Rigged machines, programmed cold cycles, and server based technology??

[coach belly]

Some of you guys have serious reading comprehension problems.

Either that, or you have an agenda that compels you to disregard what was written.

I played for a living within very strict parameters the first time I hit one. The 2nd time was more mainstream since I wasn't playing for any type of weekly or yearly goals.

[Rob.Singer]

This is what I remember. Now Rob mentions the Alternative Minimum Tax????

Here's the only meaningful comment/question, and even this one is the result of self-implemented confusion.

For ten years I filed as a business Alan--remember? In 2010 I went back to filing as I always had prior, using schedule A and thereby being much more susceptible to the AMT.

Yes, it seems mickey has wandered back after even the little old ladies who play pennies on vpfree started ignoring his silly made-up gambling tales of course from "yesteryear" where he never has any evidence--only the word of an old hobo-like failed "ap" who yearns to re-write his humiliating history that led him to where he is today.

Say hi to your visiting family over the holidays mick. Gotta be flyin' in in first class from afar

[mickeycrimm]

Say hi to your visiting family over the holidays mick. Gotta be flyin' in in first class from afar

I've been off the rails for 20 years, Rob. I flew up to Juneau in August and spent a week with my folks.

[mickeycrimm]

Some of you guys have serious reading comprehension problems. Either that, or you have an agenda that compels you to disregard what was written.

No, I don't have an agenda, belly. I reread Rob's post and you are right. He payed the hefty tax on the one he hit after he retired. But that just makes his story more incredible. He didn't pay a dime of income tax for ten years filing as a business, but points out to us that he actually made a $100,000 profit each year. How many business' do you know that have pulled that off? Trump probably got away with that by taking a big loss in one year then writing it off for several years. But he was filing as a business the whole time. Rob has acknowledged that he filed as an amateur for 5 years, then filed as a professional for 10 years, then went back to filing as an amateur. So Rob couldn't make the move that Trump did.

[james40]

Now that the band is back together, what's the over/under this goes to 10 pages of blather before the weekend is over?

[coach belly]

He didn't pay a dime of income tax for ten years filing as a business, but points out to us that he actually made a $100,000 profit each year. How many business' do you know that have pulled that off?

This is easily verified...Rob can provide his tax returns for each of the years that he made the $100K profit.

(that's for you james...I took the over)

[Alan Mendelson]

Everyone is home for the holidays.

[Rob.Singer]

Well mickey is certainly home for the holidays. Home alone.

[mickeycrimm]

Rob, Rob, Rob. I play video poker using the best knowledge and best information I have available. Surprise Rob -- some of that information comes from YOU.

I do not consider your information about programmed cold cycles to be good information or valid. But I am open to the idea if you can show me the proof. Investigative journalism requires proof.

I used proof when I helped to send the mechanics of a mortgage banking scheme to prison. I used proof when I investigated the oil industry which prompted the state of New York to rewrite consumer protection laws for the gasoline business.

I used proof of crimes (I created the term "drive by mortgage fraud") when I testified before the California legislature about the need to change the laws for mortgages and deeds in the state.

Show me your PROOF. Don't tell me you spoke to a programmer. Because for every programmer you say you have spoken to who says there are programmed cold cycles, I guarantee you I can find a dozen experts who say it's not true.

Because you don't have absolute proof you would not win a criminal case. And without a preponderance of evidence you could not win a civil case.

I am perplexed by this question about proving the existence of "programmed cold cycles." Why is this such a big issue for you? When the issue of non-random machines was brought up before you said you still played them. And now?

Alan, the question begs to be asked "what would be the motivation to program RNG's with hot and cold streaks that do not naturally occur in a 52/53 card deck?" I think the answer is quite simple, to take the variance out of the house edge so that the house can count on making so much money on so many dealt hands. The technology to do this absolutely does exist. But the problem is it is completely illegal to use that technology in Class III video poker games in the United States.

The "pre-programmed streaks" that Rob "see's" naturally occur in a 52/53 card deck whether it's on a machine or playing with a live deck on your kitchen table.

[mickeycrimm]

Everyone is home for the holidays.

Yes, home for the holidays. We bottomed out at minus 22 degrees this morning with wind chills in the minus forties. I had to knock a foot of snow off my car. But I've got 690 cold cranking amps under the hood so had no problem starting it up. We're on the upswing now as the cold front is headed east. We're supposed to be back up in the 30's by Monday.

[redietz]

Yes, home for the holidays. We bottomed out at minus 22 degrees this morning with wind chills in the minus forties. I had to knock a foot of snow off my car. But I've got 690 cold cranking amps under the hood so had no problem starting it up. We're on the upswing now as the cold front is headed east. We're supposed to be back up in the 30's by Monday.

Note to self: Do not visit Montana between December and April.

[slingshot]

Alan, the question begs to be asked "what would be the motivation to program RNG's with hot and cold streaks that do not naturally occur in a 52/53 card deck?" I think the answer is quite simple, to take the variance out of the house edge so that the house can count on making so much money on so many dealt hands. The technology to do this absolutely does exist. But the problem is it is completely illegal to use that technology in Class III video poker games in the United States.

The "pre-programmed streaks" that Rob "see's" naturally occur in a 52/53 card deck whether it's on a machine or playing with a live deck on your kitchen table.

Interesting- the technology exists. Now here's my question. IF the programming is used to assure a certain allowable amount to a casino, AND to assure the allowable amount to the player; I.e., simulated randomness- as long as the amounts fell within legal parameters- HOW would anyone know the programming was illegal? The casino would be able to maintain its take/payout legally AND the outcome of certain draws (flushes, straights, full houses) could be precursors to an impending hot/cold cycle, as this would be the simplest way to gradually exhaust/increase credits.

[Alan Mendelson]

The Nevada Gaming Commission tests machines. They could discover such a program.

[redietz]

The Nevada Gaming Commission tests machines. They could discover such a program.

If they are on schedule, and they rarely are, machines may get tested every 18 months or so. And if the testing schedule were leaked (yeah, like that couldn't happen), the whole testing procedure would be of no value.

This stuff isn't a secret. It was published in American Casino Guide years ago.

[Rob.Singer]

It looks as if Alan chooses to believe that everything controversial in life is required to be proven in court. If that were REALLY the way businesses operate, nothing would ever get done. Surprising he doesn't understand both that---and that the NGC and their so-called testing schedule & standards, can easily be circumvented, manipulated, and even bought off, you know, like lobbyists have been doing with our politicians for years (until Trump, that is!).

Alan, the programmed-in cycles and why I still play machines if I felt this is the case. First, not every machine is being biased, and when you train yourself how to be suspicious on the machine you're playing and IF you possess the ability to just get up and move--thereby creating a self-imposed break in your gambling action (something I'm sure you well know is almost impossible to players seeking that next big hit along with the need for instant gratification)--then it's a negligible issue.

It's amazing how so many intelligent people believe these things cannot happen in a multi-billion dollar a year vice industry. Oh yeah I forgot: if they (the casinos) get caught then their doors will be shut

[jbjb]

The above is exactly why this site is dead and nobody comes here. There's more voodoo bullshit nonsense in that post than there is in every Haitian witch doctors office combined!! Once again, Rob Jackass Singer has no clue how an RNG or a deck of cards works. There are no fucking hot or cold cycles, or any other fucking "cycles" programmed into it...PERIOD!

[Alan Mendelson]

I look at it this way: saying that there are cold cycles and rigged machines are great excuses for losing.

Another great excuse for losing: a "dice controller" says a chip got in the way. Well, if he was a really good controller, he wouldn't have hit the chip.*

*sometimes it's impossible to avoid chips when the roll goes on for some time and the table is filled with them.

[blackhole]

There are approximately 170,000 machines just in Nevada. Many of those machines in the course of any year, will have multiple malfunctions. Obvious malfunctions, are well obvious. But, if a machine is under or over paying it will always be written off as bad or good luck. Video poker of course would also be considered a machine, although outcomes according to class III regulations are programmed differently, they too are also subject to the same types of computer malfunctions.

I might stand corrected here for Nevada, but, I’m certain when I read regulations in Atlantic City, total coin in and coin out are recorded and reviewed weekly, monthly, quarterly, and annually, both by a casino employed slot tech and a regulator. All these recorded numbers are matched to each specific machine on the floor, and are stored in a special secure room provided by the casino, and where other pre-approved sealed software is stored. To enter this room requires two different keys like a safety box. A casino employee has a key and a regulator has the other key. I also think I remember that this room doesn’t even have to be located on the casino premises. Also, the security requirements of this room were well over the top.

All RNG software is sealed by a regulator and installed with a regulator present. This software could only be removed or replaced with a regulator present. This includes when the house after applying for change first, want to change the house hold percentage on any machine.

I’m certain there were and still is endless errors being found and corrected with these machines. All of this information regardless which side of the machine benefited will never be made public, making certain to protect the integrity.

If the press were able to keep printing articles like the confirmed regulator software programmer Ron Harris who rigged software in the 90’s for a couple years, or that shuffling machines are stacking the decks, or consistently getting caught with machines paying below the legal 75%, etc., eventually the casinos would crash and burn.

I think the games are rigged enough against the punter out of the gate. Of course, they're not rigged enough for the AP who turns them into ATM machines. (Had to throw that in there to prevent 10 pages of bullshit and arguments)

Imagine how dumb any person must be, or the gambling problem any person must have to even consider playing offshore online unregulated casinos. Especially when most offshore online casinos who offer play to the USA market are coming out of Costa Rica, where there’s no regulation at all. All they have to do is pay a license fee to the government every year. They call it self regulation. Imagine counting on getting a fair game when the person your betting against personally controls all the outcomes? Yet, they do billions of dollars a year out of the USA. Go figure.

[jbjb]

"Dice control"...more voodoo nonsense. When are you guys going to realize that Scoblete, Dominator, etc., are just hucksters selling worthless garbage?

It's funny though, because Scoblete, was the one that coined the term "ploppy" when in reality he's the biggest ploppy of them all!

[jbjb]

I think the games are rigged enough against the punter out of the gate. Of course, they're not rigged enough for the AP who turns them into ATM machines. (Had to throw that in there to prevent 10 pages of bullshit and arguments)

Of course they're rigged against you by short paying true odds.

And yeah, we get it. Your a jealous loser who doesn't want to learn to gain an edge to beat casino games. Get over it.