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  1. #161
    Not even a good attempt at covering your embarrassment, dufus. Yes YOU are the only one who claims to have never had a losing streak. Your silly assertions just double down as nothing but a silly attempt to deflect what everyone can easily see.

    You got caught being the ONLY one that fit your description of a person who "just can't take the terrible, devastating thought of what others will be thinking". It's nice that you point out your faults so everyone can see. Projection is a bitch.

  2. #162
    You give SO much satisfaction when you're genuinely riled my friend!

    But you are somewhat correct--only it isn't anything that will make you experience a happy ending over this. Because my strategy has won a little over 85% of the time, I indeed really have NOT been thru any losing streaks since dumping the phony AP nonsense and becoming an intelligent, strong player.

    Now please, they're not planning on tearing down the woodshed any time soon. I would venture to say that, with all of those demons you're dealing with and all the confessions you're no doubt involved in these days, too many trips out there isn't really doing you any favors

  3. #163
    Arc, I'm sorry but you will need another teaching tool besides a coin flip to discuss video poker with me. When you come up with something else, I will be very happy to listen.

    If I recall, when Dancer discussed the car and how much it cost him, a lot of Internet readers could not believe his justification. It just didn't make sense.

    On a smaller scale, its like me losing $100 in a video poker game to get a $50 comp. What's the point?
    When I get a $2500 gift card to Macy's my wife says to me: "Will you come back from Caesars with a $2500 gift card and $5,000 in markers?"

    You see, a lot of people believe in one thing and one thing only -- today's bottom line. Not that you have an edge for the long term, because you might never see that long term. Gee, who said that originally? Ummmm.... Dancer? No. Scott? No. Arc? No. Wizard? No. Hmmmm. Can't seem to remember which of the big names in gaming math came up with that. But it sure does make a lot of sense to most of us.

  4. #164
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Arc, I'm sorry but you will need another teaching tool besides a coin flip to discuss video poker with me. When you come up with something else, I will be very happy to listen.
    Like I said ... You don't want to know the truth. You can lead a man to knowledge but you can't make him learn.

    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    If I recall, when Dancer discussed the car and how much it cost him, a lot of Internet readers could not believe his justification. It just didn't make sense.
    Which just proves that most people don't understand simple math. Alan, you are probably in the majority, no doubt about it. That doesn't make you right, it just means you have lots of company in your ignorance.

    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    On a smaller scale, its like me losing $100 in a video poker game to get a $50 comp. What's the point?
    When I get a $2500 gift card to Macy's my wife says to me: "Will you come back from Caesars with a $2500 gift card and $5,000 in markers?"

    You see, a lot of people believe in one thing and one thing only -- today's bottom line. Not that you have an edge for the long term, because you might never see that long term. Gee, who said that originally? Ummmm.... Dancer? No. Scott? No. Arc? No. Wizard? No. Hmmmm. Can't seem to remember which of the big names in gaming math came up with that. But it sure does make a lot of sense to most of us.
    Dancer has seen the long term many times over. So has Scott and so have I. I know I've made money so I assume they have as well. What have you done, Alan?

  5. #165
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Now please, they're not planning on tearing down the woodshed any time soon. I would venture to say that, with all of those demons you're dealing with and all the confessions you're no doubt involved in these days, too many trips out there isn't really doing you any favors
    Looks like the dufus is hitting the sauce pretty hard again. This paragraph made absolutely no sense whatsoever. I suspect it was some kind of major projection but it's impossible to tell from all the gibberish.

  6. #166
    Arc, I have seen the long term and as of today this is the long term:

    LVS $59.64
    WYNN $131.10
    MGM $13.73
    BYD $7.91
    CZR $13.70

  7. #167
    Alan, it's good to see the casinos are still in business. Doesn't say anything about their profitability. As for individuals who own stock, that all depends on when you bought.

  8. #168
    Alan, let's wait until he jumps out of bed at the same time tomorrow as every day for more funny stuff about how wonderful AP's always do, as he faces the same routine as always and he has nothing to look forward to other than zooming to this forum to see how bad his lies of yesterday are doing--just as boring as he did it the day before yesterday, the day before that, and the day before that etc. And while he's reading gauges and mixing oatmeal, we'll be getting ready to drive up to Lake Tahoe again to meet my best friend and his wife from my childhood.

    But I have to say, defending someone who bought a $40,000 car for $80,000 by saying it's ok because he was playing with an "edge" had to make everyone laugh. Remember, Dancer also threw in how he was "up six figures for the year" so we weren't supposed to be worried for the poor guy! Do you wonder how stupid he REALLY felt as he left the M? That's why he, like arci, always HAS TO caveat any losing they talk about with "but don't fret fans--we're really ahead for the year just as the math says we should be"!

    Phew....thank God they're always all safe! And God bless those PHANTOM BUCKS!

  9. #169
    You can see the envy roll off the dufus like water off a duck's back.

    Once again he tries to assert that winners like Dancer and myself really don't win. It's a fantasy world that losers like the dufus must maintain or lose their sanity. It's also obvious that the dufus isn't very happy as we can see from this projection ... "he faces the same routine as always and he has nothing to look forward to other than zooming to this forum to see how bad his lies of yesterday are doing".

  10. #170
    Is this what Al Gore invented the Internet for?

  11. #171
    I suspect Al Gore's win goal on the internet occurred around 1990. Everything since then has been due to people playing beyond their stop/loss goal. I think, in terms of civility, this board (and a lot of the internet) has been in a cold cycle for awhile. That's what happens when a credentialed mathematician doesn't check the math being generated by some of the chips. You get all kinds of stuff appearing on the screen, and it looks ugly.

  12. #172
    If he invented it so that those like arci may get the punishment they've asked for, even I would vote for him if he ran again!

    You have to admit, watching him lie about himself, lie about Dancer, even lie about me....while he avoids the zingers that actually make him do all that lying along with making him lose his cool with the resultant namecalling....has a certain amount of bonus value that soothes and satisfies

  13. #173
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    This weekend I have an offer at Caesars for $2500 free play. I am going to keep track of the free play and let you know how many hands it takes for me to show a $125 profit playing 8/5 Bonus. On a $5 per coin machine, two pair would give me a $25 profit, three of a kind would give me a $50 profit. One full house pays $200.
    I got very lucky. I inserted a $500 free play voucher and converted it into $625 in the first 8 hands (each hand is $25 played). Two full houses paying $200 each was the big reason, along with some two-paid hands at 8/5 Bonus. But it gets better: with the next $300 I got a pair of 6s, held and drew quads for a $625 pay. No royal on this trip, but I was dealt a straight flush three times. Two of the straight flushes came within a half hour of each other, and ironically one was the same dealt SF as the hand I got on my previous trip-- ace through five of spades. After that steel wheel the straight flush was six through ten of spades. When I sent photos to my wife, she said to me "does this mean the royal in spades is next?" Nope. No royal.

    Once again, I think it is possible for players to have a very high likelihood of showing a profit at some point. Now, if I could only stay away from the craps table....

  14. #174
    Sorry, the thread was locked in error and is now unlocked.

  15. #175
    I liked your wedding story in the other thread!

    Here's what I've been up to with Caesar's. We've been to Harras Lake Tahoe twice this year and Paris once just recently. All my rooms have been compress because I do them online and stay away from the hosts. I haven't put any play in on any visit until my second evening on this trip, and I hit a dollar royal on my 4th hand of 6/5 BP after losing my first three. +$3980 (no tip on the handpay of course) and that was it. We then went out to dinner at the Hyatt in Incline Village. I took every penny of that profit home with us today.

    If I had continued playing, sure, I could have won more. But that overwhelmingly does not happen. Than goodness for the ability not to be controlled by the casinos, as my uncanny winning after retiring from professional play continues!

  16. #176
    Congrats on the rather large win. I'm not real familiar with the entire Harrah's marketing. Do you get any kind of offers? I'm reasonably happy with the ultra-cheap rooms at the Rio currrently, and the discounted Bill's rooms. Do specific properties treat you differently, or do they all pretty much give you the same offers? Your play varies so wildly session to session that I imagine there must be a fair amount of debate when the properties try to compare notes. Do they compare notes? -- is my question.

  17. #177
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Congrats on the rather large win. I'm not real familiar with the entire Harrah's marketing. Do you get any kind of offers? I'm reasonably happy with the ultra-cheap rooms at the Rio currrently, and the discounted Bill's rooms. Do specific properties treat you differently, or do they all pretty much give you the same offers? Your play varies so wildly session to session that I imagine there must be a fair amount of debate when the properties try to compare notes. Do they compare notes? -- is my question.
    Thanks--I too see it as a rather large win these days, since I only use a fairly small bankroll and it's all just for fun.

    These are the only four hands I've put thru the machines of Harrahs in 2012 so far. All of my rooms going forward that I've reserved for the rest of this year (14 more nights at Rio, PH, Reno & Lake Tahoe) are also surprisingly comped, and I am now just a downgraded weenie Gold Card holder. I make all my reservations online and I never receive any mailed offers--which is unlike all the years I was diamond and they inundated you with both snail mail and the "my offers" section of your online account. My play was virtually nothing (2400 reward credits) in 2011 when I was platinum, and that included some credit for my sportsbet at the end of the year.

    People complain about the lousy paytables at Harrahs and rightfully so. But as I've always found, discipline defeats that. I mean, how many gamblers who play bad paytables can actually stop after just four hands and a pocketfull of new cash in a very exciting casino environment?

    On a side note, I took my wife to Twin Creeks Steakhouse at the Silverton the night before we left for points north. I'm not allowed to play video poker there any more, but I can go in to do anything else. It was interesting that as we took the fairly long walk from the front door to the steakhouse, about 1/3 the way in I was greeted by Security, who inquired about my objective. It was respectful, but as that ended a suit came over and said "so we're just here for an enjoyable dinner tonight, MR. SINGER....I mean, Mr. Argentino?" I said yes and introduced my wife, and we went into the steakhouse bar where I ordered myself a snifter of Pappy Van Winkle's 23 year old Bourbon. I knew everything I did was being watched, so when we took our table I paid for my wife's Cosmopolitan and my $58 shot, and left a very noticeable $50 tip. That had more to do with the excellent female bartender bringing out every bourbon bottle I asked to take a look at than anything else. That bar specializes in bourbon selection.

  18. #178
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    If I had continued playing, sure, I could have won more. But that overwhelmingly does not happen. Than goodness for the ability not to be controlled by the casinos, as my uncanny winning after retiring from professional play continues!
    Better not tell Alan. According to him a person will usually get ahead at some point in time in the future. With random machines there is no difference between the hand immediately after a RF and the first hand on some subsequent trip (or any other hand for that matter).

    So, either Alan is wrong in his claims or the machines are not random as he also believes. Cognitive dissonance in action.

  19. #179
    And Alan is right. I've been ahead at some point almost every time I've ever played. So has he, and so have you for that matter. Your problem is, because you don't care whether you get trips or a royal and you are more concerned with slot club points and # of hands played so you're able to manufacture as many phantom bucks as possible, you never really notice if you're up by 5 credits or 5000.

    BTW, here's more for you to ignore while your stomach continues to churn and the blood continues to boil. What's your family vacation plans look like for the rest of this year? I imagine a nice visit to Hawaii might work well for sometime in the winter months?

  20. #180
    Once again we see your logic is wanting. If, as you and Alan claim, you normally get ahead in a session, then why would a person ever lose?

    If you are at a win goal or after any win that puts you ahead, then you are at no different point than you would be after any hand on a random machine. Therefore, you should also be able to get ahead from this point.

    And, once you get ahead you simply continue to follow this same logic. The result is you can't lose ..... or ...... your assumption is wrong. Since we all know by experience that people do lose we have now proved by contradiction that the claim that a person will get ahead in a session must be false or the claim that machines are random must be false.

    However, Alan believes both to be true. Hence, the perfect example of cognitive dissonance.

    As for the dufus, we already know he lies about almost anything, so anything he says can't be taken seriously.

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