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[kewlJ]

If some anonymous AP on the internet says he made 200K last year why the fuck would it mean a damn thing to you? You aren't winning or losing a dime because of it.

But if a tout runs rough on his picks then his suckers run even worse. You have the ability to hurt people financially. An anonymous AP bragging on the internet about how much he makes isn't hurting anyone.

I want to comment on this because I am one of very few AP's that has talked about what they make on a yearly (average) basis. I don't see many other APs do that, and for good reason. I have never heard you give a figure what you make a year, mick. Nor Axelwolf, nor any other legitimate AP. I guess seedvalue did...we'll leave that go for now.

Now as to why I have done so, first I am at the lower end of what most full-time type APs make. And that makes sense since my primary play is something at a very slim advantage that you MUST grind at.

And I know me stating what I make or made rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. BUT my intention was anything but bragging. Again, I am on the lower end of what most APs make. The reason I did so, was because back when I started on forums, the movie "21" had just come out, along with 2 different books on that same MIT team's experiences. Additionally there were several popular blackjack teams, like the Church team that were posting what they were doing almost in real time. And you had people like KC, who were traveling around in his RV (a real RV) making big bucks.

The results was these players made it look like making 2, 3, 5 hundred thousand dollars as a card counter or part of a team was routine, when it was NOT. These types of players and teams were able to make good money but for relatively short periods of time. 6 months, maybe a year. KC's travels lasted almost 18 month, IIRC. And then they were done! At least making decent money from blackjack play. I refer this this approach as the "slaughter" approach, as in shear a sheep vs slaughter a sheep. Another popular term for this kind of play is "slash & burn".

Well I was engaging in the "shear" approach. I wanted to play for years, identifying levels of play and a style of play that were better tolerated and would allow for some longevity. So I started sharing what I was doing and what I was making to show what a real player playing for longevity can make. And that ceiling amount is about 100k. there are actually several different ways to play, with focus on longevity, one being the way I played for a decade really grinding (lots of hours) at what I call mid level stakes (max bet under $500) and a second approach which is to play less, a couple days a week, maybe 8 days a month at a little higher stakes, which is actually how I play now. A lot of card counters that traveled a lot played this way. 3-4 , 2-3 day trips a month. BUT guess what both sort of have the same ceiling 80, 90, 100k a year (average).

THAT is what I set out to show and share. What a card counter with an eye or priority on longevity could make. My sharing of what I make/made was anything but bragging. I wanted to counter this idea that had popped up that card counters could make 3,4,5 hundred K. I mean you can do that for maybe a year. (as time went on only months).

So I make no apologies for sharing my actual numbers. I think you probably understand why I did so, mickeycrimm, and it was anything but bragging.