Final Opportunity

[Alan Mendelson]

Yes it would be great if Rob confirmed my interpretation.

But I don't think it matters, arci appears steadfastly opposed to returns...even if Rob pays for them.

Oh well, I tried...looking forward to your examination of arci's transcripts.

I don't think Arc is opposed to the returns. I think Arc has simply looked at the IRS website and found (as I did) that the full returns that Rob wants are NOT available and there is a cost of $50 each for those that are available. Arc has also discovered, and I confirmed, that there is a fast and ZERO cost option to get the same information PROVIDED the transcripts have what we believe they will have.

I am simply going to wait for Arc's transcripts. If they have the info we want to see then Rob will have to come up with a darn good reason why he can't have the IRS send his transcripts. I am not going to accept his song and dance that it has to be the original terms. If the original terms don't work or can be replaced by new terms, then why not use the new terms.

[Rob.Singer]

Alan, you continue to allow yourself to be manipulated by a series of arci backpeddals, misleading statements loaded with spin, and his usual array of lies. And why aren't you reading my relatively few posts on this? Something must be wrong with you if you don't see it. Arci keeps changing the original terms because he has his reasons. Why do I want original terms? Because arci knows his changes benefit him in one or more ways. Why do you keep saying "original terms won't work"? OF COURSE they will. Nothing is as complete as returns.

1. Schedule A, Line 28 shows up as OTHER on the transcript, just as it does on the Schedule itself, where you can write in however many "other" deductions you are taking as long as they are named. The transcript does not identify what "other" is comprised of. Now please tell us how in the world that helps a thing here. And you can be sure, with all of his obvious scrambling around, that arci clearly knows this. His big mistake was guessing what Line 28 says on the transcript. Then he was stupid enough to turn it into another big lie.

2. On Schedule C, which I filed from 2000 thru 2009, I believe Part I was for Gross income, which for a professional gambler includes all wins (W2G's and any other wins) minus any losses. My expenses were deducted in another part, and I think you said that in your post. I do not know what a Schedule C transcript shows or tells because I don't have an actual one here. So, again I'll use the word "comprehensive". And even if it does identify Part I, any critic can say that I "made up" a gross income in preparation of this day of reckoning, and mitigated it with a bunch of fake expense deductions. Actual tax returns eliminate that nonsense since they arrive with copies of W2G's. So transcripts are not an option for me with a Schedule C just as they are not an option for either of us when using Schedule A. Is that so hard to understand?

3. For the 5th time, read form 4506. It clearly states that some earlier year may still be available. Why do you keep parroting him by saying they are "absolutely destroyed by law after 7 years"? I'm all for trying our best to retrieve 2005-2007. It makes no sense not to even try to get 10 years of data for this.

4. Arci keeps balking at the cost of returns. I get it--his wife died and with that her SS & IBM pension were buried with her. That's why out of the kindness of my heart I've offered to pay his $500. How? The only fair way of course. Once you receive his RETURNS identifying whatever you deem appropriate proof, I'll either send you a cashiers check or give you cash and you can send it to him, and I'll immediately send my form in. Giving it up front to a proven welcher is like inviting the cat into a bird cage.

I understand why arci keeps dancing around doing what he said he would do from the start. But if you just don't get everything I keep repeating or don't want to get it for your own reasons, this effort is pointless. One more time: I will do nothing unless arci asks for & submits returns to you. We both need to be held to the same standard that HE proposed from the start. And as I said, I know you have a hair on your butt over me at this point, but if you want a free dinner from me you'll champion this effort in the right way. If you worked for me I'd be firing you right now. I only deal with people who care about doing what they say they will do.

[slobdinger]

Alan, you continue to allow yourself to be manipulated by a series of arci backpeddals, misleading statements loaded with spin, and his usual array of lies. And why aren't you reading my relatively few posts on this? Something must be wrong with you if you don't see it. Arci keeps changing the original terms because he has his reasons. Why do I want original terms? Because arci knows his changes benefit him in one or more ways. Why do you keep saying "original terms won't work"? OF COURSE they will. Nothing is as complete as returns.

1. Schedule A, Line 28 shows up as OTHER on the transcript, just as it does on the Schedule itself, where you can write in however many "other" deductions you are taking as long as they are named. The transcript does not identify what "other" is comprised of. Now please tell us how in the world that helps a thing here. And you can be sure, with all of his obvious scrambling around, that arci clearly knows this. His big mistake was guessing what Line 28 says on the transcript. Then he was stupid enough to turn it into another big lie.

2. On Schedule C, which I filed from 2000 thru 2009, I believe Part I was for Gross income, which for a professional gambler includes all wins (W2G's and any other wins) minus any losses. My expenses were deducted in another part, and I think you said that in your post. I do not know what a Schedule C transcript shows or tells because I don't have an actual one here. So, again I'll use the word "comprehensive". And even if it does identify Part I, any critic can say that I "made up" a gross income in preparation of this day of reckoning, and mitigated it with a bunch of fake expense deductions. Actual tax returns eliminate that nonsense since they arrive with copies of W2G's. So transcripts are not an option for me with a Schedule C just as they are not an option for either of us when using Schedule A. Is that so hard to understand?

3. For the 5th time, read form 4506. It clearly states that some earlier year may still be available. Why do you keep parroting him by saying they are "absolutely destroyed by law after 7 years"? I'm all for trying our best to retrieve 2005-2007. It makes no sense not to even try to get 10 years of data for this.

4. Arci keeps balking at the cost of returns. I get it--his wife died and with that her SS & IBM pension were buried with her. That's why out of the kindness of my heart I've offered to pay his $500. How? The only fair way of course. Once you receive his RETURNS identifying whatever you deem appropriate proof, I'll either send you a cashiers check or give you cash and you can send it to him, and I'll immediately send my form in. Giving it up front to a proven welcher is like inviting the cat into a bird cage.

I understand why arci keeps dancing around doing what he said he would do from the start. But if you just don't get everything I keep repeating or don't want to get it for your own reasons, this effort is pointless. One more time: I will do nothing unless arci asks for & submits returns to you. We both need to be held to the same standard that HE proposed from the start. And as I said, I know you have a hair on your butt over me at this point, but if you want a free dinner from me you'll champion this effort in the right way. If you worked for me I'd be firing you right now. I only deal with people who care about doing what they say they will do.

If you only deal with people who do what they say they are going to do then you would have fired yourself long ago. Smoke and mirrors, Robbie boy. That's all you have. Smoke and mirrors.

[regnis]

I'm still with the coach on this whole thing. Two guys can put the squeeze on the other by taking the first step and neither will do it. I can confirm one thing--the returns are not automatically destroyed after 7 years. This is our government that we are talking about--returns are available for many years beyond the seven year period just due to the way our government/IRS operate. I have been able to get returns for decedent's well beyond 7 years when necessary. There is no guaranty--but what's the harm in requesting them.

Since Rob has agreed to pay the cost, where is the downside Arci?

If I were as certain that Singer is a liar as most of you are, I would do anything I could to expose him once and for all. Get the effin returns, in full, ordered from the IRS!!

By the way, does nobody save their old returns? I have returns in my file for about 30 years. It doesn't take up much space. Also, if you had an accountant do the returns, the accountant probably still has copies.

[Alan Mendelson]

It's certainly easy to spend someone else's money. I wouldn't rush to spend $500 with a promise of being reimbursed from a non business with no recourse.

Since Rob is convinced he's right why isn't he sending his returns to me first and saving the $500 for Arc's returns? Of course I am being selfish here -- I don't want anything to get in the way of that dinner I've waited a year to get.

[pkspins]

If you send in the form requesting the returns with a check...
Why can't arci send Alan his completed and signed form, Rob can send Alan the check that goes with it payable to the IRS, and then Alan can combine the two and send them to the IRS?
If postage is a problem then maybe Rob can throw some forever stamps in with his check?

[coach belly]

I'm still with the coach on this whole thing.

How long before arci accuses you of being me...and that we are all Rob Singer...you know...new testament stuff.

[coach belly]

It's certainly easy to spend someone else's money. I wouldn't rush to spend $500 with a promise of being reimbursed from a non business with no recourse.

I would suggest that Rob send Alan a cashier's check in advance of arci's returns being delivered, and once Alan has the returns in hand, he forwards the fee to arci.

US mail takes 2 or 3 days, Alan will have Rob's check in hand in a week at most. Arci's returns will take some time to arrive.

Oh, who am I trying to kid?...arci's not sending his returns...he's hiding something...that's obvious.

So, Alan can hand Rob's check back to him in person when they meet for dinner.

[coach belly]

I can confirm one thing--the returns are not automatically destroyed after 7 years. This is our government that we are talking about--returns are available for many years beyond the seven year period just due to the way our government/IRS operate. I have been able to get returns for decedent's well beyond 7 years when necessary.

The noise you just heard was the sound of arci's head exploding, as the weasel struggles to escape the snare.

[slobdinger]

It seems like Rob is trying to teach his longtime detractor a lesson while fulfilling this challenge.

Soon, Rob will be either forced to provide his tax returns, or face the humiliation of failing the challenge.

But for now, arcimede$ is faced with the same fate...and he's stalling.

Rob has offered to pay his fees for the returns, so the expense excuse is no longer valid.

So then what could the excuse possibly be now?

No, Rob is teaching you a lesson, belly. In a decade and a half Singer has never ever fulfilled a bet or a challenge. Do you really think he is going to start now. As Rob's backer you are naive to say the least.

[coach belly]

As Rob's backer you are naive to say the least.

I'm not backing Rob...I'm working to verify what he has claimed for a decade and a half.

Your mind is already made up, so you can't handle the possibility that he has done what he says.

I'm new to this...so I don't know, and I'm trying to find out.

But I'm not taking your word for it...you're nuts...you and your regurgitated Don Rickles schtick.

[slobdinger]

It's certainly easy to spend someone else's money. I wouldn't rush to spend $500 with a promise of being reimbursed from a non business with no recourse.

Since Rob is convinced he's right why isn't he sending his returns to me first and saving the $500 for Arc's returns? Of course I am being selfish here -- I don't want anything to get in the way of that dinner I've waited a year to get.

Alan, you won the dinner fair and square. If Rob uses any kind of excuse not to pay you off he is a welsh plain and simple.

[slobdinger]

You are so close to exposing Rob Singer, and you are the only one who can accomplish this.
?

Belly, you are giving me a belly full of laughs. Rob is never going to send his returns to Alan no matter how many conditions arci fulfills. You are a fool for thinking that he will.

[coach belly]

Belly, you are giving me a belly full of laughs. Rob is never going to send his returns to Alan no matter how many conditions arci fulfills. You are a fool for thinking that he will.

If arci sends his returns to Alan, and Rob does not, then Rob is exposed.

You couldn't figure that out?

[Rob.Singer]

It's certainly easy to spend someone else's money. I wouldn't rush to spend $500 with a promise of being reimbursed from a non business with no recourse.

Since Rob is convinced he's right why isn't he sending his returns to me first and saving the $500 for Arc's returns? Of course I am being selfish here -- I don't want anything to get in the way of that dinner I've waited a year to get.

READ what I have told you about Schedule A, Line 28 Alan. Read what coach has said. Then, read what regnis just said about 7 years. And most of all, READ all the circle-jerk excuses about why arci changes HIS OWN conditions mid-game. What's all that spell to you?

You wouldn't rush to do this--more encouragement & apologizing for arci. But I'll sure believe you'd rush out to hit the vp machines.

Get real--he's playing you. A liar like him will do anything to hope he looks good in front of the most important people left in his world.

[slobdinger]

I'm not backing Rob...I'm working to verify what he has claimed for a decade and a half.

Your mind is already made up, so you can't handle the possibility that he has done what he says.

I'm new to this...so I don't know, and I'm trying to find out.

But I'm not taking your word for it...you're nuts...you and your regurgitated Don Rickles schtick.

belly, you are off the mark. If Rob's strategy works then more power to him. I've never tried his tactics so really can't say one way or the other. I just know this. My scientific methodology has worked well for me for 19 years and I've done it enough to know it will work well in the future. My poor old daddy told me "if it ain't broke don't fix it." When I showed up in the forums 10 years ago Rob told everyone I was a phony and a fake and he has held that position ever since. That's what he says about all AP's. Only the great Singer's tactics can beat the game. Nothing else works. That's the real phony and fake in this ongoing fiasco.

[FABismonte]

When I bought my house, I did not have to pay first then "trust" the seller that I would get a Deed to the property. We simply opened up an escrow with an intermediary. The deal was the documents, money and what not, were deposited with an escrow agent then and ONLY when everything was inputted, did anyone get anything released.

Alan is volunteering to be the escrow agent and presumably will hold the cash reimbursement (or certified funds) and receive and release the respective IRS returns obtained. So no payment is really at risk if the sequencing is logically worked out.

The fact that Rob and Arci are still debating the details instead of moving forward indicates to me that no deal will ever be made.

FAB

[slobdinger]

When I bought my house, I did not have to pay first then "trust" the seller that I would get a Deed to the property. We simply opened up an escrow with an intermediary. The deal was the documents, money and what not, were deposited with an escrow agent then and ONLY when everything was inputted, did anyone get anything released.

Alan is volunteering to be the escrow agent and presumably will hold the cash reimbursement (or certified funds) and receive and release the respective IRS returns obtained. So no payment is really at risk if the sequencing is logically worked out.

The fact that Rob and Arci are still debating the details instead of moving forward indicates to me that no deal will ever be made.

FAB

arci HAS moved forward. It's in the mail.

[slobdinger]

Hopefully a dragonslaying visit to Montana is in your future, to collect an easy $10K.

Since Rob has not accepted my challenge to date I'm changing it.

1. There is no way in hell Rob and I could tolerate each other for 10 days.

2. Rob will see the handwriting on the wall on the first day and will abscond by the second day.

So l'm making it a one day affair. I will start when the casinos open at 8 AM. Rob can follow me around and monitor how much money I put in the machines and how much I cash out. He is not to touch a machine. He is not to interfere in any way. I will only use legitimate strategy and all available information. And I certainly will not use Singer's martingale. The bet is whether or not I produce a $500 win by midnight. I'll most likely have it done by early afternoon but I'm giving myself a lot of leeway.

Rob can take anywhere from $1000 to $10,000 action on the bet.

As you can see in the link. I'm ready to go.

http://www.imgur.com/6mLJc9z

If you think I pirated this photo then take a look at the next one. You can see today's date on the Great Falls Tribune, Thursday, December 17, 2015.

http://www.imgur.com/dOECMyd

Let's go. I'm ready to rumble.

[Alan Mendelson]

you and your regurgitated Don Rickles schtick.

I didn't want to say it before, but those insults that slobdinger wrote before had me laughing out loud. I must have had a sheltered life because I never heard them before. Very funny.