Stations: President vs Chariman

[Rob.Singer]

This would be of great help to everybody here Jason:

There are some who say they fully understand, in theory, how gambling math works, but in practicality they do not. Posting pictures of large winners elicits praise from many, but the truth is they really do loathe the fact that you are hitting these biggies when all they do is lose trying. So my question to you is--you've play many thousands upon thousands of vp hands this year, and you've played at least that in past years. ARE YOU AHEAD OR BEHIND this year, and are you ahead or behind lifetime?

I ask because it's obvious most who "congratulate" your winners also comfort themselves by pretending you lose overall because you play -EV games. I however know thru my own experience that winning longterm playing ANY reasonable vp games is possible....and it's possible because the math SAYS it's possible for a small number of players, unique or not.

A small number of Doubting Thomases will claim no one can win long-term playing -EV vp games. How have you fared?

[DGenBen]

Sometimes when you win, you really lose, and sometimes when you lose, you really win, and sometimes when you win or lose, you actually tie, and sometimes when you tie, you actually win or lose. Winning or losing is all one organic mechanism, from which one extracts what one needs.

[SLaPiNFuNK]

I hear ya. Going to be cold (40 degrees) anyway tonight. Easily coldest night of the year or since last Jan. Not that it matters in casinos.

I'll go again next year when I have the right offers I can stack.

Jason, you DO realize that even with that nice looking collection of winners, you really didn't win anything, right? Playing those -EV games means you're losing money on every hand you play--And when you can't "bank" any of that ev......

Just wondering: how's the California Dept. of Revenue treat W2G wins over there? Do they take out something when you're hand-paid? Do you get to deduct losses like on IRS forms? I know there's some states that allow no losses deducted--they tax you on your signer wins period.

Oh I know! I had no profit at all I lost so much EV playing the 85tdb at Harrah's.

In the current tax year they give you an option to withhold... I do not do that...

[SLaPiNFuNK]

This would be of great help to everybody here Jason:

There are some who say they fully understand, in theory, how gambling math works, but in practicality they do not. Posting pictures of large winners elicits praise from many, but the truth is they really do loathe the fact that you are hitting these biggies when all they do is lose trying. So my question to you is--you've play many thousands upon thousands of vp hands this year, and you've played at least that in past years. ARE YOU AHEAD OR BEHIND this year, and are you ahead or behind lifetime?

I ask because it's obvious most who "congratulate" your winners also comfort themselves by pretending you lose overall because you play -EV games. I however know thru my own experience that winning longterm playing ANY reasonable vp games is possible....and it's possible because the math SAYS it's possible for a small number of players, unique or not.

A small number of Doubting Thomases will claim no one can win long-term playing -EV vp games. How have you fared?

These wins definitely helped get me even for the year of not profit. I'm not keeping track... I play for fun. I'll see on my win loss statements...

I am ahead playing poker (holdem and tournaments), that I keep track of...

I hit a royal last month in Vegas too. I haven't played much VP this year compared to previous.

[kewlJ]

Rob, why do you feel the need to try to drag the younger Mr Mendelson into your voodoo gambling rationale and debate.

First Jason, don't believe Rob. I congratulated you because I am genuinely happy for you, as I am most players whether an AP or playing for a living or NOT.

Second this all boils down to ridiculous statements Rob has made and I guess continues to believe or pretend to believe (not sure which), that a player can play a -EV game, win in the short term, small sample size (which he absolutely can) and then duplicate that over and over and over, overcoming -Ev in the long-term.

the example would be, is it possible to bet black at roulette and win 2 or 3 spins or 5 of 8 spins? of course! Could a player do so over and over and over, overcoming the negative expectation of the game? No.

What Rob is suggesting is voodoo, alternative math. Of course he has "special" less optimal plays that seems to pull the whole thing together because we all know stacking -EV, on top of -EV results in +EV.

Don't let Rob drag you into his alternative world and voodoo thinking. Play the way you want to play, which appears to be for fun and enjoy yourself. And just know that not everyone has some ulterior motive. If I congratulate you on a win like I did, I am genuinely happy for you.

[Rob.Singer]

Rob, why do you feel the need to try to drag the younger Mr Mendelson into your voodoo gambling rationale and debate.

First Jason, don't believe Rob. I congratulated you because I am genuinely happy for you, as I am most players whether an AP or playing for a living or NOT.

Second this all boils down to ridiculous statements Rob has made and I guess continues to believe or pretend to believe (not sure which), that a player can play a -EV game, win in the short term, small sample size (which he absolutely can) and then duplicate that over and over and over, overcoming -Ev in the long-term.

the example would be, is it possible to bet black at roulette and win 2 or 3 spins or 5 of 8 spins? of course! Could a player do so over and over and over, overcoming the negative expectation of the game? No.

What Rob is suggesting is voodoo, alternative math. Of course he has "special" less optimal plays that seems to pull the whole thing together because we all know stacking -EV, on top of -EV results in +EV.

Don't let Rob drag you into his alternative world and voodoo thinking. Play the way you want to play, which appears to be for fun and enjoy yourself. And just know that not everyone has some ulterior motive. If I congratulate you on a win like I did, I am genuinely happy for you.

Too bad kew. He answered while you were jerking off in the shower again to a pic of yourself.

I enjoy watching you keep making a fool out of yourself trying to pretend you know how EV works. And you're really in the same boat as the majority of self-described AP's around LV who, like you, think + means you'll win and - means you'll lose. And yes--longterm and yes-- automatically.

Have you ever heard of the term PROBABILITY? OK, so you really don't understand what it means and how it's applied. How about the Bell Curve? Or Standard Deviation? Instead of studying up on bj as explained by past and present top playing AP's so you can APPEAR to be something you're not on the forums, you should be reading up on the topics you seem to know little about.

Here's a clue: not every gambler falls on one side of the curve. A lucky ducky who plays for fun and loses 8 or 9 thousand every year for 15 years, on his last trip hits another $4k winner. So he does what most gambling addicts do, and runs into the high limit room and plays $5. He rationalizes it's worth a shot. What happens? $10,000 Aces with a kicker happens. Yippie!!

But this is a documented life-long losing gambler (with a problem, and not unlike a good deal of regular casino-goers). HE believes all this good fortune is trying to tell him something. With a nervous grin, he heads over to the $100 vp machine with 8/5 BP. After a bundle of signers he really doesn't want but knows the more that come the better, lightening strikes AGAIN....this time in the form of a $400,000 royal. Suddenly, he's waaay ahead lifetime--a lifetime of playing ten million+ vp hands on single and multi-play machines. What's next? He quits for good, and he holds to his word. He has come out ahead playing almost all -EV games. He has won over the long term. His distribution of denominational play did not, against probability, automatically make him a long-term loser.

I can write an essay about most lottery winners but you get the picture. Not everyone, as you falsely and stubbornly believe due to your concocted online agenda about yourself, ends up on the same side of the bell curve.

But what about Singer you say....he never stopped playing while ahead, so he must be using voodoo! Well kew, here's where a successful short-term strategy maximized to play out that way much deeper into the long-term because of numerous adjustments to everything from special plays to bankroll, comes into play. Super super long term, I wouldn't expect to be ahead, but I wouldn't be much behind (which is a victory in and of itself).

And then there's good old-fashioned luck. Everyone needs it to win, even if your game is at +135%. Do you know how many gamblers there are out there that are ahead lifetime but don't even know what EV is? I don't either, but I acknowledge that they exist--and the math supports that. My good fortune--from playing my strategy and the strategy I use today to discovering and playing the du bug to the super large jackpots I've hit since 2009 all have good luck attached to them, just as my health, my blessed family, my wife of 47+ fabulous years, the incredible dog we have, to my over-achieving in my career....these are things that can easily be defined as being a product of luck,skill, and whatever else this complex universe and life choose to use as catalysts.

Understanding all this isn't difficult. Approaching it with a bias is stupid.

[kewlJ]

Here is what Rob's long post boils down to. Numerous advantage players, who use real math to play with an advantage, understand EV and win, living in Vegas (me) or elsewhere, making a living, and owning property in Vegas or elsewhere don't know what they are doing or how things work. But Rob Singer, genius that he is, who gambled away most of the money him and his wife earned, using some kind of phony alternative math, and now burdens his children in his retirement, does know what he is doing and how things work.

Good one Rob.

As for your wife and 47 year marriage, I don't really care on way or another, but in all likelihood, she just couldn't afford to divorce you closeted ass, as YOU had blown any money there was.

[kewlJ]

God I am tired of fighting with these clowns.

Gambling is about math! REAL math.

Advantage play is most definitely about math. REAL math.

There is no "alternative math".

There is no voodoo bullshit that can overcome the math.

There is no stacking multiple negative expected value concepts that can turn play to plus expected value and overcome the math.

All this shit is fantasy by degenerate type losing players.

If you want to win (long-term), find something REAL that mathematically flips the advantage from house to player. No special plays or magic potions, or betting systems can do that.

End of story!

[Don Perignom]

Rob, are you the new Wizard?

[SLaPiNFuNK]

I'll tell you guys... I try to play full pay as much as possible... I play that 8/5 bonus game if I'm playing... I rarely see fullhouses...

When I was playing that 6/5 bonus game, I lost count of how many full houses I had in a short amount of time... It was wild...

[kewlJ]

I'll tell you guys... I try to play full pay as much as possible... I play that 8/5 bonus game if I'm playing... I rarely see fullhouses...

When I was playing that 6/5 bonus game, I lost count of how many full houses I had in a short amount of time... It was wild...

You don't think that kind of thing could involve selective memory?

[SLaPiNFuNK]

I'll tell you guys... I try to play full pay as much as possible... I play that 8/5 bonus game if I'm playing... I rarely see fullhouses...

When I was playing that 6/5 bonus game, I lost count of how many full houses I had in a short amount of time... It was wild...

You don't think that kind of thing could involve selective memory?

Maybe, but at the same time, every time I get a full house I think of how much more money I'm winning because it is full pay.

I've counted before and it is not many hands...

Maybe this machine was in a "hot cycle," but my biggest "wins" were on non-full pay games...

[Rob.Singer]

I'll tell you guys... I try to play full pay as much as possible... I play that 8/5 bonus game if I'm playing... I rarely see fullhouses...

When I was playing that 6/5 bonus game, I lost count of how many full houses I had in a short amount of time... It was wild...

You don't think that kind of thing could involve selective memory?

Maybe, but at the same time, every time I get a full house I think of how much more money I'm winning because it is full pay.

I've counted before and it is not many hands...

Maybe this machine was in a "hot cycle," but my biggest "wins" were on non-full pay games...

Doesn't matter what you say Jason. If kew doesn't like or understand it he just tells himself you're nuts, wrong, or ignorant, unless you're someone like me--someone who's exposed his lies and lying for years.Then, out of sheer frustration, he first repeats the nonsense he said to you, then concocts his own version of how he wants your life to be like, so he thinks he'll have less tossing and turning each and every night! His failed life and social illnesses & diseases must be VERY difficult to overcome....

It does, however, have it's advantages--which he's always been quite famous for since he never thinks things thru well enuf to not look like a fool. The best part is always knowing he'll be repeating things dozens and dozens of times, as he never seems to comfortably have been able to convince others of his lies.

It is a beautiful thing.

Keep on hitting those winners. They piss him off no end....

[kewlJ]

Singer, why do you have to hijack Slappyfunks thread with your ongoing obsession with me? Aren't there enough other threads for you to lie about me. Let the guy have his thread and share what he wants to share. Some of us are interested.

[Rob.Singer]

Singer, why do you have to hijack Slappyfunks thread with your ongoing obsession with me? Aren't there enough other threads for you to lie about me. Let the guy have his thread and share what he wants to share. Some of us are interested.

You have no interest whatsoever in anything he says other than inserting your underhanded way to cut him down because of the way he plays. His pics irritate you, so the Nervous Nelly in you erupts.

You live your life online kew and he doesn't. And since you're the only one who worries themself to death over what others are saying about you, you spend day & night online--like many other losers in your failed generation. You also fear women, which is why you have no life.

I expect two weeks from now you'll whine about how you had covid YET AGAIN. That--and your inability to ever do anything you say you're gonna do--are why superior people bother the hell out of you.

And I LIKE it!!

[Rob.Singer]

Rob, are you the new Wizard?

Yes....at least to the lowly kew I am.

I talked to Shack, and he really does enjoy how much he bothers kew--especially because of how he afforded mdawg the opportunity to prove himself. You see, kew can't help himself, because he wants to feel as if he's the center of the gambling universe, he wants to be seen (as ALL weak losers do) as the victim in EVERY situation, and he desperately needs everyone to believe there are no other options if others don't buy the BS he's selling. And if he can't get his lies across? He starts up again with his insults about the forum administrator, even though kew has been PROVEN to be an embellisher, a fake storyteller, and a compulsive liar, leading to him being mocked multiple times by the same administrator he always goes crying to.

The bottom line is, kew is a frustrated, unproductive, entitled, and very very bitter representative of his failed generation. That's why he spends so much time online, where in VCT's case he wastes so much time trying to convince people he's something he's not.

You question his credibility? You're anti-gay. You expose his lies? You're a hater. You prove your case that he doesn't agree with? You're a troll. And within a few weeks of his sulking, whining and arguing, he shows up with another poorly thought-out tale that makes him look like the true fool that everyone sees him as.

He is the joke.

[kewlJ]

I am sorry slapinfunk. I tried. But Rob insists on hijacking your thread, with his ongoing obsession. And Dan Druff allows it.

Singer, you have proved NOTHING about me. You have exposed NOTHING about me.

All that happened is when I showed up here and read your stories and claims, first of a progressive wagering system and later the DU bug that you stole, just like everyone on the forum I said "well that can't be'. And what do you know....it wasn't. And it was PROVEN that it wasn't. and if you want to know what real proof looks like....here it is again.

[kewlJ]

And if anyone needs further proof here it is: Rob has claimed he has won millions of dollars from casinos. While he uses the name Rob Singer, his real name is well known. And when you look up that real name here is what you find.

Bankruptcies, evictions, legal judgments again for non-payment of rent. A website that discloses peoples net worth lists Rob's at below $50,000. And don't even get excited about that because that is the lowest classification....it is probably far less. And for a retirement plan, Mr I won millions from the casinos, burdens and lives off his kids.

Rob Singer, you are the poster child for losing, degenerate gambler. I guess it is no surprised you are so freaking bitter and angry.

Now STOP hijacking this man's thread with your continued trolling and obsession, you fucking loser.

[SLaPiNFuNK]

Can't we all just get along...

[kewlJ]

Can't we all just get along...

Channeling your inner Rodney King?