Final Opportunity

[slobdinger]

This is finally light at the end of the tunnel.

You have stepped up and put your money where your mouth is...well played, sir.

Hopefully a dragonslaying visit to Montana is in your future, to collect an easy $10K.

Tell Rob to bring cash. Lets get it on.

[Alan Mendelson]

It would be true up to a point, if not a professional and not using Sch C, line 21 on the 1040 form would only show the amount claimed. You would not see the deductions used to arrive at the amount. For example: I win $10,000, but I have $9,500 in ATM receipts, my 1040 line 21 would read $500. So if filing as a professional, the schedule C information would be included in the transcripts, if not as a professional, the transcripts don't do you much good without seeing the gross winnings before deductions.

This is not correct. On 1040 Line 21 you enter your gross wins. Losses go on Schedule A Line 28. You subtract your Schedule A total later on the 1040 form on Line 40.

[james40]

You are correct.

[slobdinger]

Since then I've been trying to find out for certain if Rob has done what he says...namely win at VP for several years in a row.

It's obvious that the only way for that to happen is for arci to send his returns....:

No, its not the only way. Rob can simply deliver his returns to Alan Mendelson, a professional journalist. Imagine all the mud Singer can put on the fal

[arcimede$]

This is a stall, Singer already offered to pay $500 for 10 years worth.

If you decline, the assumption is that you've been wrong all along.

Nice try.

Complete BS. How can Singer provide 10 years worth when the only years available of his supposed professional career are 2008 and 2009? He can't. That makes his offer nothing but a diversion. The fact you would even make such an idiotic claim shows just how far gone you are.

[slobdinger]

[QUOTE=coach belly;34590]
Since then I've been trying to find out for certain if Rob has done what he says...namely win at VP for several years in a row.

It's obvious that the only way for that to happen is for arci to send his returns....QUOTE]

No, its not the only way. Rob can simply deliver his returns to Alan without conditions. If Alan confirms that Rob's claims are true it will spread across all the gambling forums and Rob will have put mud in the faces of all his critics. But why is he not chomping at the bit to do this? Have you ever seen Rob not willing to rub mud in his critics faces. Why is he unwilling to do it now? Why is he hiding the information?

[Alan Mendelson]

While the yelling continues, I will be getting Arc's TRANSCRIPTS and if they show gambiing wins on his 1040 and losses on Schedule A I will report that. I will hold off on reporting the $ amounts until Arc gives me the go-ahead and presumably that will be when I receive Rob's tax papers.

If the transcripts do not show that detailed information then I will report that as well.

And I will video tape opening the IRS envelope.

[coach belly]

Complete BS. How can Singer provide 10 years worth when the only years available of his supposed professional career are 2008 and 2009? He can't. That makes his offer nothing but a diversion. The fact you would even make such an idiotic claim shows just how far gone you are.

This is a nothing but another smokescreen.

Rob has said , several times, to request all the years, and see if they can be supplied....and he's even willing to pay the extra $ to try.

You're being your usual dense self when it comes to trying for 10 years. You yourself read the words that they could be available, right? You printed them here! SO WHY NOT HAVE US TRY!! How can it hurt?

Again, it's FULL RETURNS FOR EITHER 2008 thru 2014 (absolutely possible) or FULL RETURNS FOR 2005-2014, if possible.

You have been backed into a corner, and continue to stall.

[coach belly]

Rob can simply deliver his returns to Alan without conditions. If Alan confirms that Rob's claims are true it will spread across all the gambling forums and Rob will have put mud in the faces of all his critics. But why is he not chomping at the bit to do this? Have you ever seen Rob not willing to rub mud in his critics faces. Why is he unwilling to do it now? Why is he hiding the information?

It seems like Rob is trying to teach his longtime detractor a lesson while fulfilling this challenge.

Soon, Rob will be either forced to provide his tax returns, or face the humiliation of failing the challenge.

But for now, arcimede$ is faced with the same fate...and he's stalling.

Rob has offered to pay his fees for the returns, so the expense excuse is no longer valid.

So then what could the excuse possibly be now?

[arcimede$]

This is a nothing but another smokescreen.

Rob has said , several times, to request all the years, and see if they can be supplied....and he's even willing to pay the extra $ to try.

I've requested 11 years worth of data. Get serious. Paying money is unnecessary and provides no more data. Another diversion.

What Singer says and what he does are two different things. We've seen that many times. Still waiting for those papers.

Besides, there is no "see". We already know what years can be requested. It is made perfectly clear right on the form 4506. The only reason you would continue to make such an idiotic claim is you are doing it at the request of Singer (or you are Singer). Why do you continue this deception?

You have been backed into a corner, and continue to stall.

This is a typical lie that Singer would spew. I'm not even close to being backed into a corner and everyone knows that. I'm the one that has filled out the forms and already have then in my mail box to be picked up tomorrow. Singer is still making a fool out of himself.

[coach belly]

I've requested 11 years worth of data. Get serious. Paying money is unnecessary and provides no more data.

Paying money gets your tax returns sent to Alan...the fees are absolutely necessary...the fees must be paid for the returns.

Rob wants returns, not transcripts....he will pay your fees.

You insist on sending only transcripts, when returns are available at no cost to you.

You are not paying the money, so why are you balking?

If you want to force Rob's hand, send the returns...nothing else will work.

You are so close to exposing Rob Singer, and you are the only one who can accomplish this.

But you are failing miserably with all this constant backpedalling and stalling.

Why won't you come through?

[coach belly]

We already know what years can be requested. It is made perfectly clear right on the form 4506.

It's not perfectly clear...the IRS website info posted earlier says the following...

"Copies are generally available for the current year and past six years."

"generally" is the operative qualifier, which indicates that it's not crystal clear what can be retrieved.

[arcimede$]

Paying money gets your tax returns sent to Alan...the fees are absolutely necessary...the fees must be paid for the returns.
Rob wants returns, not transcripts....he will pay your fees.
You insist on sending only transcripts, when returns are available at no cost to you.
You are not paying the money, so why are you balking?
If you want to force Rob's hand, send the returns...nothing else will work.
You are so close to exposing Rob Singer, and you are the only one who can accomplish this.
But you are failing miserably with all this constant backpedalling and stalling.
Why won't you come through?

Returns are NOT available at no cost. Transcripts contain the EXACT same information. I've already exposed Singer. Let me know when you decide to quit babbling nonsense. When are you going to stop the silly diversions?

[arcimede$]

It's not perfectly clear...the IRS website info posted earlier says the following...
"Copies are generally available for the current year and past six years."
"generally" is the operative qualifier, which indicates that it's not crystal clear what can be retrieved.

It's already been pointed out that forms older than 7 years are destroyed by law. You silly sentence means there may be times when forms are NOT available, not that older forms are available. Why do you continue with these silly diversions?

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob wants returns, not transcripts....he will pay your fees.

I missed this. Where did Rob say he will pay Arc's fees for the tax returns? If that's the case let's get that check in the mail to Arc, have Arc receive it, and get the back tax returns ordered. And then we can all wait to see exactly what the IRS can provide.

[coach belly]

I missed this. Where did Rob say he will pay Arc's fees for the tax returns?

Maybe I'm misinterpreting what he meant below...

It makes no sense to diminish the requirements mid-game just to make it look like we're doing this to "save money". That's why I'm offering to pay his fee if he comes out of hiding and lives up to his original challenge.

...but what does "I'm offering to pay his fee" mean?

[arcimede$]

The entire argument about getting photocopies of the original forms is baseless. There is nothing on those forms that isn't on a transcript. The ONLY reason Singer keeps bringing it up is to avoid sending Alan his tax forms. That is beyond obvious. As long as he continues that nonsense all he is accomplishing is making it obvious he never won anything gambling. He's been lying about everything for years.

It's like saying you will only pay for something in quarters rather than dollars because it provides some extra value. Face palm.

Singer even got caught lying about what you get back in a transcript making his motives more than obvious.

[Alan Mendelson]

Maybe I'm misinterpreting what he meant below...

...but what does "I'm offering to pay his fee" mean?

Let's get this directly from Rob, please. Exactly what does he mean, and if he is paying Arc's fee to the IRS exactly how is he going to do it?

[coach belly]

There is nothing on those forms that isn't on a transcript.

Maybe so...OK, we'll have to wait for Alan to report if the transcripts pass muster.

[coach belly]

Let's get this directly from Rob, please. Exactly what does he mean, and if he is paying Arc's fee to the IRS exactly how is he going to do it?

Yes it would be great if Rob confirmed my interpretation.

He could, of course, send you the fee and you could forward it to arci...or would that be a problem too?

But I don't think it matters, arci appears steadfastly opposed to returns...even if Rob pays for them.

Oh well, I tried...looking forward to your examination of arci's transcripts.