Jbjb I actually have a profit on the fire bet thanks to two $5,000 pays (Rio and Rincon ) and probably a half dozen 5 - point pays of which 3 were at Rincon at $1250 and 3 at Caesars at $2500 each. While these big pays are rare, when they happen they offset a lot of losing bets. I've stopped counting the 4 point pays but I get one about 1/3 trips. There was a 4 pointer over Father's Day at Caesars for $250.