KJ BJ expert?

[kewlJ]

You have left, or are leaving, or you go play VP rated for 6 hours, accumulating or cashing in millions of dollars of freeplay.

And the trolls just keep TRYING.

This is precisely why my partner handled the VP machine play, or most of it anyway, so there could be no tracking me to a machine and information.

On the occasions I handled some of the machine play, I rarely mixed blackjack and machine play at the same casino on the same day. Admittedly, several times I did mix, but would separate the two plays with lunch or a period of time, so if anyone was tracking me, they would have had to really put some effort into it. And if I did mix the two with say a break for lunch in between, it would be because the blackjack session was rather uneventful. I would NEVER go play a machine in the same day after a BJ session that was "eventful" and might draw some attention.

You people have played your games for years....decades now. I have MORE than proven over and over, what I do. And still you can't accept it and troll. At some point I would think you would decide "yeah, I guess the guy is what he says. I don't like him, but he knows what he is talking about".

But that isn't the troll way is it?

[coach belly]

I have a general run that I don't want start a session with less than 15 x max bet. 20 is even better.

My max bet is between $800 and $1200

This means that you are sitting down with between $12K and $24K to start a session.

And that kind of opening stack keeps you under the radar?

How many casinos are you hitting each night?

Are you laying out cash, or pulling out chips from your inventory?

Either way you'll need to be carrying up to $120K in cash and chips to play at 5 tables per visit.

LOL. Is my math correct?

[kewlJ]

I have a general run that I don't want start a session with less than 15 x max bet. 20 is even better.

My max bet is between $800 and $1200

This means that you are sitting down with between $12K and $24K to start a session.

And that kind of opening stack keeps you under the radar?

How many casinos are you hitting each night?

Are you laying out cash, or pulling out chips from your inventory?

Either way you'll need to be carrying up to $120K in cash and chips to play at 5 tables per visit.

LOL. Is my math correct?

I am NOT going to answer these kinds of identifying questions Dip Shit Belly.

But congratulations on being able to do some grade school math.

[coach belly]

This is precisely why my partner handled the VP machine play, or most of it anyway, so there could be no tracking me to a machine and information.

But your partner was using your card (among others) to play, correct?

And he would still need to put more than 30 minutes play on the machine, right?

How did you get to the next stop if he was playing VP for hours after you exited your game?

[kewlJ]

In MOST cases my partner was playing machines rated, on a couple accounts WHILE I was playing blackjack unrated. What is so hard to figure out about that?

And yes of course there were times....many actually, that our plays didn't end exactly the same time and there would be a few minutes of waiting for the other.

This shit seems pretty obvious to me, I don't know why you are having so much trouble with such simple things. You just keep searching and searching for something that isn't there.

[coach belly]

I am NOT going to answer these kinds of identifying questions

My questions use info you've provided.

You already answered them by "sharing" your experiences.

That's what's so laugh-out-loud funny...your claim that putting a $24K bankroll on the felt goes unnoticed, especially when you bolt in 30min without touching most of your stack.

[coach belly]

there would be a few minutes of waiting for the other.

You just wrote that you needed to be out of the casino in 30 minutes.

I needed to be out after 30 minutes

That's not enough time to run enough of a wager through multiple cards to earn millions in FP.

[kewlJ]

your claim that putting a $24K bankroll on the felt goes unnoticed.

LOL. THIS statement shows what a complete idiot you are.

Why on earth would somebody sit down and plop their entire BR on the felt? OMG! you are an idiot.

My BR actually consists of chips and cash, not just cash as I have shared many times. (Chip inventory). I like to enter the game with just a handful of chips. Cash doesn't make an appearance until the count has risen. And it is possible if you have won with the initial chips you entered with, you NEVER have to go to cash.

BUT if you do have to buy in for more (cash), that is fine. just looks like a player that lost and is buying in for more. And if your wagers are a little bigger after that cash buy-in that is very natural too. A player betting a little bigger (chasing loses).

No matter how many buy-ins I may make they are always relatively small.as in just a couple max bets.

Let me ask you this Belly. What do you think it says if a player were to sit down and buy in for a large amount, lets say $8000 and then first wager is a waiting bet of $100 or $200. Do you think that is natural? What THAT says to the pit is this guy is going to be betting bigger at some later point. Couldn't be a bigger "tell" if you tattooed 'card counter' on your forehead.

I am not going to answer anymore fishing questions from you belly. You need to accept that I know what the fuck I am talking about and what the fuck I am doing. EVERY single thing I do has a reason and is planned out. NOTHING happens by accident. Preparation is one of the two keys to success. Success occurs when preparation meets opportunity.

That is not mine, but something worth remembering and implementing in life.

[coach belly]

Why on earth would somebody sit down and plop their entire BR on the felt?

Have you ever seen a player draw a marker at the table?

Don't all the chips get passed to him on the table?

Why are you asking about your entire BR? Do you carry your entire BR around with you?

Whatever you bet is laid on the felt by you.

if you do have to buy in for more (cash), that is fine. just looks like a player that lost and is buying in for more.

Doesn't buying in for cash draw attention? Isn't the cash buy-in announced?

Do they announce your chip stack when you sit down with chips?

Don't they see and know when you take ratholed chips out to play during a hand, or between hands?

[coach belly]

What do you think it says if a player were to sit down and buy in for a large amount, lets say $8000 and then first wager is a waiting bet of $100 or $200. Do you think that is natural? What THAT says to the pit is this guy is going to be betting bigger at some later point. Couldn't be a bigger "tell" if you tattooed 'card counter' on your forehead

Of course that is natural. Players draw markers and start small all the time. Players buy in for 10K and start small too. That doesn't identify them as a counter off the bat.

But if they refuse to play rated or identify themselves, then that would be a tell.

What the fuck are you talking about tattooed on your forehead? You're a fraud.

[kewlJ]

Doesn't buying in for cash draws attention? Isn't the cash buy-in announced?

Do they announce your chip stack when you sit down with chips?

Don't they see and know when you take ratholed chips out to play during a hand, or between hands?

It is true that a chip inventory and entering with a handful of chips isn't as effective at higher limits as it is when betting green, as the pit is trying to keep track of the rack.

A player sitting down with chips does NOT mean he ratholed chips. Many player just switch tables, for whatever reason (some voodoo). They take their chips with them and sit down and play.

I always suspected you were associated with the casino industry. Every so often you prove it because you have the typical casino mentality, not to mention anti-AP attitude. Totally explains you despising APs that win by playing with an advantage and pretty much "promote" gamblers like dawg and Singer. Those are the kind of players the casinos LOVE.

Now I am going to watch a little football before I head out to dinner later. Feel free to troll among yourselves.

[coach belly]

A player sitting down with chips does NOT mean he ratholed chips.

When a player sits down with chips, the pit notes how much he has on the table...especially black and above.

If he starts pulling out black+ chips from his pocket, they note that too.

He may not have put the chips in his pocket to deceive the pit, but if a pocket is the rathole, then chips in the pocket are ratholed.

When he starts pulling chips out of his pocket to increase his bet, then he is using ratholed chips.

[MDawg]

The entire forum knows you have an issue with pathological lying.

you can't help but insert fibs into your postings

UNKewlJ constantly contradicts herself on both bet amounts, and buy ins. Impossible to buy in for thousands in cash anyway anywhere near that figure she has mentioned before of $8000. without having full personal identifying information on file at the casino cage. As buy in nears the thousands, pit bosses will send the player to the cage. This would have happened everywhere by now, if UNKewlJ's story were anywhere near factual.

Alternatively, the MaxPen, A.Wolf and other APs witnessed UNKewl play for mere red and green chips, would not have resulted in mandatory KYC verification.

[kewlJ]

A player sitting down with chips does NOT mean he ratholed chips.

When a player sits down with chips, the pit notes how much he has on the table...especially black and above.

If he starts pulling out black+ chips from his pocket, they note that too.

He may not have put the chips in his pocket to deceive the pit, but if a pocket is the rathole, then chips in the pocket are ratholed.

When he starts pulling chips out of his pocket to increase his bet, then he is using ratholed chips.

Spoken just like a casino employee, with casino mentality.

Ratholing is an advantage play technique, used to make winning sessions appear smaller and losing sessions appear bigger. It is a technique that I don't recommend and only use myself in very specific circumstances, because consequences can be worse that the benefit.

A non-AP, regular player can NOT be ratholing. If a regular player openly puts away some chips into his pockets as incentive to not play them, that is NOT rat-holing. Only a casino or someone who works for the casinos would equate the two.

[kewlJ]

UNKewlJ constantly contradicts herself on both bet amounts, and buy ins. Impossible to buy in for thousands in cash anyway anywhere near that figure she has mentioned before of $8000. without having full personal identifying information on file at the casino cage. As buy in nears the thousands, pit bosses will send the player to the cage. This would have happened everywhere by now, if UNKewlJ's story were anywhere near factual.

GOOD try dawg. REALLY good try. Good boy....you deserve a dog treat and pat on the head.

THIS is exactly why we don't plop down $8000 on the table as coach belly tried to say. We will make numerous smaller buy-ins, in combination with chip entry (chip inventory) instead. And yes, if you make a few of them, a player will need to present some ID. Better to do so at the cage than table, as it involves an extra step for casinos to put everything together.

Look, not EVERY session raises suspicions to where the casino is trying to identify the player. Most go off without anything that is viewed as abnormal or suspicious in term of the player being an AP. And the ones that do, well all we try to do is minimize those problematic sessions or incidents.

Additionally, there are ways around some of these things, but I will not get into those. Almost every "problem" has a solution or work-around. If there weren't a soution or "workaround" there would be no APs.

[MDawg]

sniff sniff what is that I smell.

[kewlJ]

AND THIS is also where Dawgs entire fabricated story fails. Playing rated along with all the casino/government paperwork involved in playing higher stakes, casinos would know exactly what dawg has won/lost and they would NEVER allow anywhere close to a player winning the amounts he claims (Tens of millions of dollars) over the long length of time (7 years) that he claims. That is all just fantasy-fiction.

ready to amend your little bullshit fable yet Dawg?

Look players can win or beat the casinos long-term. But we have to work at it. I explain some of the techniques involved in that. Dawg just tells a fairytale or winning bizarrely claiming the casinos don't care.

[kewlJ]

sniff sniff what is that I smell.

Probably your own stinky smelly Arab ass. Smells a lot like the intermural fields over at UNLV the day after the rodeo left town (today).

[MDawg]

It doesn't take much to trigger a

10x multiplier response

from this weak willed mentally ill one.

In fairness to MDawg, he has definitely proven more about himself than I understand you to have done.

[MDawg]

The only time I ever used a second account was a couple times on forums that I was not able to post at with my usual name, and I had something specific I wanted to share/warn about like casino cheating. And even then, I quickly let it be known who I was. I never tried to hide or deceive anyone with a sock puppet second account.

Oh God, that's bad. He as Magister said,"Your guy Magister didn't even get into that, as I certainly would have." YIKES!

You literally talked about your Magister sock account as a third person.

At some point you will realize you're dealing with a compulsive liar.