Big beautiful bill to fuck gamblers.

[smurgerburger]

Trump of all people is not going to know every provision of a 1,000+ page tax bill that he signed shortly after it passed the Senate.

He also doesn't have a line item veto so even if he knew and cared there's no way he would have scuttled the whole bill over this one item.

[redietz]

Trump of all people is not going to know every provision of a 1,000+ page tax bill that he signed shortly after it passed the Senate.

He also doesn't have a line item veto so even if he knew and cared there's no way he would have scuttled the whole bill over this one item.

You are analyzing this backwards.

You are correct that Trump would not know every line of a thousand page tax bill. So one question you might ask would be, "What lines would he know more about?" And then, "Why?"

Anyone who has any insights into Trump's personal history and locale would then say, "Ahhh, maybe I get it."

This is not terribly opaque, but it takes a little grasp of the president's gestalt and owes-ies.

Anyway, that's enough. If the response is, "He doesn't read every line of a thousand-page bill," well, no kidding, Sherlock.

Sometimes I wonder how you guys, bright as you are, make it across the street without a signal. I mean, holy fuck, some of you think the world began with your birth.

[MisterV]

By report Trump isn't much on reading anything at all.

"Just tell me, hit the high points" kind of a guy.

Argh...

[smurgerburger]

You seem to be taking for granted a premise (that Trump would know about this item) that seems far from obvious and then building some sort of sandcastle of insinuations upon it.

[Don Perignom]

You seem to be taking for granted a premise (that Trump would know about this item) that seems far from obvious and then building some sort of sandcastle of insinuations upon it.

Redietz is that cat who always plays with his claws extended.

At my house, EJ does the same occasionally, but Matt is very well-behaved.

[Don Perignom]

I rated the thread 5 stars, purely for "sandcastle of insinuations" .

If I could rate the thread 6 stars, I wouldn't do it. Because 5 is the maximum.

[Don Perignom]

I wasn't trying to change my vote. I was trying to vote again .

I should have voted 6 stars when I had the chance.

[Rob.Singer]

Leave it to the little people to be worried about this provision.

Here's a brilliant idea: just figure out how to win....it solves every tax issue known.

Unreal.

[mickeycrimm]

Idiots don't get wide open borders closed, nor do they get deficit-reducing bills passed while the other guys whine and act like a bunch of tasha's.

Idiots DO get recorded saying how they grab women by the pussy...and lie about the 2020 election...and get felony convictions for cheating on taxes...and owe millions for sexual predation...

You MAGA types look at the oaf the way the krauts did Hitler: "Ach, he ist a bad man but 'dat is what Deutschland needs right now..."

Taxes and sexual predation? Kangaroo court….but you know that.

[mickeycrimm]

Ditz doesnt mention sportsbettors being affected. WTF? Or I should say honest sports bettors. Aint that right, ditz? The easiest thing in the world for a pro gambler to do is pencil the IRS. Ain’t that right, ditz?

Ooooooooooooops!

The loss column in ditz’ gambling log book goes up 10% this year. Aint that right, ditz?

But dont pencil yourself so much that your bills amount to more than your declared income. And make sure that your win/loss isnt traceable, or do your penciling on the part that isnt traceable. The IRS looks for lifestyle larger than declared income can support. Otherwise, they are at the gambler’s mercy.

“Honest gambler” is an oxymoron just like ‘honest tout.” Aint that right, ditz?

I’m sure you’ve got your pencil sharpened.

[redietz]

Ditz doesnt mention sportsbettors being affected. WTF? Or I should say honest sports bettors. Aint that right, ditz? The easiest thing in the world for a pro gambler to do is pencil the IRS. Ain’t that right, ditz?

Ooooooooooooops!

The loss column in ditz’ gambling log book goes up 10% this year. Aint that right, ditz?

But dont pencil yourself so much that your bills amount to more than your declared income. And make sure that your win/loss isnt traceable, or do your penciling on the part that isnt traceable. The IRS looks for lifestyle larger than declared income can support. Otherwise, they are at the gambler’s mercy.

“Honest gambler” is an oxymoron just like ‘honest tout.” Aint that right, ditz?

I’m sure you’ve got your pencil sharpened.

So let me get this straight. I'm the moron for still having the majority of my money in offshores not associated with US companies? LOL.

And mickey is the brilliant, sophisticated gambler whose president (and mine, to be clear) just threw him a curve ball that honestly I did not see coming either, but that does not surprise me in the least because (1) it makes sense in the overall scheme of things and (2) really, I should have anticipated this.

I kind of always felt this was a real possibility, but I idiotically assumed it was more likely under Harris than Trump. My bad. If I had rubbed a few neurons together, I would have realized I was likely dead wrong.

I was stupid, but I am prepared. And according to mickey, that makes me a bad man. LOL. Sorry, dude, I quit the Boy Scouts 50 years ago.

So I will get a kick out of this. Ninety percent of whatever edges I have are intact. I'm thinking, for some people who will go unmentioned, 90% of their edges just went out the window. And somehow I am to blame for this being the situation.

We need a new term. You know, for the "sharps" who suddenly became "squares" overnight.

[Prozema]

I keep wondering who is behind this gambling tax provision. The IRS would know this rule will kill action so revenue would go down. What purpose would this new tax rule serve? Who benefits from it? Is it meant to chase professional sports bettors away from the books? Someone had to think up this shit and get it into the bill. Is the sports betting industry behind it?

Mike Crapo (R) Idaho I think.

[MisterV]

How ironic that the folks who helped establish casino gambling in LV by loaning the wise guys money when nobody else would are now taking actions antithetical to gambling.

Mike Crapo is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He has been a member of the church since at least the time of his marriage in 1974, according to Wikipedia.

Looks like the Mormons as well as the christian right are using politics as opposed to proselytizing and persuasion to achieve social change which parallels their teachings.

Call it a "sin tax."

[cyberbabble]

Gamblers starting to complain.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...45952d0f&ei=25

[mickeycrimm]

Ditz doesnt mention sportsbettors being affected. WTF? Or I should say honest sports bettors. Aint that right, ditz? The easiest thing in the world for a pro gambler to do is pencil the IRS. Ain’t that right, ditz?

Ooooooooooooops!

The loss column in ditz’ gambling log book goes up 10% this year. Aint that right, ditz?

But dont pencil yourself so much that your bills amount to more than your declared income. And make sure that your win/loss isnt traceable, or do your penciling on the part that isnt traceable. The IRS looks for lifestyle larger than declared income can support. Otherwise, they are at the gambler’s mercy.

“Honest gambler” is an oxymoron just like ‘honest tout.” Aint that right, ditz?

I’m sure you’ve got your pencil sharpened.

So let me get this straight. I'm the moron for still having the majority of my money in offshores not associated with US companies? LOL.

And mickey is the brilliant, sophisticated gambler whose president (and mine, to be clear) just threw him a curve ball that honestly I did not see coming either, but that does not surprise me in the least because (1) it makes sense in the overall scheme of things and (2) really, I should have anticipated this.

I kind of always felt this was a real possibility, but I idiotically assumed it was more likely under Harris than Trump. My bad. If I had rubbed a few neurons together, I would have realized I was likely dead wrong.

I was stupid, but I am prepared. And according to mickey, that makes me a bad man. LOL. Sorry, dude, I quit the Boy Scouts 50 years ago.

So I will get a kick out of this. Ninety percent of whatever edges I have are intact. I'm thinking, for some people who will go unmentioned, 90% of their edges just went out the window. And somehow I am to blame for this being the situation.

We need a new term. You know, for the "sharps" who suddenly became "squares" overnight.

I knew about the gamblers tax in the bill before it was finalized and still supported the bill. To much in there that my relatives like. I like 90% of what Trump has done. Trump didn't know anything about it anyway. It was snuck into the bill by a Mormon. Was Trump supposed to kill the bill because of one little piece? Use your head redietz.

And he didn't throw me a curve ball. Slot AP's are least affected by the bill. See if you can figure out why and get back to us. I'll wait.

A quote off twitter:

"The .000000002% of gamblers that were honest about their winnings will now be reduced to .000000000!%."

The no brainer is the loss column goes up 10%. But you know that.

[redietz]

Ditz doesnt mention sportsbettors being affected. WTF? Or I should say honest sports bettors. Aint that right, ditz? The easiest thing in the world for a pro gambler to do is pencil the IRS. Ain’t that right, ditz?

Ooooooooooooops!

The loss column in ditz’ gambling log book goes up 10% this year. Aint that right, ditz?

But dont pencil yourself so much that your bills amount to more than your declared income. And make sure that your win/loss isnt traceable, or do your penciling on the part that isnt traceable. The IRS looks for lifestyle larger than declared income can support. Otherwise, they are at the gambler’s mercy.

“Honest gambler” is an oxymoron just like ‘honest tout.” Aint that right, ditz?

I’m sure you’ve got your pencil sharpened.

So let me get this straight. I'm the moron for still having the majority of my money in offshores not associated with US companies? LOL.

And mickey is the brilliant, sophisticated gambler whose president (and mine, to be clear) just threw him a curve ball that honestly I did not see coming either, but that does not surprise me in the least because (1) it makes sense in the overall scheme of things and (2) really, I should have anticipated this.

I kind of always felt this was a real possibility, but I idiotically assumed it was more likely under Harris than Trump. My bad. If I had rubbed a few neurons together, I would have realized I was likely dead wrong.

I was stupid, but I am prepared. And according to mickey, that makes me a bad man. LOL. Sorry, dude, I quit the Boy Scouts 50 years ago.

So I will get a kick out of this. Ninety percent of whatever edges I have are intact. I'm thinking, for some people who will go unmentioned, 90% of their edges just went out the window. And somehow I am to blame for this being the situation.

We need a new term. You know, for the "sharps" who suddenly became "squares" overnight.

I knew about the gamblers tax in the bill before it was finalized and still supported the bill. To much in there that my relatives like. I like 90% of what Trump has done. Trump didn't know anything about it anyway. It was snuck into the bill by a Mormon. Was Trump supposed to kill the bill because of one little piece? Use your head redietz.

And he didn't throw me a curve ball. Slot AP's are least affected by the bill. See if you can figure out why and get back to us. I'll wait.

A quote off twitter:

"The .000000002% of gamblers that were honest about their winnings will now be reduced to .000000000!%."

The no brainer is the loss column goes up 10%. But you know that.

Use your head, mickey. Do you really think "a Mormon" sneaked this into that bill? Or do you think it's a classic "red cape" political move?

In other words, find some front man unaffected by consequences of introducing something and have him play masthead. He drapes himself in a red flag, and the bulls decide he's the problem. It's so textbook, it'll probably show up in political textbooks a hundred years from now.

Call me a cynic. LOL. Or maybe I like to squint a little bit when the sun's in my eyes.

Honestly, I have a pretty good idea what's going on here, but that'll stay with me 'til the worms get me. I'm just annoyed that I didn't grasp it sooner. I had to be hit over the head with the skillet.

[mickeycrimm]

Use your head, mickey. Do you really think "a Mormon" sneaked this into that bill? Or do you think it's a classic "red cape" political move?

In other words, find some front man unaffected by consequences of introducing something and have him play masthead. He drapes himself in a red flag, and the bulls decide he's the problem. It's so textbook, it'll probably show up in political textbooks a hundred years from now.

Call me a cynic. LOL. Or maybe I like to squint a little bit when the sun's in my eyes.

Honestly, I have a pretty good idea what's going on here, but that'll stay with me 'til the worms get me. I'm just annoyed that I didn't grasp it sooner. I had to be hit over the head with the skillet.

Dietz lives in lala land where he is smarter than everybody else. The Dunning-Kruger is stunning. Dietz knows whats going on and no one else in the whole wide world knows it but him. Dunning-Kruger Dietz.

[mickeycrimm]

And redietz, you didn't answer my question about why slot AP's are the least affected by this gambler's tax. You don't know the answer or you would have rubbed my nose in it. So you are doing what you always do, ignore the question and maybe it will go away. I'll give you a little more time.

[redietz]

And redietz, you didn't answer my question about why slot AP's are the least affected by this gambler's tax. You don't know the answer or you would have rubbed my nose in it. So you are doing what you always do, ignore the question and maybe it will go away. I'll give you a little more time.

LOL. I'm not a slot AP. Unlike some people, the whole Leonardo Da AP schtick is not my thing. If you think I'll be bothered to look it up so as to appear erudite, you are wrong. I do not know off the top of my head. Moreover, I do not care. Why would I?

But here's one for the resident "slot AP" -- which sounds like you ripoff hookers somehow. What has recently started occurring for slot jackpots at Native American casinos that tips you off to the fact that there may be routes around the new tax laws? Assuming, of course, that Native American casinos aren't jury-rigging the slots, which would really fuck up the "slot APs."

Wait, wait, could it be that the answer to my question is the same as the answer to the resident genius "slot AP's" question? That would, however, mean that the guy who knows nothing might know something, and still not care!

So, does that answer your question, mickey?

That was way too easy, dude. But I'll let you off the hook. It's pretty much sheer luck that I knew the answer. I just happened to witness it live the other day. But I will emphasize, because you tend to play first then figure things out more precisely after ballparking, that Native American casinos are not beholden to anyone. If they want to fuck you, you are fucked.

[redietz]

And redietz, you didn't answer my question about why slot AP's are the least affected by this gambler's tax. You don't know the answer or you would have rubbed my nose in it. So you are doing what you always do, ignore the question and maybe it will go away. I'll give you a little more time.

You know, this hurts my feelings, as i was the first to mention Dunning-Kruger on this forum. Look it up. And you didn't include me in a footnote.

Bad mickey, bad mickey.