Note to Todd / Dan Druff

[kewlJ]

So you are not distinguishing between lies about relatively minor details (for obvious reasons) and someone who's entire gambling claims are lies. 10's of millions of dollars won playing rated with no counter-measures or heat and casino personal just adoring him, Millions won over a few days, half million in one day, playing rated, no countermeasures. $100-$10,000 spreads counting cards for 10 straight hours, at one of the sweatiest places in Vegas

Dan Druff has repeatedly calling one a liar, while narry a word about the other. It is pretty clear what is happening here. Boz has suggested Dawg has paid Druff off like he did with Wizard. I don't know if that is the case, but it is pretty clear Druff has decides to put his thumb on the scale.

It is also obvious Dan Druff does not want me here. He doesn't want to ban me because he is the free speech guy, and that would look bad, but he would like to drive me from VCT. I have endured a lot of trolling and attacks from the trolls and haters. But I am NOT going to take it from the owner of the forum and continue to contribute to the forum.

[Rob.Singer]

So you are not distinguishing between lies about relatively minor details (for obvious reasons) and someone who's entire gambling claims are lies. 10's of millions of dollars won playing rated with no counter-measures or heat and casino personal just adoring him, Millions won over a few days, half million in one day, playing rated, no countermeasures. $100-$10,000 spreads counting cards for 10 straight hours, at one of the sweatiest places in Vegas

Dan Druff has repeatedly calling one a liar, while narry a word about the other. It is pretty clear what is happening here. Boz has suggested Dawg has paid Druff off like he did with Wizard. I don't know if that is the case, but it is pretty clear Druff has decides to put his thumb on the scale.

It is also obvious Dan Druff does not want me here. He doesn't want to ban me because he is the free speech guy, and that would look bad, but he would like to drive me from VCT. I have endured a lot of trolling and attacks from the trolls and haters. But I am NOt going to take it from the owner of the forum and continue to contribute to the forum.

Wake up and smell the urine again kew: everybody knows every post you make has lies in them, ESPECIALLY the posts filled with your denials. And Dan never said he doesn't want you here. Like I've said--you, your phony stories, your concocted internet forums pro bj counting life, your longass uneducated rants that ramble on, your bevy of lies etc. etc. etc. are pure gold entertainment.

In other words--you're a WANKER ! waaa....waaa....

[MDawg]

But I am NOT going to take it from the owner of the forum and continue to contribute to the forum.

Are we talking about a FAREWELL, Randolph?

[Rob.Singer]

But I am NOT going to take it from the owner of the forum and continue to contribute to the forum.

Are we talking about a FAREWELL, Randolph?

Kew is a perpetual liar and an undisciplined gutless weakling, who's only tolerable life is on internet gambling forums because he's such a out-&-out failure in real life.

What you YOU think?

[jdaewoo]

Did this retard just call someone a liar?

The retard who pretended to win a 1.5M jackpot in someone's basement?

The retard who pretends he can afford an RV?

[Dan Druff]

So you are not distinguishing between lies about relatively minor details (for obvious reasons) and someone who's entire gambling claims are lies. 10's of millions of dollars won playing rated with no counter-measures or heat and casino personal just adoring him, Millions won over a few days, half million in one day, playing rated, no countermeasures. $100-$10,000 spreads counting cards for 10 straight hours, at one of the sweatiest places in Vegas

Dan Druff has repeatedly calling one a liar, while narry a word about the other. It is pretty clear what is happening here. Boz has suggested Dawg has paid Druff off like he did with Wizard. I don't know if that is the case, but it is pretty clear Druff has decides to put his thumb on the scale.

It is also obvious Dan Druff does not want me here. He doesn't want to ban me because he is the free speech guy, and that would look bad, but he would like to drive me from VCT. I have endured a lot of trolling and attacks from the trolls and haters. But I am NOT going to take it from the owner of the forum and continue to contribute to the forum.

Lol

I have deleted a ton of MDawg’s posts lately which were bashing you.

If he paid me, he’s not getting his money’s worth.

[AxelWolf]

So you are not distinguishing between lies about relatively minor details (for obvious reasons) and someone who's entire gambling claims are lies. 10's of millions of dollars won playing rated with no counter-measures or heat and casino personal just adoring him, Millions won over a few days, half million in one day, playing rated, no countermeasures. $100-$10,000 spreads counting cards for 10 straight hours, at one of the sweatiest places in Vegas

Dan Druff has repeatedly calling one a liar, while narry a word about the other. It is pretty clear what is happening here. Boz has suggested Dawg has paid Druff off like he did with Wizard. I don't know if that is the case, but it is pretty clear Druff has decides to put his thumb on the scale.

It is also obvious Dan Druff does not want me here. He doesn't want to ban me because he is the free speech guy, and that would look bad, but he would like to drive me from VCT. I have endured a lot of trolling and attacks from the trolls and haters. But I am NOT going to take it from the owner of the forum and continue to contribute to the forum.

Lol

I have deleted a ton of MDawg’s posts lately which were bashing you.

If he paid me, he’s not getting his money’s worth.

Nice cover play.

[Keystone]

But I am NOT going to take it from the owner of the forum and continue to contribute to the forum.

Are we talking about a FAREWELL, Randolph?

[MisterV]

2) I take the user privacy on my forums very seriously. I will never give out personal information, email addresses, IP addresses, or anything else unless there is a court order or warrant to do so. I will not cooperate with any civil subpoenas for such info, and will fight any attempt to get such info this way. The only exceptions involve people who have credible allegations of having committed mid-level-or-worse crimes (including scamming), or those who have maliciously harassed or harmed me or this forum (trolling/bashing me doesn't count, nor does mundane breakages of forum rules resulting in a ban). For everyone else, I will fight very hard to keep personal info private.

While I have only had one similar case early in the life of the internet I am far from expert, but I submit the following purely for shits and giggles: I think it is "probably" accurate.

Let's say MDawg files a defamation action in KJ in California, and that he has the money to take it where ever it may lead.

His silk stocking attorney, a specialist in internet cases, issues a subpoena in the originating California court requiring you / your provider (if then known) to disclose info as to KJ's identity and location, i.e. his internet address, and also the identity of the host of your board, if not readily apparent.

MDawg's mouthpiece, clever barrister that he is, then follows the steps set forth in The Uniform Interstate Depositions and Discovery Act (UIDDA) to have a subpoena issued from a Nevada court.

How it works: An out-of-state attorney who has a valid subpoena from their home state can submit it to the clerk of a Nevada court to get a subpoena issued by that Nevada court. The Nevada court clerk then issues a local subpoena for service on the Nevada-based person or company.

The subpoena is then served.

Now here's where it gets murky for me: I don't know whether serving you and your host, standing alone, would allow the lawyer to learn KJ's actual physical address; if not then a new subpoena would be issued directing the entity (which you / your host would have to identify pursuant to the subpoena) which actually hosts KJ's internet account to provide his address for service of legal process.

The second subpoena, if needed, is then served.

Note: I doubt that your host / provider would dare to fight any valid civil subpoena: why would they care about your interest in protecting others?

The law is the law.

Failure to comply with a validly domesticated subpoena can result in consequences such as contempt of court, fines, or other penalties

Dan, I'm sort of "talking out my ass" on this one, but I think I've laid out how you cannot "protect" anyone once The Law comes calling; I apologize for any misstatements / errors made as this is NOT my forte: I retired years ago and had little experience in this field, just that one internet case.

[MDawg]

Except that we already know where the homeless bum dwells. Dwells not lives.

This is the general area:

Nice of you to notice me hon. I came back across this place in my history. Keeping an eye on you. Pretty funny that you are giving the sports guy a hard time about inheriting a house from an ex wife when the only reason you have your place is because of your ex. It isn't the swanky place you portray but at least it was a half decent place. The best thing being that it was so close to La Bonita that you love. Tell the people where it is on the East side. Or maybe I will Jayvee. I heard things have not went so well with Raul. I can't say you didn't deserve it baby. I also heard you were sucking ant eaters on Sahara now. Things not going so good are they.

If nothing else, this exercise proves that SeedValue did indeed investigate UNKewlJ. That IP address he gave me is indeed UNKewlJ's, it's not just a coincidence that it is from Cox, the ISP UNKewl claims she uses, and geolocates to that shady area of Vegas. UNKewlJ doesn't even deny that it is his IP, just tries to claim that it doesn't mean what it does.

Besides making perfect sense, seedvalue's investigation established that UnKewlJ is a male prostitute, and MaxPen and others' sightings of UNKewlJ in the presence of a sugar daddy type affirmed it.

Plus, perhaps the greatest affirmation of all, soon after the truth with all its back up broke UNKewlJ disavowed the existence of his deceased soul male sugar daddy. When have we known UNKewlJ to disavow (such as when he claimed he was not even gay, admitted that he lied about the lawsuit, changed around his OSN database story, altered details of the $50. freeplay $100K hit, changed his college dropout story, etc.) other than when the heat is on and the hounds have him by the tail.

[smurgerburger]

So KJ, not to be upstaged by redietz, has announced his own dramatic exit mere days after the bombshell dropped by the former?

It's going to be a slow 1-2 weeks.

[MisterV]

Addendum to my post above about subpoenas:

The analysis would apply only if MDawg didn't know what state KJ lives in, i.e. let's say he wanted to go after keystone or another anonymous poster whose location is unknown to him.

KJ lives in LV, so the hound should be able to file a defamation action initially in Nevada, KJ's home state, instead of filing first in California, which I assume to be the hound's home state.

He'd then have his attorney issue a subpoena out of the Clark County court without the extra step / hassle.

[MDawg]

The ever changing “MGM execs story”:

Https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post178543
Original story: I matched him! I know his name! And I promise I will disclose his name and all personal identifying information. That's how I matched him.

I promise that I am going to post the information for ALL to SEE. I will have no problem revealing everything, right down to his Tax ID number (substitute for SS #) and DoB.

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post178486

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...490#post178490
Revised story: I never knew his name, when did I ever say that? I just matched him based on that it must have been the guy.

As for Mdawg, no one ever provided me with personal information about him. Not a name, not an address. certainly not bank statements of financial information. And I never suggested that.

There just aren't than many players playing at that level, that basically lived at the casinos for 7 months, so there is virtually no possibility the info was of the wrong guys.

You think you've proven your case??? Absolute delusion.
To prove a case you must submit proof. But you never have and never will, remember?

Gentlemen, at this point I'm starting to think kewl is possibly bipolar. When these people are in a manic state they are often delusional.

[jdaewoo]

This retard is a closeted homosexual.

[Dan Druff]

2) I take the user privacy on my forums very seriously. I will never give out personal information, email addresses, IP addresses, or anything else unless there is a court order or warrant to do so. I will not cooperate with any civil subpoenas for such info, and will fight any attempt to get such info this way. The only exceptions involve people who have credible allegations of having committed mid-level-or-worse crimes (including scamming), or those who have maliciously harassed or harmed me or this forum (trolling/bashing me doesn't count, nor does mundane breakages of forum rules resulting in a ban). For everyone else, I will fight very hard to keep personal info private.

While I have only had one similar case early in the life of the internet I am far from expert, but I submit the following purely for shits and giggles: I think it is "probably" accurate.

Let's say MDawg files a defamation action in KJ in California, and that he has the money to take it where ever it may lead.

His silk stocking attorney, a specialist in internet cases, issues a subpoena in the originating California court requiring you / your provider (if then known) to disclose info as to KJ's identity and location, i.e. his internet address, and also the identity of the host of your board, if not readily apparent.

MDawg's mouthpiece, clever barrister that he is, then follows the steps set forth in The Uniform Interstate Depositions and Discovery Act (UIDDA) to have a subpoena issued from a Nevada court.

How it works: An out-of-state attorney who has a valid subpoena from their home state can submit it to the clerk of a Nevada court to get a subpoena issued by that Nevada court. The Nevada court clerk then issues a local subpoena for service on the Nevada-based person or company.

The subpoena is then served.

Now here's where it gets murky for me: I don't know whether serving you and your host, standing alone, would allow the lawyer to learn KJ's actual physical address; if not then a new subpoena would be issued directing the entity (which you / your host would have to identify pursuant to the subpoena) which actually hosts KJ's internet account to provide his address for service of legal process.

The second subpoena, if needed, is then served.

Note: I doubt that your host / provider would dare to fight any valid civil subpoena: why would they care about your interest in protecting others?

The law is the law.

Failure to comply with a validly domesticated subpoena can result in consequences such as contempt of court, fines, or other penalties

Dan, I'm sort of "talking out my ass" on this one, but I think I've laid out how you cannot "protect" anyone once The Law comes calling; I apologize for any misstatements / errors made as this is NOT my forte: I retired years ago and had little experience in this field, just that one internet case.

Well I have zero legal training, but I don't believe I can be automatically compelled to give up any IP/email info via a civil subpoena. They can try, but I can fight it, citing user privacy concerns. Otherwise anyone can get anyone else's info from any online platform by just filing a bogus suit, subpoenaing the target's info, and then dropping the suit.

My point is that I would fight any attempt to do this. I wouldn't just hand the stuff over.

I would not refuse any US-based court order. Once that were to occur, yes, I'd have to give it.

I should note that I do not have kewlJ's physical address nor real name, so there's nothing to give on that front. IP addresses can be connected to physical addresses, but only via kewlJ's ISP. I am not sure how the ISPs treat this. I'm assuming they don't give any of this up unless they get a law enforcement request, or a court order.

[MisterV]

The subpoena would ultimately be seeking his IP, and it would be provided by his ISP, not you.

But the subpoena would be issued to you for you to give to your message board host, unless counsel can determine that ahead of time in which case you'd probably not be involved.

Failure to cooperate voluntarily would result in them filing a motion to compel: they'd win and the objector would be ordered to pay their attorney fees and costs.

[Dan Druff]

The subpoena would ultimately be seeking his IP, and it would be provided by his ISP, not you.

But the subpoena would be issued to you for you to give to your message board host, unless counsel can determine that ahead of time in which case you'd probably not be involved.

Failure to cooperate voluntarily would result in them filing a motion to compel: they'd win and the objector would be ordered to pay their attorney fees and costs.

Oh.... I think you're confused about something.

There is no "message board host". I am the message board host. In fact, that's how I became an admin here in the first place.

Here is my timeline on Alanbestbuys/Vegascasinotalk:

March 2013: I show up as a regular user to talk about the Caesars Total Rewards program.

Mid-2013: I notice a ton of spam and other technical issues here. I then come to realize that Alan doesn't even have email verification turned on, because his message board host is so shitty that it got its IPs blocked from most mail servers.

October 2013: I offer to Alan to move the entire forum to my PFA server, and to technically administrate it going forward, while leaving the actual forum moderation to him. In exchange, he agrees to pay a very nominal sum of money to help contribute to the cost of the PFA server. I do this, and keep to my end of the bargain. I wipe out all of the spam, turn on email verification, and basically solve all of the technical problems here.

February 2016: Alan calls me and says he wants to shut down the forum (due to someone making legal threats against him regarding the forum -- how ironic!) I tell Alan that I enjoy the forum and don't want it shut down, and offer to take it off his hands. He agrees, and gives it to me (because he was otherwise turning it off anyway), under the condition that I change the URL and name of it. That's how VegasCasinoTalk was born. He announces that the forum was "sold" to me, but in reality it was sold for $0.

November 2022: Alan passes away. Had this transfer not occurred, the forum would likely be gone anyway, even if he hadn't taken it down in 2016.



Anyway, I answer to no host. I lease a bare metal machine (meaning it's a physical unit and I'm not sharing it with anyone else) to host all of my sites. The buck stops with me.

[Dan Druff]

I should add something else.

I'm a tech guy myself. That's what I was before I got into the world of poker.

I have a Master's Degree in Computer Science, and worked in that industry through 2003.

That's why the people attempting to attack this forum (weirdos from WoV, spammers, etc) have been completely shut down. Remember that one guy who didn't like that some dude named "LarryS" registered here, and demanded I ban him, or he was going to spam/harass my forum until I capitulated?

I told the guy to eat shit, and I banned him. Then he was trying to make good on his threats, registering accounts and trying to dox LarryS, while spamming this forum. I very quickly shut off his ability to register accounts here. He was dumbfounded, because registration was still turned on, everyone else could make accounts and instantly post once they verified email, but his attempts to register were all thwarted. He tried hundreds of times and couldn't figure out how I was doing it. He tried VPNs, proxies, and all kinds of other ways. Eventually he gave up. I guess he might have gotten some minor satisfaction that he did cause LarryS to voluntarily run off anyway, even though I refused to ban him. But the guy disappeared because his attempts to destroy the forum (or even inconvenience it) were met with utter failure.

I wrote custom mods into the software to look for certain "signs" it was him, and then ban his new accounts before he could finish registration.

Anyway, I don't need no stinkin' message board host.

[MisterV]

I probably wasn't clear, given I am a non-techie Luddite who knows and wants to know little about how this stuff works.

By "host" I mean the person or entity which collects and stores the postings from and the ISP's of all who post on your board.

The message board host is the person or entity which a subpoena can compel to release the ISP of the target.

I went to google / AI, it said: "A message board can be hosted by a variety of entities and systems, including
commercial hosting companies, specialized forum hosting sites, individuals, and software platforms."

If you do it yourself then yes, it would be directed to you only, apparently, which is unfortunate as nobody else will be there to help you "fight" your losing battle: you'll almost certainly want to "lawyer up" unless you choose to go pro se.

Good luck, you'll need it when and if the time comes.

[mickeycrimm]

Redietz has always followed Bob Dancer and Jean Scott closely. Both are fictitious names. He even publicly thanked Jean Scott for her work. So his talk about using real names is bullshit. He wants real names so he can fuck with you. Only reason.