"Most Casinos Visited in 24 Hours" record supposedly just set by casino.org guys appears to have been rigged

[redietz]

You know, I have a Grape Nuts story. In my late 20's, I had a hankering for Grape Nuts. So one morning I ate three bowls of them. It was summer, and it was 95 degrees with high humidity. So about an hour later, I did my daily workout, which consisted of a 4-mile run in Bellefonte PA past the factory and up the mountain a half mile and back.

I made it back to my apartment building fine (the Krider Exchange) and proceeded to walk the three flights to my apartment. When I stepped onto the third floor, my vision went black. Knowing this was probably not a good thing, I sat down on the landing and hoped either my vision returned or someone happened by to get me to the hospital. Well, it took about 10 minutes, but eventually my vision returned.

Moral of the story is do not eat three bowls of Grape Nuts, then run four miles in extreme heat immediately after. When you finish the run, all the blood goes from your brain to your gullet to try to digest the Grape Nuts. Coating your stomach with whole milk before a four-mile run in extreme heat, also not real bright.

Carry on.

[Dan Druff]

I probably missed the point, but I don't see why table games would be the essential element defining a casino. When's the last time tables exceeded slots in revenue? Probably 1975 and 1977.

I also wondered this, but that's how Guinness defined a "casino" for purposes of this record. As I also mentioned, they also restrict modes of transportation regarding how you get to these casinos, which is also stupid.

The problem here is that they've steadfastly held to this definition for a long time -- including as recently a 2023 when the Mehaffeys tried to get listed for visiting 93 casinos. Up until now, Guinness would not budge, and said the record has to be set under their strict, longstanding terms.

Then along comes casino.org with a highly publicized and highly sponsored effort by two dudes who aren't even in the gambling community, and suddenly Guinness signs off on whatever was put in front of them.

This would be like Guinness letting me set the record for the best time running a marathon by suddenly allowing me to drive half of it.


If I were the one in charge of this record, I would make the following requirements:

- Casino must be licensed by the state

- Casino must have at least 500 slot or video poker machines, OR spread live table games

- Record attempter must video themselves playing machine in each casino while holding up the day's newspaper, or get a dealer at a live table game to sign off that they played at least 1 hand

- The video must be immediately emailed or shown to a Guinness rep at the end of their 24 hour period


I would not care what forms of transportation they use. That's dumb.

The "500 slots or video poker machines, or any live table games" requirement would prevent shenanigans such as using Dotty's, gas stations, bars, or supermarkets as stand-ins for casinos.

[Garnabby]

When's the last time tables exceeded slots in revenue?

Casinos put in table games to soften the environment, to make the slot players feel more at home. Slot players are loners, but, even loners like to feel at home.

Surprised that all of the so-called gaming experts here didn't know this.

[Dan Druff]

Kristina Mehaffey wrote a good article explaining the whole thing, and showing why this record was actually impossible to break in 2025 (due to there being fewer casinos with live table games than when the record was set in 2017): https://vegasadvantage.com/coveted-g...sible-to-beat/


Also of interest is this article by VitalVegas from September 29, with some interesting admissions:

Smith and Strasser got an all-expense-paid trip to Las Vegas and Casino.org also paid the duo $4,000 for their record-breaking adventure, as well as covering all the bets they made during their Las Vegas odyssey.

Based upon the math, it’s clear Guinness didn’t hold the record-breakers to a strict interpretation of the previous criteria, as there aren’t 115 proper casinos in Las Vegas to visit. There are around 80 venues people think of as casinos on The Strip and downtown.

There are, however, more than 115 venues we’ll call “gaming establishments,” otherwise known informally as “slot parlors.” Clark County has about 1,500 such places.

There seems to be confusion around the official rules because they currently say only casinos with table games or electronic table games qualify for this record, not slots. We prefer the broader definition that appears to include taverns and bars with bartop games (most notably chains like Dotty’s and PT’s). The folks at Guinness aren’t casino experts, they’re record experts. A lot of people don’t really get the difference between electronic table games and slots. Most bartop machines have table games (like blackjack) on them. Forest for the trees!

Let’s think of it this way: This wasn’t so much breaking a record as setting a new record with a new and more realistic set of rules.

Let's think of it this way: For whatever reason (bribery?), Guinness agreed to totally abandon their strict rules regarding this record, and allowed these two assholes and their casino.org sugar daddies to create entirely new rules on the fly.

It's not just that these guys exceeded the number of casinos with licensed live and electronic table games by 40. It's that they won't list the "casinos" they visited, which raises a lot of doubt regarding how many actual casinos these guys actually patronized, or if they just started hitting a long string of neighborhood bars, gas stations, and supermarkets.

If their list included all 75 normal casinos, plus 40 more such as PT's, Dotty's, an ARCO gas station, etc, then there would still be objections, but not as many. The record would still be bullshit, but at least these guys could say they visited every casino they could, but just tacked on these other establishments. However, the complete lack of a list makes this whole thing smell REALLY funny. By VitalVegas' own admission, there are about 1500 businesses in the greater Vegas area with restricted gaming licenses, which allows them to have 15 or fewer machines, which can include Game King with blackjack.

I will also say that this whole effort was obnoxious from the start. These two dudes aren't gamblers. They're publicity-chasing reality stars, who have set 20 other Guinness Records, including stupid things like "most chopsticks in a beard" (I wish I were joking).

When people like the Mehaffeys attempt to break the record, it's fun to follow because they are longtime established figures in the Vegas gambling community. Here casino.org just paid $4k (plus expenses) to some professional-record-chasing outsiders, and acted as if it were something epic. It's lame and stupid. Nobody cares about two weirdo non-gamblers from another state coming to Vegas to set a casino playing record, especially if it's not done honestly.

[accountinquestion]

Kristina Mehaffey wrote a good article explaining the whole thing, and showing why this record was actually impossible to break in 2025 (due to there being fewer casinos with live table games than when the record was set in 2017): https://vegasadvantage.com/coveted-g...sible-to-beat/


Also of interest is this article by VitalVegas from September 29, with some interesting admissions:

Smith and Strasser got an all-expense-paid trip to Las Vegas and Casino.org also paid the duo $4,000 for their record-breaking adventure, as well as covering all the bets they made during their Las Vegas odyssey.

Based upon the math, it’s clear Guinness didn’t hold the record-breakers to a strict interpretation of the previous criteria, as there aren’t 115 proper casinos in Las Vegas to visit. There are around 80 venues people think of as casinos on The Strip and downtown.

There are, however, more than 115 venues we’ll call “gaming establishments,” otherwise known informally as “slot parlors.” Clark County has about 1,500 such places.

There seems to be confusion around the official rules because they currently say only casinos with table games or electronic table games qualify for this record, not slots. We prefer the broader definition that appears to include taverns and bars with bartop games (most notably chains like Dotty’s and PT’s). The folks at Guinness aren’t casino experts, they’re record experts. A lot of people don’t really get the difference between electronic table games and slots. Most bartop machines have table games (like blackjack) on them. Forest for the trees!

Let’s think of it this way: This wasn’t so much breaking a record as setting a new record with a new and more realistic set of rules.

Let's think of it this way: For whatever reason (bribery?), Guinness agreed to totally abandon their strict rules regarding this record, and allowed these two assholes and their casino.org sugar daddies to create entirely new rules on the fly.

It's not just that these guys exceeded the number of casinos with licensed live and electronic table games by 40. It's that they won't list the "casinos" they visited, which raises a lot of doubt regarding how many actual casinos these guys actually patronized, or if they just started hitting a long string of neighborhood bars, gas stations, and supermarkets.

If their list included all 75 normal casinos, plus 40 more such as PT's, Dotty's, an ARCO gas station, etc, then there would still be objections, but not as many. The record would still be bullshit, but at least these guys could say they visited every casino they could, but just tacked on these other establishments. However, the complete lack of a list makes this whole thing smell REALLY funny. By VitalVegas' own admission, there are about 1500 businesses in the greater Vegas area with restricted gaming licenses, which allows them to have 15 or fewer machines, which can include Game King with blackjack.

I will also say that this whole effort was obnoxious from the start. These two dudes aren't gamblers. They're publicity-chasing reality stars, who have set 20 other Guinness Records, including stupid things like "most chopsticks in a beard" (I wish I were joking).

When people like the Mehaffeys attempt to break the record, it's fun to follow because they are longtime established figures in the Vegas gambling community. Here casino.org just paid $4k (plus expenses) to some professional-record-chasing outsiders, and acted as if it were something epic. It's lame and stupid. Nobody cares about two weirdo non-gamblers from another state coming to Vegas to set a casino playing record, especially if it's not done honestly.

I doubt Guiness records cares. It is just a gimmick to sell a book to kids AFAIK. Maybe they used to have a TV show? From that angle they're not going to put much effort into verifying this stuff and anyone who can bring them a wider audience they will likely give a lot of leniency to.

AND if it is seen that these guys did scam it - Guiness might not even want the bad look.

All these sorts of businesses are rent-seeking bullshit. Much like what the BBB has become. Businesses get an A+ with horrible reviews but they just pay off the BBB. BBB reps always popping up trying to shake you down.

What you want to think Guiness is and what it actually is are probably quite different.

[Dan Druff]

Kristina Mehaffey wrote a good article explaining the whole thing, and showing why this record was actually impossible to break in 2025 (due to there being fewer casinos with live table games than when the record was set in 2017): https://vegasadvantage.com/coveted-g...sible-to-beat/


Also of interest is this article by VitalVegas from September 29, with some interesting admissions:

Based upon the math, it’s clear Guinness didn’t hold the record-breakers to a strict interpretation of the previous criteria, as there aren’t 115 proper casinos in Las Vegas to visit. There are around 80 venues people think of as casinos on The Strip and downtown.

There are, however, more than 115 venues we’ll call “gaming establishments,” otherwise known informally as “slot parlors.” Clark County has about 1,500 such places.

There seems to be confusion around the official rules because they currently say only casinos with table games or electronic table games qualify for this record, not slots. We prefer the broader definition that appears to include taverns and bars with bartop games (most notably chains like Dotty’s and PT’s). The folks at Guinness aren’t casino experts, they’re record experts. A lot of people don’t really get the difference between electronic table games and slots. Most bartop machines have table games (like blackjack) on them. Forest for the trees!

Let’s think of it this way: This wasn’t so much breaking a record as setting a new record with a new and more realistic set of rules.

Let's think of it this way: For whatever reason (bribery?), Guinness agreed to totally abandon their strict rules regarding this record, and allowed these two assholes and their casino.org sugar daddies to create entirely new rules on the fly.

It's not just that these guys exceeded the number of casinos with licensed live and electronic table games by 40. It's that they won't list the "casinos" they visited, which raises a lot of doubt regarding how many actual casinos these guys actually patronized, or if they just started hitting a long string of neighborhood bars, gas stations, and supermarkets.

If their list included all 75 normal casinos, plus 40 more such as PT's, Dotty's, an ARCO gas station, etc, then there would still be objections, but not as many. The record would still be bullshit, but at least these guys could say they visited every casino they could, but just tacked on these other establishments. However, the complete lack of a list makes this whole thing smell REALLY funny. By VitalVegas' own admission, there are about 1500 businesses in the greater Vegas area with restricted gaming licenses, which allows them to have 15 or fewer machines, which can include Game King with blackjack.

I will also say that this whole effort was obnoxious from the start. These two dudes aren't gamblers. They're publicity-chasing reality stars, who have set 20 other Guinness Records, including stupid things like "most chopsticks in a beard" (I wish I were joking).

When people like the Mehaffeys attempt to break the record, it's fun to follow because they are longtime established figures in the Vegas gambling community. Here casino.org just paid $4k (plus expenses) to some professional-record-chasing outsiders, and acted as if it were something epic. It's lame and stupid. Nobody cares about two weirdo non-gamblers from another state coming to Vegas to set a casino playing record, especially if it's not done honestly.

I doubt Guiness records cares. It is just a gimmick to sell a book to kids AFAIK. Maybe they used to have a TV show? From that angle they're not going to put much effort into verifying this stuff and anyone who can bring them a wider audience they will likely give a lot of leniency to.

AND if it is seen that these guys did scam it - Guiness might not even want the bad look.

All these sorts of businesses are rent-seeking bullshit. Much like what the BBB has become. Businesses get an A+ with horrible reviews but they just pay off the BBB. BBB reps always popping up trying to shake you down.

What you want to think Guiness is and what it actually is are probably quite different.

It is correct that the Guinness Book of World Records has lowered its standards in recent years. It's not for kids anymore, though. Most kids don't even know what it is, and the whole concept is obsolete in the internet age. It's more of a nostalgic holdout from the past -- something Gen Xers and Boomers would like to revisit every so often.

These guys and casino dot org didn't even scam anything. They pulled whatever shenanigans they did, and then presented it to the Guinness judge, and he rubber stamped it.

They cannot explain why the rules were suddenly (majorly) bent for these two, especially when it was refused for independent record-chasers like the Mehaffeys.

Obviously some shenanigans occurred, and the Guinness judge was in on it.

It might have been as simple as an implied bribe. Perhaps casino dot org paid for the judge to come out to Vegas, and to be present for the ceremony awarding these guys the record. It might have been a wink-wink-nudge-nudge situation where he realized he was being paid to find a reason they can validate the record, and then make sure these two dudes are given the title during the photo op. The whole thing had like 8 sponsors, including Circa. There was probably a good amount of money behind this whole effort, even though the return everyone got from it was very poor, due to the controversy.

And it's also possible that it's what you suggested -- that Guinness or the judge didn't accept any form of bribe, but that they saw this as a publicity stunt, and therefore needed to bend to make it all work.

Whatever the situation, it's shitty. It's not a major scandal, but it's insulting to the Vegas/gambling community, and they deserve to be mocked for it. I'm glad that it backfired.

[accountinquestion]

Yea if they don't sell the books to kids then whoeever owns the IP to the thing is likely in desperate need of revenue.

And fromt here flows a ton of scenarios all fairly similar.

[DGenBen]

Guinness is irrelevant nowadays anyway.

When they started they had real world records like most home runs, longest someone has stayed awake etc.

Some of the actual world records they have now is most snails on a persons face, farthest distance of milk squirted out by an eye, etc.

Pretty much the only people who would care today about Guinness World Records are fags, with maybe the odd dyke & tranny thrown in here or there.

[accountinquestion]

Guinness is irrelevant nowadays anyway.

When they started they had real world records like most home runs, longest someone has stayed awake etc.

Some of the actual world records they have now is most snails on a persons face, farthest distance of milk squirted out by an eye, etc.

Pretty much the only people who would care today about Guinness World Records are fags, with maybe the odd dyke & tranny thrown in here or there.

Did you know both Kewl holds a record (I can't say what) and Redietz is looking to be included in "best recorded historical record of a tout"?

I wouldn't be so quick to be dismissive.

[Dan Druff]

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While you never accepted my offer to visit five casinos you claim have live tables or ETGs that are not on our verified list, one of your group’s new videos includes six slots-only casinos in our data (Bighorn, Longhorn, Molly’s, Railroad Pass, Wildfire Sunset, and at least one Dotty's). Another video shows a contestant inserting cash into a bartop slot machine (screenshot below), which demolishes any claim that slots were not played.

It is time to admit they played slots. Should the 2017 record holders lose their title because Casino Dot Org padded totals with slots that everyone agreed going in don’t qualify?

Sixteen days later, Guinness has not announced this in a PR, AFAIK, and still lists the 2017 team as the current record holders on its website. That seems like a tell.

The last part is the most interesting.

Guinness has apparently divorced themselves from this. They won't disavow this "record" they certified at the time it occurred, but they also don't seem to be replacing the old 2017 record on their site, nor have they made their usual PR announcement about a new record being set. Instead, they seem to have gone quiet in the 2 weeks since, as they're clearly aware of the controversy and likely want to avoid further embarrassment.

If they publicly disavow the record, they look stupid for certifying it in the first place.

If they post the new record on their website and/or make a PR announcement, people will find the controversy, and it will make them look bad (and shady!)

So it seems like they're taking the "ignore it and the matter will go away" route.

If that's the way things stand, this will be a win. Why?


1) The 2017 record will rightfully stand.

2) casino.org's shady attempt to push this onto the community backfired spectacularly, and they ended up looking like clowns.

3) Those two asshole reality stars won't end up holding this gambling record -- which they shouldn't, because it's invalid, and they are community outsiders who tried to pull shenanigans to take it.

[mcap]

You people aren't getting it. These Vital Vegas, wannabee record-setters, and their so-called fans aren't from the Greatest Generation or Boomers. They're not tough-as-nails, no-nonsense, tell-it-like-it-is pace-setters and just-get-it-done forward-chargers. They're the under 60 crowd, where everybody lies, everybody fabricates, & everybody embellishes etc. just because they know they don't measure up, they can't handle being seen as being "not all that", and all those wimpy participation trophies their mommies and community leaders bestowed upon them along the way just aren't gonna cut it with the social media trolls these days--ready to mock failure within minutes of someone dropping the ball.

Why someone would give two shits about what some safe space-seeking bullshitters claim about running around LV like two morons trying to get attention and gain relevance under obvious false pretenses--something exceedingly common with these underachieving keyboard warriors and metro-sexual girly men and Bad Bunny crooners--is even more of a waste of time.

Is any of it REALLY as important to you as you are displaying here? I know it's not gonna sour the skim milk I put in my grape nuts & fresh blueberries this morning, and it sure won't make me not enjoy my salad and ravioli tonight. But I sense you folks are letting it cause undue stress, which leads to hypertension, lowered immunity levels, and other kew-like illnesses.

Get. A. Grip.

Long winded way of calling your daughter a loser