The WoV Thread

[kewlJ]

This retard is a closeted homosexual.

Take a little break jdaewoo. I got ya covered on this one.

[MDawg]

That I am not gay is irrelevant.

because of the alternative persona I created.

[kewlJ]

I am going to go over this one more time for you Mdawg. There are players that beat the casinos using math. They are called advantage players. Machine advantage players are a little different than table game advantage players. I am going to focus on table game APs of which I am one and you are pretending to be.

Casinos use data to identify table players playing with an advantage. Our job (the table game APs) is to make it as hard as possible to collect that data, and to not play one location long enough for significant data collection to occur.

So the number 1 rule is that table game APs do not play rated. Playing rated hands the casinos all the data from every time you have ever played right on a silver platter. And armed with that data, no casino is going to allow what you claim. NONE! Least of all on the strip in Las Vegas. It is fantasy. It just isn't real.

And there are other rules as to how a table game AP avoids detection, or prolongs detection and achieves longevity. Short sessions. Not being the biggest bettor at your table, let alone the casino. Playing limits that are well tolerated and pit folks don't have to answer for. Your claims violate every one of these rules. Pit people would be fired allowing what you claim. Again, what you are claiming just isn't real.

Take your current claimed situation. According to the claims on your adventure, you have been in Vegas in comped suites since before the F1 race. About 6 weeks now. And you have won well over 2 million dollars (according to your claims), while being comped suites, and food and tickets to VGK games (in suites) and whatever other VIP things you claimed. So you are claiming you have won over 2 million and been comped another what...half million in comps. Dude that is just not the way it works.

And you have been claiming these same trips for 7 years now. You might as well be claiming you flap your arms and fly around the moon.

You are a good writer, when you aren't trolling. And I suspect you do bet much larger than almost anyone else on these forums. But as Dan Druff stated long ago, You are either exaggerating or making it up entirely or leaving something out, like all the losing sessions. As you present your "adventure" is just is not real. And EVERY player, from recreational players to real APs that play for a living knows it. And like I have said a number of times, it is a shame because everyone would have enjoyed reading about a player that bets bigger than most everyone else and how they are treated in regards to their wins and losses.

isn't it about time to end this "adventure" and move on to something else?

[MisterV]

KJ, I have a blackjack question: as I don't play I've no way of answering it.

The question: are you aware of any situations where the player and dealer were in cahoots such that when the count got favorable and the bettor increased his bets accordingly the dealer didn't say or do anything to bring this to the attention of the floor, pit boss or eye in the sky?

With the dealer not ratting out a counter I can see a potentially nice pay day, but I suppose the dealer could get fired if upon later review it was discovered that the count was favorable and nothing was done about it.

[jdaewoo]

Why would the dealer have any responsibility whatsoever to keep track of the count?

The dealer has to protect the rack, protect the cards, follow procedure, and payout people correctly. They have fuck all to do with tracking the count.

[kewlJ]

I concur with Jdaewoo 100% MrV. Identifying and "catching" card counters is not the dealers responsibility. I am much less concerned with dealers than I am with pit folks and the people upstairs in surveillance that I can't see.

But I have had a couple snarly dealers that could be problematic. Actually more so way back when I played Atlantic City than in Vegas. In Vegas I had one at Terribles (now silver7), that made some comment about me counting and then I witnessed him say something to the pit as he left for break. I never played his table again.

Back in AC I had several. One in AC was friendly enough, I think he just wanted to let me know that he knew I was counting. He said something to the other couple (male/.female) at the table something like "you might want to raise your bet when this guy does because the good cards will be coming out". He never even looked my direction as he said that. He just wanted me to know, or possibly wanted me to tip to keep him quiet.

The second AC situation was much worse. It was at Harrah back at the inlet. The dealer was "Bob". I used to know his last name but forget. He lived in Cherry Hill according to his name tag, plus I saw him get off the train there a couple times. So Bob made several comments at different times when I was playing his table. Then one day on the train, he sits down with me and literally tried to extort money from me saying something to the effect "that a good card counter will tip his dealer to keep him quiet". I never again played with Bob.

While it isn't a dealers job to identify card counters, many dealers themselves count cards, so they do and can recognize other card counters. But again, they are fairly low on my priority and when I encounter one that I feel like could be a threat, simple solution. Don't play with him. Lots of other dealers.

Kind of comes back to reading people MrV. After a while you can get a feel for dealers and pit that might be a problem.

[MDawg]

Wow, the kewl-groomer still squealing like a little bitch, amazing, hey hey!!!!

Kind of comes back to reading people

Does this sound like someone who could function under the radar?

kewlJ has been a whiner, a liar, a hypocrite, and a pain in the ass on many occasions

And there you have it....again and again and again! Kew repeatedly proves he just CANNOT stop reading forums he "vows" to be finished with, simply because he just HAS to see if anyone is saying anything that doesn't 100% jive with his completely made-up internet forum life.

You can just feel the squirmy uneasiness in his real life every time he's forced to do that, which for a weakling like him, is impossible to stop. Which as I've said many times, forever and readily explains how there is no way in hell that such a helpless little twit would ever have the required character and discipline to be the gunslinging bj player he purports to be. And he never does get how he exposes that in his myriad of postings

[MDawg]

Anyway, here's the convo that WOULD happen if the UNKewl one ever did consult an attorney:


UNKewl one (in a high pitched whiny voice): I...I...need an attorney. I was doxxed! Someone posted my real name and address on the internet.

Attorney: The nerve! Let's get the bastard. I'm your man.

UNKewl one: Yes. Yes. Let's get started.

Attorney: Of course! Now...tell me a little more. How did this happen. How did whatever was posted get around? What was posted?

UNKewl one: Well my first name was posted.

Attorney: Right. That's a doxxing for sure. Now, who knows your first name?

UNKewl one: No one! Well...almost no one. Actually, I used to use my first name as part of my screen name.

Attorney. Oh. Well. What else was posted.

UNKewl one: My address! Where I live. Well, where I claim to live anyway.

Attorney: NO WAY! We'll get the doxxer for that.

UNKewl one (whiny voice goes up a pitch): Yes. Please!

Attorney: Now, you've never posted your address online have you?

UNKewl one: No. Never! But....

Attorney: But?

UNKewl one: Well, I told someone where I live a few months ago. And...and....

Attorney: What else?

UNKewl one: Someone else who is a very vocal enemy of mine once visited me at my place, so he knows too. Anyway, that's the story I put out there.

Attorney (pausing): Anyone else?

UNKewl one (whining softly): Yes. A number of others who are online know where I live.

Attorney: Hmm. So, seems like the information is already out there. Well, what about what was posted, is it still posted?

UNKewl one: No it was removed almost immediately.

Attorney: Can you even prove that whoever posted it is who you think it was?

UNKewl one: No, not exactly.

Attorney: So let me get this straight. You have freely shared your first name online. You have freely shared where you live with others online. And that information that you had no problem with sharing with random strangers online was posted, briefly, and then deleted?

UNKewl one (sulking, voice rising to a falsetto whine): I'm the victim here! I'm always the victim! People are always out to get me! I knew you wouldn't understand.

Attorney: Relax. Relax! I'll take your case.

UNKewl one (sobbing with relief): You will?

Attorney: Yes. Sure! Why not. Only....

UNKewl one: Only...?

Attorney: Only, you'll have to pay all my fees and costs up front on this one. I'll do everything I can! A five thousand dollar retainer should do it. That will at least get me started anyway.

UNKewl one: Five thousand! I'm a little short this week. I just lost $11,000. in Reno. I ended last year in the red and gave up! I haven't even been playing blackjack lately and when I do all I can do is think about this guy online and I can't concentrate on my play. I'm on a losing streak. I can't even turn any tricks lately I look like a mess, and I'm getting old. Five hundred, maybe I could come up with that, but five grand! No way.

Attorney: Okay well, just let me know. I'm here for you! [click.]

UNKewl one sulks for a while. Paces. And logs back on to post more nonsense. About MDAWG!

[MDawg]

A high pitched soft whine, ever rising in frequency and volume.

I don't whine like a fairy and have my panties in a bunch, like a repetitive whining UNKOOL poster.

You are literally the easiest person in the history to troll. Spin you up like a top and away you go.

You know why? Because your panties are always in a bunch..

[kewlJ]

Why would the dealer have any responsibility whatsoever to keep track of the count?

The dealer has to protect the rack, protect the cards, follow procedure, and payout people correctly. They have fuck all to do with tracking the count.

I have always known that jdaewoo was/is a card counter, at least at one time. He has made comments before that indicated it and every once in a while like to throw something out there. I just was never sure if that was in his past and he moved on to other advantage plays (as most CC have).

But mostly he just likes to let me be the one rambling on about card counting. But I am pretty sure if I had ever said something way off base, he would have chimed in.

[kewlJ]

Every once in a while you run into a dealer that I categorize as a "gung-ho" dealer. A newer guy that might be trying to score brownie points. Them and the dual dealer/pit are the two types to be leary of.

[MDawg]

No one should take your advice regarding blackjack, because you haven’t proven to be an expert. Literally they should do the opposite of what you say. I’m not your sweetheart either

[kewlJ]

Anyway, here's the convo that WOULD happen if the UNKewl one ever did consult an attorney:


UNKewl one (in a high pitched whiny voice): I...I...need an attorney. I was doxxed! Someone posted my real name and address on the internet.

Attorney: The nerve! Let's get the bastard. I'm your man.

UNKewl one: Yes. Yes. Let's get started.

Attorney: Of course! Now...tell me a little more. How did this happen. How did whatever was posted get around? What was posted?

UNKewl one: Well my first name was posted.

Attorney: Right. That's a doxxing for sure. Now, who knows your first name?

UNKewl one: No one! Well...almost no one. Actually, I used to use my first name as part of my screen name.

Attorney. Oh. Well. What else was posted.

UNKewl one: My address! Where I live. Well, where I claim to live anyway.

Attorney: NO WAY! We'll get the doxxer for that.

UNKewl one (whiny voice goes up a pitch): Yes. Please!

Attorney: Now, you've never posted your address online have you?

UNKewl one: No. Never! But....

Attorney: But?

UNKewl one: Well, I told someone where I live a few months ago. And...and....

Attorney: What else?

UNKewl one: Someone else who is a very vocal enemy of mine once visited me at my place, so he knows too. Anyway, that's the story I put out there.

Attorney (pausing): Anyone else?

UNKewl one (whining softly): Yes. A number of others who are online know where I live.

Attorney: Hmm. So, seems like the information is already out there. Well, what about what was posted, is it still posted?

UNKewl one: No it was removed almost immediately.

Attorney: Can you even prove that whoever posted it is who you think it was?

UNKewl one: No, not exactly.

Attorney: So let me get this straight. You have freely shared your first name online. You have freely shared where you live with others online. And that information that you had no problem with sharing with random strangers online was posted, briefly, and then deleted?

UNKewl one (sulking, voice rising to a falsetto whine): I'm the victim here! I'm always the victim! People are always out to get me! I knew you wouldn't understand.

Attorney: Relax. Relax! I'll take your case.

UNKewl one (sobbing with relief): You will?

Attorney: Yes. Sure! Why not. Only....

UNKewl one: Only...?

Attorney: Only, you'll have to pay all my fees and costs up front on this one. I'll do everything I can! A five thousand dollar retainer should do it. That will at least get me started anyway.

UNKewl one: Five thousand! I'm a little short this week. I just lost $11,000. in Reno. I ended last year in the red and gave up! I haven't even been playing blackjack lately and when I do all I can do is think about this guy online and I can't concentrate on my play. I'm on a losing streak. I can't even turn any tricks lately I look like a mess, and I'm getting old. Five hundred, maybe I could come up with that, but five grand! No way.

Attorney: Okay well, just let me know. I'm here for you! [click.]

UNKewl one sulks for a while. Paces. And logs back on to post more nonsense. About MDAWG!

This boy does like his fiction writing, doesn't he?

[MDawg]

Anything UNKewlJ hasn't had time to "study up" on (and we're talking YEARS, it takes him that long to wear one of his fables smooth enough to pass muster, we're dealing with a very dim witted individual here) he ends up sticking his fat foot in his wide loose mouth over.

[MisterV]

Thanks for the "education" viz dealer and counting: I don't play blackjack and "assumed" dealers might tip off the floor / pit if someone is counting.

Live and learn.

[Tasha]

Hmm. Maybe someone trying to impersonate Kewlj made the new WOV Account that was insulting Mdawg? I myself had a random "Newbie," call themselves Karen Nathan on WOV and say something like,"I completely apologize for the rant I made against Beachbumbabs. It was a completely wrong thing to write and a huge mistake. I am truly sorry. Can I please be reinstated on WOV?

A LOT of people think that I was the Karen Nathan Account that wrote that but I wasn't. I was working when that imposter made the Karen Nathan Account and wrote that pst so I definitely wasn't on the internet. Oncedear said something like,"I REALLY don't think that Karen Nathan Account on WOV is the actual Karen Nathan. On VCT he asked me if I made a Karen Nathan Account on WOV and I said that it wasn't me and pointed out that I was working and not on the internet when the Karen Nathan Account impersonator on WOV showed up and Oncedear believed me thankfully. The Karen Nathan Account impersonator on WOV was banned.

Another Poster impersonated Mdawg when Mdawg was on around day 48 if a 60 day WOV suspension. The Admins gave Mdawg an immediate permanent banning. Mdawg at the time was driving through different States at the time that the Mdawg impersonator showed up on WOV and wasn't even on the internet at the time. Posters on WOV said something like,"I REALLY don't think the person posting like Mdawg on WOV today is the real Mdawg. Mdawg was driving through different States at the time this Mdawg impersonator came on WOV posting like Mdawg, so Mdawg wasn't on the internet. I REALLY feel like someone is impersonating Mdawg to get Mdawg into trouble with the WOV Admins.

Another Poster said something like,"The WOV Admins banned Mdawg because of some Mdawg impersonator. So does this mean that a random impersonator can impersonate Axelwolf when Axelwolf is suspended and the Admins will blindly ban Axelwolf without a moment's hesitation or doing any due diligence?"

Mdawg himself said something like,"The person impersonating me on WOV was not me. WHY would I risk a permanent banning on WOV on day 48 of a 60 day WOV Suspension?"

The Admins took these comments seriously and did investigating and realized that's Poster had been impersonating Mdawg on MULTIPLE accounts and reversed the permanent banning of Mdawg and permanently banned Mdawg's impersonator.

So I truly believe that someone was trying to impersonate Kewlj.

[mickeycrimm]

Coach, you gotta keep things in perspective.

Fun Facts to close 2025:

1) McDonald's employs 150,000 people in the U.S., a number which is falling fast.
2) The U.S. has 1,300,000 licensed attorneys, a number which is growing fast.
3) Home prices in Seattle, WA dropped 2.5% in November, a trend which is snowballing. NOT an AP play.
4) Home prices in Johnson City, TN were up 8.5% compared to last November, a trend which also appears to be snowballing. One could consider this an AP play.
5) If you rank all of the VCT posters in terms of gambling knowledge and Las Vegas experience, MrV is ahead of Tasha in gambling knowledge and is likely ahead of several posters in terms of Las Vegas experience. In the next 48 months or so, AI should be able to rank everyone with some precision by analyzing all posts attributable to a handle.

In addition, fun factoids vis-a-vis blackjack:

1) Roughly 40% of casinos currently employ facial recognition technology.
2) The two big strip companies, CET and MGM, report that they are employing facial recognition tech.
3) As such, every time someone steps into a casino on the strip (with the possible exception of Treasure Island), they are being facially profiled. Any exterior cameras would be able to profile also, provided the sidewalks are casino property. It makes perfect sense for a card counter to live on the strip, provided they are either (A) a Skrull or (B) Spider-Man's first villain, The Chameleon. I think the Spider-Man reference is particularly appropriate here.
4) Now if I were a casino manager on the strip and suspected someone was a card counter, I would simply have a member of the security team take a lengthy lunch and follow the person. If they go "home" and it's on the strip, end of counting. They will be identified. If they go to another casino in the immediate neighborhood as part of a rotation and try a hit-and-run, they are also identified as a counter and that's the end of that. I'm sure, however, that The Chameleon could pull this off for years while living on the strip. And Skrulls, yes, if they have some quick-change bathrooms scouted, they could pull it off, too.
5) All of this is LOL obvious.

So I guess the question(s) become why would a card counter, while keeping a lid on everything else, make public that he has a strip location as home base? Geez, I do not think Mensa is required here.

MDawg, feel free to quote any and all of this -- my Christmas gift to you. I expect a large coffee from Starbucks in return if our paths happen to cross in Las Vegas. Coach, I expect a scone.

I have more than one reason to make sure no one is tailing me out of a casino. Been checking my backtrail for 30 years. Robbers also follow people out of casinos.

Do you know what is the worst move you can make when you get thrown out of a casino? Walk across the street and enter another casino. Dumb, dumb, dumb. All they have to do is call that casino’s security and tell them an undesirable just entered.

[MisterV]

I have more than one reason to make sure no one is tailing me out of a casino. Been checking my backtrail for 30 years. Robbers also follow people out of casinos.

Just wondering, Mickey: has anyone actually tried to rob or brace you after a win when you walk out of the casino?

If I ever get a big win I'd probably ask security to accompany me to my car or room.

[regnis]

V-I was followed to my room one night. I always had the corner room at the end of the hall. I noticed 2 guys coming up on me. I saw a partially open door and ducked in and bolted it. The lady was screaming at me and I kept screaming at her to call security, that there were 2 guys trying to get me. She did finally call security but she grabbed a knife from her room service just in case.

[mickeycrimm]

I have more than one reason to make sure no one is tailing me out of a casino. Been checking my backtrail for 30 years. Robbers also follow people out of casinos.

Just wondering, Mickey: has anyone actually tried to rob or brace you after a win when you walk out of the casino?

If I ever get a big win I'd probably ask security to accompany me to my car or room.

Yes, a dude tried following me out of the Western at 3 AM so I turned around and went back in. Dude kept his eyes on me as I moved around. I was drinking at the time and the dude figured me for an easy mark. It was always hard to get a cab to come to the Western. But I told the dispatcher the first cab to arrive would get a hundred dollar tip. And I told them to pull up in the middle of the front entrance. Dude was still looking at me when the cab pulled away.