money he had)

A guy living off girlfriends and wives while he was a sports betting "tout"

And a dude living off family money, while he loses at the casinos and is comped accordingly (according to the losing player he is)

The world's greatest gamblers. Munch should write another book about these 3.

Well, all I can say is that I appreciate my wife supporting me after dying in 2002. Like Houdini, I have tried to debunk mediumship all of my adult life, but if kewlJ says it's so, it must be correct.

You gotta love his accuracy. It kind of highlights the mathematical difference between precision and accuracy. For those APs who are a bit rusty, go look it up. LOL. KewlJ is very precise in what he says about other people. Accuracy? Not so much.

And kewlJ, my comic books are worth more than your house. I'm not even counting the rest of the library.

It's really a simple explanation for kew's ignorance and silliness. Anyone who has him pegged and has publicly shamed him--which is a MAJOR SIN to him since it crumbles his concocted online life--kew automatically uses lies about those folks as a mechanism to deal with the fallout.

I don't understand his convoluted claim about redietz, but his mdawg lie stems from his obvious ongoing envy of dawg's LV and overall luxurious lifestyle because he has and/or comes from money, and he's able to be far far more entrenched in living the LV life than kew could ever dream about. And about me? I like how he wants to think anyone's working children who are raising families of their own would buy their parents new cars, homes, and finance their cross country travels and months-long Lake Tahoe area stays every summer.

Too bad kew's life is too twisted to have had kids.

[kewlJ]

Well, all I can say is that I appreciate my wife supporting me after dying in 2002. Like Houdini, I have tried to debunk mediumship all of my adult life, but if kewlJ says it's so, it must be correct.

I confess, I unblocked Dietz to read this post. Since the conversation is still ongoing, I wanted to see what he had to say this morning. And it was a doozie!

NOBODY said Dietz wife supported him after she died. Mostly what was talked about has been Dietz and his "touting" during the 1980's and 1990's. THAT is the period Kim Lee concluded that dietz, may have survived and broken about even if he had someone basically supporting him. And what do you know, Kim Lee hit the nail on the head.

BUT, since Dietz himself brought it up, you can make the case that she supported him after her death as well. When she died Dietz inherited or came into possession of both the house she had bought and probably a decent chunk of money from earned at here career as a professor. But I didn't go there....he did.

[kewlJ]

Really, the only things MDawg, Singer, and I have in common are that, outside of maybe Axelwolf, we've (1) spent the most time in Las Vegas doing actual heavy duty gambling and (2) we think kewlJ is a bullshitter. I don't think it's a coincidence that the three people with the most LV experience (outside of Axelwolf) have come to the same conclusion regarding a poster who claims he's a professional card counter in LV. And -- wait for it -- Axelwolf more or less thinks the same thing. So we appear to have a clean sweep regarding the four posters who have spent the most time in LV. Now does that prove that kewlJ is making it all up? Well, no it does not, but it suggests he doesn't make any sense to the people who have spent the most time in LV.

Wrong. First, I have no knowledge of Singer spending much time in Vegas. He didn't live there that I know of did he? (if so way before my time). IIRC, Singer did live in Pahrump in a trailer park, at a time he claimed he was making millions from the Double up play he stole. Neither Dietz, nor Dawg live in Vegas either. Both just spend time in Vegas while they are gambling. Big deal.

You also forgot about Alan, who lived in Vegas for his final years. I do challenge Alan's 18 y.o. in a row claim, but that was made before he lived in Vegas.

But there are numerous players and members on this forum that have lived in Vegas or spent a lot of time, As mentioned, Axelwolf. Also Zenking for the last 10 years. Also, what about mickeycrimm, you left him off your list. He obviously spent a lot of time in Las Vegas. How about site owner Dan Druff. Sounds like he lives mostly in California, but his Wiki page (Red is big on wiki) lists Druff's residence as Las Vegas. Either way, he spends a lot of time there.

I didn't challenge any of these people's stories or claims because none defy math or say things that just aren't the way things work in the casino industry. So NOT some sort of territorial thing about living in Las Vegas.

So this too, falls flat, Dietz. My issue with the three of you, you Singer, Dawg isn't about living or spending time in Las Vegas. It isn't jealous of anybody's gambling. I have made more than all of you gambling I am quite sure. It is simply your gambling claims don't work, one way or another. But nice try.

[Rob.Singer]

This is the how and why kew is compelled to lie so much. In a quick review of his latest post here, I immediately spotted several untruths about mdawg and red, which are neither here nor there for me.

But there's little doubt why he does it...in just the same manner why he can't help himself making up stuff about me---and he never even gets the baselines right.

We got our 1st Class A rv in 2011, when we started a 5-yr. stint at being full-tìmers. We chose to move to an RV park in Pahrump for the first 8 months THAT YEAR to get used to the 38' rig and the lifestyle. I discovered and played the DU bug FROM EARLY 2004 TO MID-2009. Kew can never and has never gotten any of his lies about me straight, which is why anything he claims about others cannot be taken seriously.

We upgraded to the 45' Newell after we knew what we were doing. No, not the one I tried to spoof folks with at a storage facility near us in Deer Valley....and yes, the one I eventually sold to a Prescott resident--and not an Israeli guy that kew likes to lie about. And this is the same Newell I posted pics of in Auto Trader, where they require proof of ownership before posting anything 6-figure and up for sale. It's also illegal per federal law to post any private vehicle for sale without their consent that is not owned by the seller.

We never see kew or anyone else talk about this (probably because its too painful-- just ask the slant)....nor of how he and max vowed to come to Phoenix as soon as I posted an address of where it was for sale--which I did, and they immediately ran like scaredy-cats for their little safe spaces.

I love making the little fairy look stupid, almost as much as I enjoy having won millions at vp over the years while he struggles to live as a losing gambler in LV who's just another blackjack junkie & addict!

Hi kew!! psst....don't blow your cover over this

[MDawg]

I don't give a shit about what Robert Argentino did for a living and/or what money (if any he has in retirement). You will never find me talking about any of that.

Years ago, I think at WoV, Singer mentioned two different colleges that he attended. Not really important. Well not until he started talking about courses in probability and statistics as some kind of quasi-support of his claims. So just out of curiosity I contacted both Universities mentioned. One never had a Robert Argentino and the other didn't release that information. I suppose I could have pursued further contacting some alumni groups, but why bother.

I don't give a shit about what Robert Argentino did for a living and/or what money (if any he has in retirement). You will never find me talking about any of that.

Robert Argentinos financial info shows no property owned, no houses bought for kids, no Million Dollar Newell. So why has anybody gone along with this nonsense for 20 years now?

Rob is a retired guy living off his social security and retirement income. It is anybody's guess if it is anywhere close to the comfortable amounts he claims. Financial information doesn't show that, but who knows.

I don't give a shit about what Robert Argentino did for a living and/or what money (if any he has in retirement). You will never find me talking about any of that.

You know those different sites that you type in a person's name and a little bit of information, like address and they give an estimate of the person's net worth? They can be off by a bit, but they usually are pretty spot on. Every single one of these sites lists Robert Argentino as 50K and below, which happens to be the lowest category. Every single one!

I don't give a shit about what Robert Argentino did for a living and/or what money (if any he has in retirement). You will never find me talking about any of that.

As for the real Robert Argentino, anyone interested can look him up for themselves. There is a lot of financial information available.

I don't give a shit about what Robert Argentino did for a living and/or what money (if any he has in retirement). You will never find me talking about any of that.

Robert Argentino did not do any of the things portrayed by the character Rob Singer. I KewlJ on the other hand always tell the truth.

I don't give a shit about what Robert Argentino did for a living and/or what money (if any he has in retirement). You will never find me talking about any of that.

And the other thing. His son is drunk, too drunk to drive home at 10am in the morning. This Argentino clan is just what most of us expected. Like something you would see on Jerry Springer.

I don't give a shit about what Robert Argentino did for a living and/or what money (if any he has in retirement). You will never find me talking about any of that.

looked up the character Rob Singer’s property ownership records and his bankruptcy spent a lot of time doing that, and have looked into it many times. I believe he lives with his children owns nothing. Collected food stamps. I have the proof of all this but I can’t post it.

People have a problem with you primarily because you’re as big of a self righteous hypocrite as there is in this world.

You are too serious.
You lie too much.
You don't get the jokes.
You are the Joke!

[DGenBen]

This is the how and why kew is compelled to lie so much. In a quick review of his latest post here, I immediately spotted several untruths about mdawg and red, which are neither here nor there for me.

But there's little doubt why he does it...in just the same manner why he can't help himself making up stuff about me---and he never even gets the baselines right.

We got our 1st Class A rv in 2011, when we started a 5-yr. stint at being full-tìmers. We chose to move to an RV park in Pahrump for the first 8 months THAT YEAR to get used to the 38' rig and the lifestyle. I discovered and played the DU bug FROM EARLY 2004 TO MID-2009. Kew can never and has never gotten any of his lies about me straight, which is why anything he claims about others cannot be taken seriously.

We upgraded to the 45' Newell after we knew what we were doing. No, not the one I tried to spoof folks with at a storage facility near us in Deer Valley....and yes, the one I eventually sold to a Prescott resident--and not an Israeli guy that kew likes to lie about. And this is the same Newell I posted pics of in Auto Trader, where they require proof of ownership before posting anything 6-figure and up for sale. It's also illegal per federal law to post any private vehicle for sale without their consent that is not owned by the seller.

We never see kew or anyone else talk about this (probably because its too painful-- just ask the slant)....nor of how he and max vowed to come to Phoenix as soon as I posted an address of where it was for sale--which I did, and they immediately ran like scaredy-cats for their little safe spaces.

I love making the little fairy look stupid, almost as much as I enjoy having won millions at vp over the years while he struggles to live as a losing gambler in LV who's just another blackjack junkie & addict!

Hi kew!! psst....don't blow your cover over this

I wanted a cheaper motor home so I was calling RV dealers for Class C motorhomes, which I thought tended to be the cheapest.

But strangely every time I asked for a Class C motorhome they tended to be the fanciest, have the most options, and be the most expensive

[mickeycrimm]

I feel I must correct the KewlJ here. It's not my job, but he gets so many basic things purposefully wrong while using language softening the lying by not being precise or specific. The technique gets old, especially when he could look up the specifics with a simple search.

First the correction. The Johnson City Book Club event was, as kewlJ well knows, not about anything I wrote but about Billy Walters' book, Gambler. Since I had worked for Mr. Walters, I was chosen as co-chair for that particular book. The other co-chair was someone who helmed a large sports gambling cartel in Las Vegas concurrent with Walters' Computer Group. Between us, we covered the topic and the book pretty well.

Now, to more on kewlJ. Anyone in law enforcement who has conducted interviews will recognize kewlJ's style. He persistently writes with a purposeful lack of detail and specifics, relying to make his points on gross generalizations unanchored to any real events. It's classic and obvious. Why do people avoid details? Because details pin them down as being data points they must defend and that can be referred back to specifically. So if you are bullshitting, you avoid actual details. For example, "Was writing some kind of gambling book" in his post above is obvious for its (1) lack of specifics because it (2) is completely wrong. Now how does someone decide to refer to a historical event (a book club meeting) out of the blue but manage to purposefully get the topic of the meeting completely wrong? The answer, of course, is that is his intention. Many of kewlJ's posts have this blaring bullshit red alert style. He tries to evade responsibility for (1) being completely wrong but (2) bringing it up anyway through (3) his off-the-cuff informal style, which is just a cover excuse for his (1) being completely wrong and (2) bringing it up anyway.

Any kind of simple analysis of kewlJ's posts reveals this planned, completely dishonest presentation. He's too cool to check details, after all, too busy, too relaxed, but he'll spout them anyway because it's not his fault he's dead wrong. He does this stuff repeatedly. If he gets taken to the Singer woodshed, he then ignores the fact he got caught with his logical pants down. It'll be interesting to see what malarkey he writes to justify writing about a book club meeting and completely misrepresenting what I was doing there, what the topic was, and basically got everything wrong, evidently on purpose.

Let's guess his response. Oh, he was too busy to check. Then why post? Oh, he just didn't remember. Then why post? Oh, he got everything wrong, but his point was good. LOL.

Classic kewlJ. He bullshits, gets caught bullshitting, then makes up some excuses for why he lied. That's how you manage to come back from the dead, get your arm broken at South Point, have Nersesian on speed dial, and so on. The truth and kewlJ are very rarely in the same room.

And MDawg, quote me on that.

You get pissed when someone makes comments on things not in their field of expertise. So law enforcement interrogation techniques are not in your field of expertise. Practice what you preach.

[AxelWolf]

This is the how and why kew is compelled to lie so much. In a quick review of his latest post here, I immediately spotted several untruths about mdawg and red, which are neither here nor there for me.

But there's little doubt why he does it...in just the same manner why he can't help himself making up stuff about me---and he never even gets the baselines right.

We got our 1st Class A rv in 2011, when we started a 5-yr. stint at being full-tìmers. We chose to move to an RV park in Pahrump for the first 8 months THAT YEAR to get used to the 38' rig and the lifestyle. I discovered and played the DU bug FROM EARLY 2004 TO MID-2009. Kew can never and has never gotten any of his lies about me straight, which is why anything he claims about others cannot be taken seriously.

We upgraded to the 45' Newell after we knew what we were doing. No, not the one I tried to spoof folks with at a storage facility near us in Deer Valley....and yes, the one I eventually sold to a Prescott resident--and not an Israeli guy that kew likes to lie about. And this is the same Newell I posted pics of in Auto Trader, where they require proof of ownership before posting anything 6-figure and up for sale. It's also illegal per federal law to post any private vehicle for sale without their consent that is not owned by the seller.

We never see kew or anyone else talk about this (probably because its too painful-- just ask the slant)....nor of how he and max vowed to come to Phoenix as soon as I posted an address of where it was for sale--which I did, and they immediately ran like scaredy-cats for their little safe spaces.

I love making the little fairy look stupid, almost as much as I enjoy having won millions at vp over the years while he struggles to live as a losing gambler in LV who's just another blackjack junkie & addict!

Hi kew!! psst....don't blow your cover over this

I wanted a cheaper motor home so I was calling RV dealers for Class C motorhomes, which I thought tended to be the cheapest.

But strangely every time I asked for a Class C motorhome they tended to be the fanciest, have the most options, and be the most expensive

Class C of the same size as a class A should generally be cheaper. The class A's generally have a better engine, higher tow rating, more room, and a better layout with upgraded features.

Here's my theory about why class C costs have gone up.

It used to be you were paying for the main parts, engine, and the bones of the RV; everything else was cheaply made. But nowadays it seems as if they are putting more money and detail into the comfort features, upgrades, such as more efficient and better air conditioning/heating, solar stuff, better batteries, and the interior(granite countertops, backsplash, nice flooring instead of carpet, and they're using the same stuff in those two classes.

Nowadays, they come with easy-to-use/plug-and-play stuff, backup(360) cameras, better steering, much more efficient lithium batteries, generators, and efficient appliances.
I don't know the exact year, but I would say most anything pre-2000 wasn't very woman-friendly to operate and drive. Now, just about anyone can operate a new one fairly easily. Things such as auto/self-winterizing, tank cleaning made easy, Etc.

And since the big van life/RV movement on YouTube and social media, the Class C has become very popular and in demand since they are easier to drive, as it's more like driving a truck.

Whatever the case, I would definitely look into a used RV if you're going to buy one. They can drop as much as 50% of their original value in the first few years. The average person who buys a brand new RV isn't going to do anywhere near that type of wear and tear to depreciate something that much.

[MisterV]

Do I miss living in The South?

Uhhh,..

[Rob.Singer]

This is the how and why kew is compelled to lie so much. In a quick review of his latest post here, I immediately spotted several untruths about mdawg and red, which are neither here nor there for me.

But there's little doubt why he does it...in just the same manner why he can't help himself making up stuff about me---and he never even gets the baselines right.

We got our 1st Class A rv in 2011, when we started a 5-yr. stint at being full-tìmers. We chose to move to an RV park in Pahrump for the first 8 months THAT YEAR to get used to the 38' rig and the lifestyle. I discovered and played the DU bug FROM EARLY 2004 TO MID-2009. Kew can never and has never gotten any of his lies about me straight, which is why anything he claims about others cannot be taken seriously.

We upgraded to the 45' Newell after we knew what we were doing. No, not the one I tried to spoof folks with at a storage facility near us in Deer Valley....and yes, the one I eventually sold to a Prescott resident--and not an Israeli guy that kew likes to lie about. And this is the same Newell I posted pics of in Auto Trader, where they require proof of ownership before posting anything 6-figure and up for sale. It's also illegal per federal law to post any private vehicle for sale without their consent that is not owned by the seller.

We never see kew or anyone else talk about this (probably because its too painful-- just ask the slant)....nor of how he and max vowed to come to Phoenix as soon as I posted an address of where it was for sale--which I did, and they immediately ran like scaredy-cats for their little safe spaces.

I love making the little fairy look stupid, almost as much as I enjoy having won millions at vp over the years while he struggles to live as a losing gambler in LV who's just another blackjack junkie & addict!

Hi kew!! psst....don't blow your cover over this

I wanted a cheaper motor home so I was calling RV dealers for Class C motorhomes, which I thought tended to be the cheapest.

But strangely every time I asked for a Class C motorhome they tended to be the fanciest, have the most options, and be the most expensive

Class C of the same size as a class A should generally be cheaper. The class A's generally have a better engine, higher tow rating, more room, and a better layout with upgraded features.

Here's my theory about why class C costs have gone up.

It used to be you were paying for the main parts, engine, and the bones of the RV; everything else was cheaply made. But nowadays it seems as if they are putting more money and detail into the comfort features, upgrades, such as more efficient and better air conditioning/heating, solar stuff, better batteries, and the interior(granite countertops, backsplash, nice flooring instead of carpet, and they're using the same stuff in those two classes.

Nowadays, they come with easy-to-use/plug-and-play stuff, backup(360) cameras, better steering, much more efficient lithium batteries, generators, and efficient appliances.
I don't know the exact year, but I would say most anything pre-2000 wasn't very woman-friendly to operate and drive. Now, just about anyone can operate a new one fairly easily. Things such as auto/self-winterizing, tank cleaning made easy, Etc.

And since the big van life/RV movement on YouTube and social media, the Class C has become very popular and in demand since they are easier to drive, as it's more like driving a truck.

Whatever the case, I would definitely look into a used RV if you're going to buy one. They can drop as much as 50% of their original value in the first few years. The average person who buys a brand new RV isn't going to do anywhere near that type of wear and tear to depreciate something that much.

Any decent used rv can be a good buy over a used one. The main issue to look for is damage from the #1 destroyer or rv's: water leaks. Next is the roof, if they've been stored outside.