Where are those identifying items I asked for? We spent days going back & forth about how the question is to be interpreted. Does the 1st die get eliminated once a "peeked at" 2 is announced? If so, as I said, I will bet Shack any amount he desires with that 9-1 payout. If not--and I strongly suspect WoV wants the guidelines to be the Burger King way--then make the payout for two 2's 11-1. And tell him I'll do it in Tahoe this weekend.