Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
Yes, I hit a royal and only hit a full house three times the entire trip.



You're right -- it is simple math. And I would like someone to show us which slot club gives back more than what is lost?

To the best of my knowledge, a combination of offers and cash back and bounce back at best will return one-tenth of one percent of coin in. And if you are playing a game that returns 99.54% then the slot club benefits of one-tenth of one percent would raise your return to 99.64%. Now... using simple math... how does that make this game positive?

But I have an open mind. Someone please show us which casino slot club has benefits that will make negative games positive? Anybody? Any casino?
I've shown this before.

Making Seven Stars requires $500,000 coin in if you play the optimal number of tier credits per day (either 2500 or 5000). A 99.54% JoB game would yield an average loss of $2300 with perfect play.

Of course, that's an AVERAGE loss. Since hitting Royals is so important, and since it requires 20,000 hands at $5 machines to make $500,000 in coin-in, you only have a 50-50 chance of hitting a Royal. So, yes, there's variance. If you don't hit a Royal, you will lose about $12,300 on average. If you do, you will win about $7700 on average.

So due to that variance, I wouldn't recommend doing this unless your bankroll is deep enough to withstand a $12k loss (maybe more if you run really poorly) in the quest for Seven Stars.

But the "expected" loss is indeed $2300.

The Seven Stars benefits are worth more than $2300, provided you actually have a use for those benefits.

If you don't have much of a need for free CET rooms around the country, don't enjoy taking cruises, don't like to travel, and don't enjoy eating expensive dinners, then indeed Seven Stars isn't worth very much.

However, I actually do enjoy all of these things, and I extract maximum value out of them.

It's not a way to make money, but it's a way to have the fun of gambling while knowing you will get some substantial discounts/freebies to cover all or some of your losses if you end up having worse luck than expected.

Also, keep in mind that you get Seven Stars for TWO years, so you can get two years' worth of benefits without putting another dime into the machines. That makes it worth even more.

I've played no VP in 2014 aside from running freeplay.