Vegas Matt anal

[Don Perignom]

Lately at baccarat, Matt has been handling the cards -- which he peels using a "lobster claw" grip:



Commenters hate it because his hand obscures the cards.

Now they're asking to put EJ back in because he keeps the cards visible to the camera.



They used to complain about EJ because they were like, peeling is stupid, just show me the cards.

I think there's a psychological lesson in there.

[Don Perignom]

As EJ is setting up to film, this phat phuc lights a cigarette.





"I thought Val Kilmer was dead."



Dumbass blows his smoke toward EJ.

"Dad, can I beat him unconscious with my tripod?"



"No son, he sent a $5 super chat."

[theywontpayontuesday]

Whoa kind of sensitive to the man smoking. "Some guy" like Vegas Matt owns the entire casino. They have enough money, they don't need to make more dragging people into their demise. People here have said slot video viewership people dont gamble, bull shit.

[Tasha]

As EJ is setting up to film, this phat phuc lights a cigarette.





"I thought Val Kilmer was dead."



Dumbass blows his smoke toward EJ.

"Dad, can I beat him unconscious with my tripod?"



"No son, he sent a $5 super chat."

If I were Vegas Matt I would have cussed out the smoker for blowing cigarette smoke in my son's face! A guy knocked out a cigarette smoker for blowing cigarette smoke in his BABY'S face. Baby was in a stroller and smoker deliberately bent down and blew the cigarette smoke in the baby's face!

[Don Perignom]

Whoa kind of sensitive to the man smoking.

If you want to look on the bright side, the smoke probably covered the guy's body odor.

Full disclosure, the captions are from my imagination.

People here have said slot video viewership people dont gamble, bull shit.

Matt has been a vocal proponent of the w2g threshold increase. He hates the handpay breaks (on machines without self-pay). But you don't get what you vote for.

[Don Perignom]

A guy knocked out a cigarette smoker for blowing cigarette smoke in his BABY'S face.

Insufficient punishment.

And I say that as someone who hates babies.

[Tasha]

A guy knocked out a cigarette smoker for blowing cigarette smoke in his BABY'S face.

Insufficient punishment.

And I say that as someone who hates babies.

Yep, guy's an asshole for blowing cigarette smoke in a BABY'S face! I don't know how he thought that blowing cigarette smoke in a BABY'S face was okay for him to do. Dad has every right to knock him out, endangering his BABY'S health! Guy would have been an asshole blowing cigarette smoke in the Adult Dad's face, let alone a BABY.

[Don Perignom]

What did this mean? I'll transcribe as best I can. Skip to 9:37:



Jonathan Jossel (Plaza CEO): [to WBG] You're probably the guy I should be calling for all my promos. I have a couple of guys that I didn't kick out that I rely on for like, is this promo a good idea, or am I going to get abused on this -- advantage players are going to be coming in here and taking advantage of all of this. I'm going to start calling you for that.

Vegas Matt: There's nobody in the world, I would put [WBG] up against anybody in the world, as far as gambling knowledge Olympics, or Jeopardy.

Jossel: We should create that. I've seen so many scams here, like the guys pulling the cards on Ultimate X. The ones that get me is the ones that when you know they're really good is they know which games when they pull the card, doesn't have the persistent sessions. That's a really good [?], that's you're high level at that level. They figured out when you pull the machine whether there's persistent plays.

WBG: Of course.

Jossel: I don't even know how they figure that out, but that's inside knowledge ...

WBG: To, uh, fake losses.

Jossel: Exactly.

WBG: Yeah.

Jossel: Yeah. Um yeah, Matt doesn't even know what we're talking about.

Matt: No, I have no idea.

[Don Perignom]

I understand how Ultimate X can be abused, but sounds like he's talking about games where you can pull your card before the final decision registers -- such as maybe when you trigger a slot bonus round.

I've experimented with the possibility, but never found anything viable. <dunce cap>

[Don Perignom]

On the Vegas Matt & Friends live stream, they're promoting a sweepstakes/social casino called Chanced -- available in 39 states, excluding NV of course.

EJ says: "I appreciate all the positive support everybody, in the comments. It's been awesome."

Translation: Everybody in the comments is griping about the new grift .

[Tasha]

I understand how Ultimate X can be abused, but sounds like he's talking about games where you can pull your card before the final decision registers -- such as maybe when you trigger a slot bonus round.

I've experimented with the possibility, but never found anything viable. <dunce cap>

Zcore on WOV who is a Casino Staff Member said that he and his Team knows when Players pull Player's Club cards when Bonuses hit. A Poster said something like, "My Friend who lives in a different State visited me one weekend and he and I went to my local Casino. He had a Promo for first time sign up, earn 50 points and get $200 in free play.

He earned the 50 points and got the $200. We were leaving the Casino in a few minutes because he was going to catch a plane back to his State soon. He told me I could keep his Player's Club card and play the $200, just Zelle him his half of whatever I lost." I agreed and kept his card.

The next day, I played with his Player's Club card and got the Bonus. I pulled his Player's Club card out of the machine and put my own card in. I ended up hitting a HUGE Jackpot with my Friend's free play money but my card was in the machine when the Slot Technician came to verify my win and I claimed the Jackpot using my own Player's Club card and ID.

I Zelled my Friend $2,500 out of the $5,000 bonus. There is no way that the Casino will find out that I won the Bonus using my Friend's free play but just switched the cards when the Bonus started."

Zcore responded something like,"I am a Casino Staff Member and my Team and I know when Players pull out Player's Club cards when Bonuses start. You and your Friend MIGHT get away scot free since your Player's Club card was the one in the machine when the Slot Technician verified the win and the Casino thinks you pulled out your own Player's Club card impulsively and put it right back after using your better judgement, but you'll be pretty much screwed if they check the cameras and see that the Player's Club card you initially put in and were playing on was not your own Player's Club card and you pulled your Friend's Player's Club card out in your own Player's Club card when the Bonus started."

[mickeycrimm]

I understand how Ultimate X can be abused, but sounds like he's talking about games where you can pull your card before the final decision registers -- such as maybe when you trigger a slot bonus round.

I've experimented with the possibility, but never found anything viable. <dunce cap>

I'm surprised at Jossel's ingorance. When you pull the card in the middle of a spin it won't unregister until the spin is completed and the result is recorded.

So you make a $3 spin, the $3 coin-in is recorded, and you are awarded 10 free games. Pulling the card here won't work because you are still in the middle of the spin. The card won't unregister because the results of the 10 free spins are recorded in the spin that initiated the 10 free games. Once the free spins are over the card will unregister.

So AP's are in a quandary over this. They want the benefits the card brings but they don't want a record showing they are consistent winners. My advice is use the card in casinos you dont' spend much time in. Use the card sparingly in casinos where you are a frequent and long term gambler.

There are games out there like Regal Riches, Stack Up Pays, Rocket Rumble, where you pull the card when you get it close to the top. For example, you find a Regal with the yellow at 115 and it must hit by 125. When you get it up to 124 pull the card. Per the average you will be stuck about 120 units at that point. The average pay on the yellow is 210. So instead of showing about a 70 unit win you will be showing a 120 unit loss.

You don't have to pull every time. 1 out of 3 plays will show you as a moderate loser.

[DGenBen]

I understand how Ultimate X can be abused, but sounds like he's talking about games where you can pull your card before the final decision registers -- such as maybe when you trigger a slot bonus round.

I've experimented with the possibility, but never found anything viable. <dunce cap>

I'm surprised at Jossel's ingorance. When you pull the card in the middle of a spin it won't unregister until the spin is completed and the result is recorded.

So you make a $3 spin, the $3 coin-in is recorded, and you are awarded 10 free games. Pulling the card here won't work because you are still in the middle of the spin. The card won't unregister because the results of the 10 free spins are recorded in the spin that initiated the 10 free games. Once the free spins are over the card will unregister.

So AP's are in a quandary over this. They want the benefits the card brings but they don't want a record showing they are consistent winners. My advice is use the card in casinos you dont' spend much time in. Use the card sparingly in casinos where you are a frequent and long term gambler.

There are games out there like Regal Riches, Stack Up Pays, Rocket Rumble, where you pull the card when you get it close to the top. For example, you find a Regal with the yellow at 115 and it must hit by 125. When you get it up to 124 pull the card. Per the average you will be stuck about 120 units at that point. The average pay on the yellow is 210. So instead of showing about a 70 unit win you will be showing a 120 unit loss.

You don't have to pull every time. 1 out of 3 plays will show you as a moderate loser.

This is true.

There are a few casinos that use older players card systems where pulling the card will result in the win not being tracked, but these are rare today.

Many of the new players card systems if the card is pulled after the spin will display a message showing something like “Carded session in progress” or will continue to display players name, session points, etc even without card inserted since the spin is still live. For these systems the play is definitely still tracked for that spin with the card out,

Other systems when you pull the card out it stops displaying the players information on the screen and immediately looks like no card is being used at all even if in the middle of a spin that was initiated with the card. Most systems like this will still track all the information from the initial spin even if the card is pulled, but very rarely they won’t.

[Rob.Singer]

I understand how Ultimate X can be abused, but sounds like he's talking about games where you can pull your card before the final decision registers -- such as maybe when you trigger a slot bonus round.

I've experimented with the possibility, but never found anything viable. <dunce cap>

I'm surprised at Jossel's ingorance. When you pull the card in the middle of a spin it won't unregister until the spin is completed and the result is recorded.

So you make a $3 spin, the $3 coin-in is recorded, and you are awarded 10 free games. Pulling the card here won't work because you are still in the middle of the spin. The card won't unregister because the results of the 10 free spins are recorded in the spin that initiated the 10 free games. Once the free spins are over the card will unregister.

So AP's are in a quandary over this. They want the benefits the card brings but they don't want a record showing they are consistent winners. My advice is use the card in casinos you dont' spend much time in. Use the card sparingly in casinos where you are a frequent and long term gambler.

There are games out there like Regal Riches, Stack Up Pays, Rocket Rumble, where you pull the card when you get it close to the top. For example, you find a Regal with the yellow at 115 and it must hit by 125. When you get it up to 124 pull the card. Per the average you will be stuck about 120 units at that point. The average pay on the yellow is 210. So instead of showing about a 70 unit win you will be showing a 120 unit loss.

You don't have to pull every time. 1 out of 3 plays will show you as a moderate loser.

Not really related and pulling a card isn't some part of my playing strategy, but 2 days ago at the Reno Peppermill I was playing Super Aces at dollars, actually at 20 credits/spin, and I was dealt 4 Aces. So out of curiosity and thinking it would keep me off the winning radar, after holding the Aces I pulled my card prior to hitting draw.

The floor attendants came over and did their thing etc., and they took my card to get the paperwork done. Soon, a suit came over with the $8000 cash but he also said "my people told me your card wasn't in the machine. Pulling cards doesn't work here."

I didn't say anything back because I didn't really know what I was doing. In my DU bug days I didn't play with a card until a handpay came. Then I tried to lose 5% of my jackpot on the highest denom of the machine before I got up and left--at the same denomination I was just paid at. THAT seemed to work as far as getting comps and keeping away from scrutiny.

[Don Perignom]

There are games out there like Regal Riches, Stack Up Pays, Rocket Rumble, where you pull the card when you get it close to the top.

Yes, potentially anything with a "must hit" component -- especially if the game often runs to the top. AGS River Dragons, for example. ISTR some of the IGT must-hits running to the top. I'm thinking of the "Classic Hits" Deluxe games: Money Storm, Coyote Moon & Lobstermania.

You could also pull out before the final spin of a cycle on games such as Scarab.

In the podcast video, I thought they were referring to something more advanced than any of that.

[Don Perignom]

Many of the new players card systems if the card is pulled after the spin will display a message showing something like “Carded session in progress” or will continue to display players name, session points, etc even without card inserted since the spin is still live. For these systems the play is definitely still tracked for that spin with the card out,

But then if you found a specific machine or game in the casino that didn't trigger the "carded session," you'd be clued in to a possible loophole. I suppose the best prospects would be games from obscure manufacturers that may not be perfectly compatible with the tracking system.

[Don Perignom]

The floor attendants came over and did their thing etc., and they took my card to get the paperwork done. Soon, a suit came over with the $8000 cash but he also said "my people told me your card wasn't in the machine. Pulling cards doesn't work here."

This takes me back to Mickey's advice about playing uncarded in an AP situation:

My advice is use the card in casinos you dont' spend much time in. Use the card sparingly in casinos where you are a frequent and long term gambler.

To avoid heat, you're uncarded for the entire session. But if you hit a taxable, I assume they'll tag the jackpot to your card. So that would be a risk when trying to stay under the radar.

[Don Perignom]

The "Chanced" sponsorship went over like a red balloon. Almost unanimous hate in the comments. I remember FanDuel got a lot of hostility, but this got a worse reaction because it's viewed as quasi-legal and scammy, and people are saying Matt specifically vowed not to promote this type of site.

People are also wondering how the quartet, who are all based in Nevada, were able to play a Nevada-disallowed site. Reportedly, they avoided "addressing" questions as to their filming studio location.

I see they quickly followed up today with a "normal" stream of only 1-hour duration. Maybe they wanted to push the disaster session down in the search results.

In another group, someone was speculating as to whether they're APs. I don't know anything really about W2Jesus or WBG. The latter has somewhat of a poker background. It appears that they often scout machines prior to playing. They'll play Buffalo Link (or similar) selections that are elevated toward the must-hit. Or they'll pick games with maxed-out progressives. But afaik, it's not often that they play (on-camera anyway) with an edge.