Note to Todd / Dan Druff

[AxelWolf]

Redietz has always followed Bob Dancer and Jean Scott closely. Both are fictitious names. He even publicly thanked Jean Scott for her work. So his talk about using real names is bullshit. He wants real names so he can fuck with you. Only reason.

Legitimate Advantage players and Pro Sports betters generally don't want to use their real name when talking about Advantage play stuff, including sports or whatever it might be, as it leaves admitted evidence of what you're doing, and that you're winning with a legitimate strategy and an advantage. It can come back to haunt you.

However, if you're not really winning, then I guess it doesn't matter.

The fact that Red chose to use his real name was nothing more than a gimmick to entice investors and to tout. A good salesman would say," It's okay, I'm using my real name, I must use it legit because you know a lot of those other guys don't use their real name when they're trying to screw you."

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[Dan Druff]

I probably wasn't clear, given I am a non-techie Luddite who knows and wants to know little about how this stuff works.

By "host" I mean the person or entity which collects and stores the postings from and the ISP's of all who post on your board.

The message board host is the person or entity which a subpoena can compel to release the ISP of the target.

I went to google / AI, it said: "A message board can be hosted by a variety of entities and systems, including
commercial hosting companies, specialized forum hosting sites, individuals, and software platforms."

If you do it yourself then yes, it would be directed to you only, apparently, which is unfortunate as nobody else will be there to help you "fight" your losing battle: you'll almost certainly want to "lawyer up" unless you choose to go pro se.

Good luck, you'll need it when and if the time comes.

Yes, I'm the host. I don't own the physical machine where this site resides, but I lease it and they basically give me free reign of the full machine and the internet connection to it, and I'm the one who maintains everything, including all the server logs. They only get involved when there's a physical hardware failure of some kind.

As I mentioned earlier, I will fight any attempts anyone makes to subpoena information from this or the PFA forum. I will only comply with US-based court orders or warrants. And in the case of law enforcement requests, I'll use my best judgment regarding the level of cooperation. (If it seems the person is credibly accused of a crime, I'll probably give it up.)

In the case of redietz, I don't understand the big deal. Nobody cares whether or not he owns his house. I definitely don't.

[accountinquestion]

Redietz has always followed Bob Dancer and Jean Scott closely. Both are fictitious names. He even publicly thanked Jean Scott for her work. So his talk about using real names is bullshit. He wants real names so he can fuck with you. Only reason.

Yes. 100%. This was pointed out to me some time ago - the theory that he just wants leverage over people.

In some ways he seems honest in other ways he seems like a creep.

Axel also makes very solid points.

[Dan Druff]

Redietz has always followed Bob Dancer and Jean Scott closely. Both are fictitious names. He even publicly thanked Jean Scott for her work. So his talk about using real names is bullshit. He wants real names so he can fuck with you. Only reason.

Legitimate Advantage players and Pro Sports betters generally don't want to use their real name when talking about Advantage play stuff, including sports or whatever it might be, as it leaves admitted evidence of what you're doing, and that you're winning with a legitimate strategy and an advantage. It can come back to haunt you.

However, if you're not really winning, then I guess it doesn't matter.

The fact that Red chose to use his real name was nothing more than a gimmick to entice investors and to tout. A good salesman would say," It's okay, I'm using my real name, I must use it legit because you know a lot of those other guys don't use their real name when they're trying to screw you."

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Some sportsbettors do not engage in typical AP stuff, so they don't have much to hide. Some of the most successful sportsbettors have been public with their name, especially because they've already been severely limited by all books in town, so at that point there's no point to hide their skill. In many cases, they can leverage their success into tout services, seminars, or promotional opportunities. Such publicity also makes it easier to enter bearding arrangements with high-limit degens, who are more willing to trust them. Note that bearding is legal, but it can get tricky when the degen doesn't stick to the plan and shoots off the profits.

[MisterV]

As I mentioned earlier, I will fight any attempts anyone makes to subpoena information from this or the PFA forum. I will only comply with US-based court orders or warrants. And in the case of law enforcement requests, I'll use my best judgment regarding the level of cooperation. (If it seems the person is credibly accused of a crime, I'll probably give it up.)

I cannot imagine a scenario where you'd be requested to respond to a subpoena duces tecum (or its equivalent) issued by a court in Nigeria, for example: certainly you should ignore such an attempt.

I believe that there is a process for foreign litigants to follow but it involves having a new subpoena issued in the USA, in your case in a Nevada court, similar to how an out of state subpoena would be reissued.

As for criminal cases: other than the subpoena specifying the information requested I wonder whether you have a right to be told anything about the state's motivation / likely criminal charge?

Again, this is not an area of law I am familiar with, but what if they are investigating and no charges have yet been filed?

What if it's a matter of National Security?

My point: it may not be easy or even possible to protect anybody without putting yourself in harm's way / stepping into a pile of dung; you should definitely consult with an attorney who is up to speed on such matters before taking action.

[Dan Druff]

As I mentioned earlier, I will fight any attempts anyone makes to subpoena information from this or the PFA forum. I will only comply with US-based court orders or warrants. And in the case of law enforcement requests, I'll use my best judgment regarding the level of cooperation. (If it seems the person is credibly accused of a crime, I'll probably give it up.)

I cannot imagine a scenario where you'd be requested to respond to a subpoena duces tecum (or its equivalent) issued by a court in Nigeria, for example: certainly you should ignore such an attempt.

I believe that there is a process for foreign litigants to follow but it involves having a new subpoena issued in the USA, in your case in a Nevada court, similar to how an out of state subpoena would be reissued.

As for criminal cases: other than the subpoena specifying the information requested I wonder whether you have a right to be told anything about the state's motivation / likely criminal charge?

Again, this is not an area of law I am familiar with, but what if they are investigating and no charges have yet been filed?

What if it's a matter of National Security?

My point: it may not be easy or even possible to protect anybody without putting yourself in harm's way / stepping into a pile of dung; you should definitely consult with an attorney who is up to speed on such matters before taking action.

Many years ago, I was requested by law enforcement to talk to them about a certain situation, not involving me. I had that conversation, and answered their questions honestly.

They asked me for the identity of a certain user on the site, whom they admitted wasn't a suspect, but they wanted his information just for completeness of their investigation. I told them that I took user privacy seriously, and did not want to provide that regarding a non-suspect. The law enforcement agent responded, "Yes, I understand. However, we will probably be sending you a subpoena for this information, at which point we expect you to give it to us." I told them that I would cooperate with a subpoena, but until I received one, I really didn't want to provide that user's identity.

I never received the subpoena, so I never gave it. They proceeded with the case and got an arrest and guilty plea without this otherwise useless piece of information.