The truth about this degenerate industry

[jdaewoo]

Half the people on this forum have made it on their own and are more successful than you'll ever be.

The other half are retards.

Youre the other half?

You have no idea how funny that is.

[DGenBen]

People who are truly successful don’t worry about what other people are doing.

If someone does nothing but complain about other people it’s a big tell on how successful or unsuccessful they are themselves.

Also most successful people don’t constantly brag about how great they are.

Success is it’s own reward & is independent of other people. If someone is constantly screaming about how great they are & how everyone else is a loser thats another big tell on how successful or not that person actually is, not to mention their happiness level,

[ZenKinG]

People who are truly successful don’t worry about what other people are doing.

If someone does nothing but complain about other people it’s a big tell on how successful or unsuccessful they are themselves.

Also most successful people don’t constantly brag about how great they are.

Success is it’s own reward & is independent of other people. If someone is constantly screaming about how great they are & how everyone else is a loser thats another big tell on how successful or not that person actually is, not to mention their happiness level,

Problem is, im not 'most' people. Ive always been the exception to literally everything ive always done and how ive acted. You think you know me, but you dont know.

Otherwise what you say is true for 'most' people. Again, im not 'most' people. All of you idiots would be on MLK blvd without a teammate and a slot machine and you think youre special.

If you havent made even low to mid five figures as a solo AP, where it wasnt just variance and/or luck, but actually grinding it out for hundreds of hours or even a thousand hours, youre not an AP to me. It doesnt even have to be counting, but just anything solo that youve done. It could be poker, etc. Slots isnt really impressive brcause theres crackheads making moneh and the low capital and low swings you take isnt very impressive to show the nuts and bolts of the brain of a true AP.

Show me something where you had to fund yourself, pay your bills, and how you persevered through the down times when no one was there to hold your hand. Better yet, show me your results without a job to support yourself, because theres also a lot of big shots out there that claim they make all this money, but have a job to pay their bills where the pressure is no where near the same. Not to mention if you have a job and claim you make all this monry, thats a red flag in itself.

Whether it's solo counting or poker, or sports, it's not the act itself thats important, it's the indirect variables that these APs possess that really shows how good they are with money and actually have what it takes to make it. Also as a caveat, if you got backed at any point like these degenerate poker players, that doesnt count either. Yes, my dad gave me a handout once, that I never asked for, for 20k that he gave me and my brother as a one-time gift that his parents did for him and his siblings, so he passed it on, but he never otherwise gave me money ever. Keep in mind, that's when i still had 40 to 45k with no debt and without a job for like 3 years at that point.

That's why you see very little solo APs. It's a bunch of wannabes with a story that needed team funds to stay in the game. These are the same people that flamed out trying to make it themselves. This simple rule would prevent a lot of scamming and skimming that happens in this industry./community. Tell me your solo AP career and how you persevered. 99% of you, have no solo career. You people can claim team play is more beneficial, but thats more of an excuse to make yourselves feel better. Most, if not all of you are teamimg up out of weakness, not strength. Counting really exposes the nuts and bolt of the brain of a 'gambler'. Can these scammers and skimmers backcount for 500 hours straight without placing a bet? I guarantee you theyd blow their brains out. Hell, most so called 'counters' wouldnt be able to do that and why they dont last very long.

If KJ's story is true, props to him. Thats a big IF as well cause as far as I know nobody has met him and could just be some guy in india posting reasonable annual counting profits that he makes per year to make it sound believable. I want to believe his story is true, but there are definitely some red flags. Ill say this, I believe him more than these get rich quick idiots on discord and the forums.

[DGenBen]

I would agree with you there. You are certainly not “most” people.

What I don’t get is why you care so much about what other people are doing.

What difference does it make to you?

If you’re the greatest why do you care about what everyone else is doing?

Back in the late 2000s when Apple rolled out the IPhone, they didn’t trash talk Blackberry , Nokia, Motorola, etc. the market leaders at the time.

They just rolled into the marketplace with a superior product & quietly handed all their competitor’s asses to them,

Who APs for bragging rights & not money?

[kewlJ]

Who APs for bragging rights & not money?

Nobody AP's for bragging rights. It is ALWAYS about the money. BUT, I see nothing wrong with anyone being proud of their accomplishments in this highly specialized field. And if any of us wants to share some of what we have done, some of our accomplishments, what better place than a forum with some other APs?

I also don't think most APs that share some of what they do and have accomplished are necessarily bragging. I think we all KNOW what bragging is. We have seen it first hand on this forum.

[ZenKinG]

I would agree with you there. You are certainly not “most” people.

What I don’t get is why you care so much about what other people are doing.

What difference does it make to you?

If you’re the greatest why do you care about what everyone else is doing?

Back in the late 2000s when Apple rolled out the IPhone, they didn’t trash talk Blackberry , Nokia, Motorola, etc. the market leaders at the time.

They just rolled into the marketplace with a superior product & quietly handed all their competitor’s asses to them,

Who APs for bragging rights & not money?

Your little fallacy thinking it's about bragging rights and not keeping this community honest is where you got lost. Im sick of frauds that galk.a big game, give me shit for not making x money and poison yhe community buildimg their reputation with lies and deceit. The guys actually out there playing get made fun of for the lack of money they make, while sweating their ass trying to make an honest living, meanwhile the impsters continue living the lie and the end result is always negative for the community when there is a structure like that. If you need to explain, why its a negative for this so called 'community', then i got a bridge in vegas to sell you. Fuvk it, here's why. You let these guys go unchecked and these guys build a reputation and use it against naive gamblers getting into the business. It becomes a skimmimg and scamming show.

This whole scene is already polluted enough with the amount of people that got into slots where everyone has a chance to make money now with basically no discipline and low capital requirements, but let's not make it worse. The only ones that get mad at me for posts like this are part of the problem. You should never believe one single person when they tell you their story if they never did anything solo.without help. If you want forums and discords like this, dont fucking cry when the next jeff toll or whatever scammer comes knocking and cleans you out.

[kewlJ]

If KJ's story is true, props to him. Thats a big IF as well cause as far as I know nobody has met him and could just be some guy in india posting reasonable annual counting profits that he makes per year to make it sound believable. I want to believe his story is true, but there are definitely some red flags. Ill say this, I believe him more than these get rich quick idiots on discord and the forums.

I don't know why you (and some others) want to play this game. You have read what I have posted and shared for what...15 year, dating back to Norm's forum? As a knowledgeable card counter, that you are, have you EVER read anything I wrote or shared and said "well that can't be. That is not the way things work or that is not the way the math works?" Just the same as I damn well know, without having met you, that you have an expert understanding of card counting and what it takes to win.

Now don't confuse that with some things that I have done that you might chose not to do, just the same as there are thing you have done (mainly draw extra attention to yourself) that I would not do.

So please stop with the IF KJ's story is true. YOU know damn well it is.

[DGenBen]

Who APs for bragging rights & not money?

Nobody AP's for bragging rights. It is ALWAYS about the money. BUT, I see nothing wrong with anyone being proud of their accomplishments in this highly specialized field. And if any of us wants to share some of what we have done, some of our accomplishments, what better place than a forum with some other APs?

I also don't think most APs that share some of what they do and have accomplished are necessarily bragging. I think we all KNOW what bragging is. We have seen it first hand on this forum.

Totally agree.

That comment was in the context of ZenKing saying how he is the greatest & everyone else is a dumb loser wanna poser broke ass “nigger”

[ZenKinG]

If KJ's story is true, props to him. Thats a big IF as well cause as far as I know nobody has met him and could just be some guy in india posting reasonable annual counting profits that he makes per year to make it sound believable. I want to believe his story is true, but there are definitely some red flags. Ill say this, I believe him more than these get rich quick idiots on discord and the forums.

I don't know why you (and some others) want to play this game. You have read what I have posted and shared for what...15 year, dating back to Norm's forum? As a knowledgeable card counter, that you are, have you EVER read anything I wrote or shared and said "well that can't be. That is not the way things work or that is not the way the math works?" Just the same as I damn well know, without having met you, that you have an expert understanding of card counting and what it takes to win.

Now don't confuse that with some things that I have done that you might chose not to do, just the same as there are thing you have done (mainly draw extra attention to yourself) that I would not do.

So please stop with the IF KJ's story is true. YOU know damn well it is.

Like I said, i believe your story more than most, but im just traumatized by the amount of bullshit ive been exposed to for a decade on these numerous forums, podcasts, circle jerk BJA crews, and discords. Everyone's got a fucking story is what I've come to realize. Shit is poison. Then again, think about it. If someone busted out and couldnt make it, but still has gambling in their blood and want to stick around and all they had left was their fake story after losing all of their friends, family, and spouses, i guess that explains it.

It's only going to get worse as slots continues to die off slowly and becomes a race to the bottom. Expect a lot more scamming and skimming and a lot more story telling. I really miss the days of a good blackjack forum. Wish I was around at the peak of bjinfo.

Keep at it.

[DGenBen]

I would agree with you there. You are certainly not “most” people.

What I don’t get is why you care so much about what other people are doing.

What difference does it make to you?

If you’re the greatest why do you care about what everyone else is doing?

Back in the late 2000s when Apple rolled out the IPhone, they didn’t trash talk Blackberry , Nokia, Motorola, etc. the market leaders at the time.

They just rolled into the marketplace with a superior product & quietly handed all their competitor’s asses to them,

Who APs for bragging rights & not money?

Your little fallacy thinking it's about bragging rights and not keeping this community honest is where you got lost. Im sick of frauds that galk.a big game, give me shit for not making x money and poison yhe community buildimg their reputation with lies and deceit. The guys actually out there playing get made fun of for the lack of money they make, while sweating their ass trying to make an honest living, meanwhile the impsters continue living the lie and the end result is always negative for the community when there is a structure like that. If you need to explain, why its a negative for this so called 'community', then i got a bridge in vegas to sell you. Fuvk it, here's why. You let these guys go unchecked and these guys build a reputation and use it against naive gamblers getting into the business. It becomes a skimmimg and scamming show.

This whole scene is already polluted enough with the amount of people that got into slots where everyone has a chance to make money now with basically no discipline and low capital requirements, but let's not make it worse. The only ones that get mad at me for posts like this are part of the problem. You should never believe one single person when they tell you their story if they never did anything solo.without help. If you want forums and discords like this, dont fucking cry when the next jeff toll or whatever scammer comes knocking and cleans you out.

Honestly, I not really sure what you are even talking about.

Maybe you roll differently but I pretty much play solo as do most of the people I know, so I’m not sure who all these frauds, scammers, imposters & people making fun of you even are.

I prefer to keep my interactions with others somewhat minimal so i guess I encounter a different universe of people than you do.

I don’t care what others are doing or how much they are making.

I focus on making enough to be happy & living happy life and if others are out there making more money by working harder or working smarter, then more power to them.

[MDawg]

Here goes the KJ fraud talking in such a simple tone about how AP works and blackjack. Just how you write about AP makes me cringe, it's almost like you never played a hand in your life. You say all the right things and explain blackjack in such a simple sense when describing the game, it's like you're speaking to a 5 year old about how counting works.

[kewlJ]

Like I said, i believe your story more than most, but im just traumatized by the amount of bullshit ive been exposed to for a decade on these numerous forums, podcasts, circle jerk bja crews, and discords.

Keep at it.

If you are traumatized by the fucktards on these forums and discord (I never cared for discord) then why is it so hard to understand why someone like me wouldn't want to meet anyone from these platforms?

I don't know if you are aware, but I have had Mdawg who is nothing but a troll, dox information about me and I believe send that information to a casino.

I have had another member of this forum, Moses who was supposed to be an AP (on our side), stalk me off forum. You may remember him from Norm's forum as he started there about the time you and I were there. Moses passed away several years ago.

And I had a third member of these forums, posting as 'sidthesquid' asking members at WoV for pictures and information about me so he could find me or pass that info on to casinos. 'Sidthesquid' may have also been moses as that shit seemed to stop upon his passing.

My point is there are people on these forums and I would guess discord as well, that want to harm you as an AP. Some are supposedly fellow APs. Some are not. So as a solo type AP, why on earth would I have any desire to meet anyone from one of these platforms? The couple people I have met and have a relationship with are APs I knew or strongly knew of off forum.

I know my attitude about this...not wanting to meet people, ruffles some feathers. Axelwolf is one that has always seemed offended by this. It isn't anything personal. As a solo player, I just don't see the point (or benefit).

[DGenBen]

Well from this forum for sure lol.

I’ve met people in person from other forums before but already knew they were sane in advance.

[AxelWolf]

Like I said, i believe your story more than most, but im just traumatized by the amount of bullshit ive been exposed to for a decade on these numerous forums, podcasts, circle jerk bja crews, and discords.

Keep at it.

If you are traumatized by the fucktards on these forums and discord (I never cared for discord) then why is it so hard to understand why someone like me wouldn't want to meet anyone from these platforms?

I don't know if you are aware, but I have had Mdawg who is nothing but a troll, dox information about me and I believe send that information to a casino.

I have had another member of this forum, Moses who was supposed to be an AP (on our side), stalk me off forum. You may remember him from Norm's forum as he started there about the time you and I were there. Moses passed away several years ago.

And I had a third member of these forums, posting as 'sidthesquid' asking members at WoV for pictures and information about me so he could find me or pass that info on to casinos. 'Sidthesquid' may have also been moses as that shit seemed to stop upon his passing.

My point is there are people on these forums and I would guess discord as well, that want to harm you as an AP. Some are supposedly fellow APs. Some are not. So as a solo type AP, why on earth would I have any desire to meet anyone from one of these platforms? The couple people I have met and have a relationship with are APs I knew or strongly knew of off forum.

I know my attitude about this...not wanting to meet people, ruffles some feathers. Axelwolf is one that has always seemed offended by this. It isn't anything personal. As a solo player, I just don't see the point (or benefit).

I am not and never have been offended by any such thing. I find it odd/abnormal for someone to be such a frequent poster who has been around for so many years to have not engaged in person with anyone in the community. Oddly enough, for someone who hasn't / doesn't / wouldn't, you have had 100x more freaky shit happen to you than people who have met 200 times the number of people you have.

As far as the benefit, there is none if you're happy staying in your lane and making on average, less than 100K per year.

[Rob.Singer]

Like I said, i believe your story more than most, but im just traumatized by the amount of bullshit ive been exposed to for a decade on these numerous forums, podcasts, circle jerk bja crews, and discords.

Keep at it.

If you are traumatized by the fucktards on these forums and discord (I never cared for discord) then why is it so hard to understand why someone like me wouldn't want to meet anyone from these platforms?

I don't know if you are aware, but I have had Mdawg who is nothing but a troll, dox information about me and I believe send that information to a casino.

I have had another member of this forum, Moses who was supposed to be an AP (on our side), stalk me off forum. You may remember him from Norm's forum as he started there about the time you and I were there. Moses passed away several years ago.

And I had a third member of these forums, posting as 'sidthesquid' asking members at WoV for pictures and information about me so he could find me or pass that info on to casinos. 'Sidthesquid' may have also been moses as that shit seemed to stop upon his passing.

My point is there are people on these forums and I would guess discord as well, that want to harm you as an AP. Some are supposedly fellow APs. Some are not. So as a solo type AP, why on earth would I have any desire to meet anyone from one of these platforms? The couple people I have met and have a relationship with are APs I knew or strongly knew of off forum.

I know my attitude about this...not wanting to meet people, ruffles some feathers. Axelwolf is one that has always seemed offended by this. It isn't anything personal. As a solo player, I just don't see the point (or benefit).

I am not and never have been offended by any such thing. I find it odd/abnormal for someone to be such a frequent poster who has been around for so many years to have not engaged in person with anyone in the community. Oddly enough, for someone who hasn't / doesn't / wouldn't, you have had 100x more freaky shit happen to you than people who have met 200 times the number of people you have.

As far as the benefit, there is none if you're happy staying in your lane and making on average, less than 100K per year.

This post is what kew is all about. He is, has been, and always will be considered a gambling phony who is completely infatuated with the game of bj, and who is basically your typical LV degenerate gambler who will forever, like thousands of other locals, believe they are an "AP" simply because they lose gambling but self-value all of their "fabulous" comps into overall positive territory.

[accountinquestion]

. Everyone knows about the various ways team play can be utilized with blackjack etc. There are lots of times it is useful to work with someone. Doesn't mean you have to either.

But yea, you and Kewl knock yourselves out, brosephus.

"Everyone knows about the various ways team play can be utilized with blackjack" hun? I don't think YOU know shit about blackjack advantage play including team play. Team play in blackjack isn't even really a thing anymore. Not the way it was portrayed in the movies and book. Casinos are just waiting for teams to come along trying that "call-in" shit. Once or twice a month, a team shows up here in Vegas trying that shit and they last minutes....not even hours.

Any advantage blackjack players that remain, are solo player. or maybe a small "partnership" that doesn't play together. Playing different tables/casinos, just to smooth out variance, but that old blackjack team play you are familiar with is 1990's.

People like you, acctinQ crow about members of this forum that don't team up with people or meet people. Other people on these forums or discord, will and do sabotage other players, whether so called fellow AP or just trolls like Mdawg, who fed info about me to a casino. I think Zenking, a guy with his roots in solo blackjack play, is smart for not getting to close to some on these forums and platforms.

Sure there is some successful team play with all the machine stuff now....IF you are dealing with people you know and trust. But these forums are also full of trolls, haters and even just some that work or are associated with the other side. Don't make it sound like he (zenking) is the idiot for being cautious. And don't talk about blackjack advantage play like you have any clue about it.

Stop trying to impress people that you're a real person who has some extra sauce to hide from others. I'm just saying that working with others has definite advantages. I just brought up the BJ thing. I have no idea if it is used at all or not. The guy with the youtube channel etc selling lessons seems to still do it. He seems to do better than you - thats for sure.

Working with other people is a sign you are doing well just as much as it is a sign you're scaling up. It can just as well mean you need help in various ways because you are doing poorly.

THESE ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS.

Zenking is beyond "being cautious". He's sitting around insulting everyone on this forum. You get all eager beaver to show you're some sort of legit player and miss that part. Just stop being a loser.

You're just some loser trying to give us a teachable moment.

Yes, partner with the wrong people and you are fucked.

[MDawg]

kewlJ has also been caught in a lot of lies over time, both on this forum and elsewhere. Therefore, it is unclear if he really makes much (or anything) playing blackjack these days.

kewlJ is basically the Boy Who Cried Wolf of these AP forums. He has lied so many times that it's impossible to believe any stories he tells.

[jdaewoo]

Why isn't this retard pretending to gamble?

[kewlJ]

The guy with the youtube channel etc selling lessons seems to still do it. He seems to do better than you - thats for sure.

The guy on the youtube channel? Good grief. What is wrong with you dude? Seriously...what happened to you? You used to be normal, now you just seem to want to be as unlikable and unpleasant as a Rob Singer.

And I highly doubt some dude on a youtube channel is doing better than me as far as blackjack winnings and longevity. Maybe he makes more money from youtube....however that works, but he isn't making more money at blackjack, nor for as long as I have.

[MDawg]

Kewl is cracking. You can see it right here in real time.