Rob Singer: What are your conditions?

[Rob.Singer]

There is one simple way to do it and it's exactly the way I said above. Ask for 10 years, we'll receive a minimum of 7 (2008 thru 2014) and there's a possibility that we'll get all or some of the additional 3 older years. If arci reads the form instead of trying to wiggle out of doing this again, he'd clearly see that sometimes older years are available. And it also says returns older than 7 years are "usually" destroyed. So at least TRYING to get them won't hurt anybody....Unless someone has something to hide.

And now of course, since this is a sensible approach, we see arci trying to sneak out the back door by suddenly only wanting to obtain the 2009 returns, then pause as I get mine! So what happened to getting 2010 thru 2014....and what happened to 2008--all years that we know we can get! And where's the harm in trying to get years 2005 thru 2007?

You do know what's going on--almost an exact repeat of his welching out on his own challenge from the last time. The closer it gets to reality, the more terror he begins to visualize, and for a clown like him it's as horrific as it gets. Not only might these returns cause everyone on every forum he posts on to finally agree on what a big fat liar he's always been---he'll be faced with a slap to the other side of his face as he's told my results are exactly as I've said they've always been. For a lonely old nerd with nothing else but the video poker nonsense he's always so deeply involved in, that's GOTTA HURT! And I love every minute of watching him squirm.

So come back on arci, and dish out some more cheap excuses that'll make your wife roll over in her grave a few more times!

[Rob.Singer]

I sent Arc a private message with my office address.

Remember Alan, you're already on record saying arci sent you a pm offering to send you his RETURNS first. And maybe you'll remember this little tidbit of his: "one year is useless and won't prove a thing". Suddenly, he wants to shift the whole thing around. You should know better than to have trusted him.

Stick to what was said, because you know I will.

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob I am going to ask you and Arc again: please agree to terms and post them here. Be specific.

Rob, why don't you start (again) and post your SPECIFIC TERMS. Arc is under no obligation to send me anything until the two of you have terms you have both agreed to. If Arc sends me anything I won't open it until there is an agreement in place. And if he does send me anything and there is no agreement, I will return his envelope to him UNOPENED.

[slobdinger]

I sent Arc a private message with my office address.

Alan, remember this. For at least 10 years Rob has been telling the world that arci is a liar and a fraud about being a profitable video poker player. It appears that arci's returns will prove that Rob has been totally misrepresenting the facts on this issue the whole time. Maligno Robbie misrepresents the facts about arci's gambling and he does the same with you. He's a total whack job.

[Count Room]

Alan: I remember urging on the forums well over a year ago (maybe even two years ago) that it would be a good idea for both Arci and Rob to send their tax returns to you. It was a dead issue to you back then.

What changed your mind recently? I still support this endeavor, but just wondered what triggered this renewed enthusiasm now all of a sudden?

Just curious on that. Other than that I am very happy to see these new developments, thank you!

[slobdinger]

This is how I wound up in Montana. In the summer of 2007 I took a trip from Nevada to Deadwood to scout the town out and see if there was any money to be made there. The trip was a bust. On my way back to Nevada I stopped into Billings to play poker at the Crystal Lounge. It was the first place I played Texas Holdem back in 1984. So I'm in the poker game and I see the machines on the other side of the room. I told myself there is no way I will find any exploitable games in this jurisdiction but I did the obligatory and went over and punched some games up. And guess what. I found some things.

So the question for me was should I return to Nevada or stay here. The answer to that question for 8 years now is stay right here. Why? The answer is quite simple. I make just as much money here....and with no variance. I literally get payed everyday. This has been going on for 8 years now.

I'm currently on a road trip. 9 days in and I have an earn of $5110. That's without pushing it. I'm in the casinos by 8 AM and back at the hotel by 4 or 5 PM. My current daily average is $567. But if Rob were to take my bet I would have 16 hours to insure I made $500 for the day. He loses period.

I'm the only machine pro who has ever put up screenshots of his plays online. You might think I'm lying but pictures don't lie. I'll put up some screenshots here when I get home.

[redietz]

Slob, I'd never post identifiable machines to prove some point. If you win, you win. Don't let someone's comments mess with what you do. If you win, all that matters is that you know you win. What other people know doesn't matter.

[jbjb]

Especially in this day and age. If the info is already out there that's one thing. But why in the hell wise up casinos and other places and ruin opportunities? Hollywood Columbus got hit for hundreds of thousands of dollars because they weren't making people make the "blind" bet on Crazy Four Poker." Nobody said a word until they figured out the mistake on their own and fixed it. Why help casinos is beyond me.

[slobdinger]

Rob's portrayal of Alan as an addicted gambler reminds me of a Johnny Moss story. A man used to frequent Johnnies poker game in Dallas. He always bought in for $200. This was in the day when $200 was a lot of money. The guy never won. He never cashed out winners. He always just blew the $200 and left. The hustlers in the game snickered at him behind his back and called him "the sucker." But they were always glad to see him show up. One day Moss was walking down the street and the sucker drove by him in a brand spanking new Cadilllac. Moss thought to himself "if that guy is a sucker then I want to be a sucker."

[Alan Mendelson]

Count Room I really don't want to look at anyone's tax returns but if all parties want me to, I will. It sure beats negotiating a criminal's surrender to the police.

[Rob.Singer]

OK so I see arci is in hiding over this trying to figure out a way out of this again that won't hurt his pride. Hey, if he can run his wife into the ground with very little afterthought then he should be able to rough himself up a little.

Here's what's gonna happen Alan because it's time for him to piss or get off the pot. If he's refusing to request either the 7 or 10 years that I laid out--and the ONLY reason he wouldn't go for 10 is because he can't afford to--and if he sticks to the foolish 2009 only and then "get more later" when he's already put his tit in the wringer by saying one year means nothing, then we're wasting our time again. He's good at making people waste their time. You could have asked "Deb" about that a year & a half ago. Like I've said and obviously everyone already knows, he would never want ANYONE to lay their eyes on his wreck of a life, which is exactly why he constantly stalls and makes up excuses and contradicts himself. Repeat: Arci's Challenge 2.0. The only thing about it that's changed is he now has no one left at home to lie about it to when he keeps rolling over in bed every night.

Somebody please let me know when the coward accepts this very comprehensive, no-way-out set of conditions and sends his form in. But let's not waste any further time on this.

And Alan, my opinion is that you should make life easier on yourself and terminate this forum. Some people don't like my straightforward/back-in-your-face approach, mickeycrimm was banned but you keep letting him in under different aliases, these pair of "AP's" from the wizards have long ago been exposed as dazed & confused phonies, and it's taking arci's time away from his Indian casino.

BTW, in fairness to you, I consider all Seven Stars members to be addicted to gambling because it clearly controls their lives. Even someone locked up in a man-cave could figure that out. And I'll be willing to bet that each and every one of them has social problems, problems related to the humanities, and/or bad headaches over having to keep shuffling around the bills every month. Problems I don't have.

[jbjb]

Seven Stars should really stand for "S"uper "S"ucker.

[regnis]

And Alan, my opinion is that you should make life easier on yourself and terminate this forum. Some people don't like my straightforward/back-in-your-face approach, mickeycrimm was banned but you keep letting him in under different aliases, these pair of "AP's" from the wizards have long ago been exposed as dazed & confused phonies, and it's taking arci's time away from his Indian casino.

BTW, in fairness to you, I consider all Seven Stars members to be addicted to gambling because it clearly controls their lives. Even someone locked up in a man-cave could figure that out. And I'll be willing to bet that each and every one of them has social problems, problems related to the humanities, and/or bad headaches over having to keep shuffling around the bills every month. Problems I don't have.

If Alan terminates the forum, what am I going to do for a distraction when some client is rambling endlessly on the phone and I can't listen to another word?

[Alan Mendelson]

And Alan, my opinion is that you should make life easier on yourself and terminate this forum.

I've decided not to terminate the forum. If I did we wouldn't get the undeniable truth. That's not necessarily what you say Rob -- it's the truth that I'm talking about.

I am still waiting for both you, Rob, and Arc to state mutually acceptable terms so that tax returns can be sent or given to me for examination. Those of us reading the forum can see what is a reasonable request for tax returns and what is not possible given the rules that the IRS has.

Making outrageous demands for tax returns from multiple years that can't be provided are not realistic and we will all see that.

[a2a3dseddie]

this is a good post to read and take in. I'm seven stars, totally by accident, for the first time in my life right now, and for what i use it for it's really no more worthwhile than diamond.

i consider all seven stars members to be addicted to gambling because it clearly controls their lives. Even someone locked up in a man-cave could figure that out. and i'll be willing to bet that each and every one of them has social problems, problems related to the humanities, and/or bad headaches over having to keep shuffling around the bills every month.

The Undeniable Truth?

[Bill Yung]

I've decided not to terminate the forum.

Why? More people on here at the moment than at the Wizard's.

[arcimede$]

There is one simple way to do it and it's exactly the way I said above. Ask for 10 years, we'll receive a minimum of 7 (2008 thru 2014) and there's a possibility that we'll get all or some of the additional 3 older years. If arci reads the form instead of trying to wiggle out of doing this again, he'd clearly see that sometimes older years are available. And it also says returns older than 7 years are "usually" destroyed. So at least TRYING to get them won't hurt anybody....Unless someone has something to hide.

Always difficult dealing with someone trying anyway they can to avoid sending Alan his forms.. The only reason a tax return would exist that is more than 7 years old is if it was filed within the past 7 years. This is not rocket science. If you filed in the proper year then it is destroyed BY LAW.

I do think we should be able to get the 2008 form so I will also ask for that one too. I was just going by a previous comment that mentioned 2009.

Since you said you retired after 2009 there is no point in getting any forms after that date. You have nothing to prove.

BTW, I do love the projection .... " The closer it gets to reality, the more terror he begins to visualize"

[RS__]

The Undeniable Truth?

This is priceless, but it makes sense why Rob is lashing out. Lashing out at Alan, because he himself is an addict. Like a bully, he has to pick on others to make himself feel better.

[slobdinger]

.... these pair of "AP's" from the wizards have long ago been exposed as dazed & confused phonies, and it's taking arci's time away from his Indian casino..

Proved to be dazed and confused phonies by whom? Put the evidence up, Rob. Quote some sources. Put up some hard evidence. Oh, that's right. You don't have any. Why is that? Because you just make it up as you go. The only dazed and confused phony is you.

[Rob.Singer]

I've decided not to terminate the forum. If I did we wouldn't get the undeniable truth. That's not necessarily what you say Rob -- it's the truth that I'm talking about.

I am still waiting for both you, Rob, and Arc to state mutually acceptable terms so that tax returns can be sent or given to me for examination. Those of us reading the forum can see what is a reasonable request for tax returns and what is not possible given the rules that the IRS has.

Making outrageous demands for tax returns from multiple years that can't be provided are not realistic and we will all see that.

I've twice identified what my approach to this would be and it should've been very simple. 7 or 10 years, and 10 years IS possible because with a tiny bit of research I found out that there is no LAW which states that all returns must be destroyed after 7 years. They keep many business returns and some individual returns that were either audited or had questionable patterns of some sort. That's all I could get, but it certainly IS worth trying to get them for a full 10 year review. You don't smell something fishy with arci now giving some odd excuse about why he previously didn't even mention 2008 when it is clearly spelled out on that form that he "has in his hand and is ready to go"? What about that "mensa-inspired math mind" of his? Besides, there is a far better chance my returns would go back 10 years than his. Why would he have a beef with that? let's try, and see what we get!

But alas, while I would be thrilled with a 7 -10 year review, arci suddenly changed it to 1, then 2, after first wanting 6 or 7 years. All that spells is him attempting to not do it again due to administrative issues.

My problem with 1 year is arci already showed his hand on how a single year would be meaningless, and anybody with boobs or hair on their face can figure out how 2 years could just as easily be dissed by him when he sees how both years show profiting. That's why we need more. There'll come a point when his argument about "too little data to prove anything" will completely diminish. That point would be 7-10 years. It just makes perfect sense. Then he claims anything post-2009 means nothing. How? In fact, I've won more/year on avg. since then up thru 2014. Why would he care if I filed schedule C or not?

But I'm never going to get him to agree because he never had any intentions of going thru with this in the first place. You can't force a liar to do things for noble reasons.