Big Casino Wins and Jackpots

[regnis]

Like all of the "bets" on the internet, it's time to end this as it ain't never gonna happen.

[jbjb]

1 million hands is too small of a sample size. I'd go no less than 1 trillion hands.

[regnis]

Just toss a coin. If you win, the donkey will send you a bottle of scotch.

[Alan Mendelson]

1-million deals is a different bet than 1-million hands.

Not setting the denomination of play is also a factor, because as I pointed out earlier, the player could start out at a high denomination and then after hitting something big could switch to penny VP playing one coin per hand for the balance of the million hands (or deals).

[jbjb]

1-million deals is a different bet than 1-million hands.

Not setting the denomination of play is also a factor, because as I pointed out earlier, the player could start out at a high denomination and then after hitting something big could switch to penny VP playing one coin per hand for the balance of the million hands (or deals).

Agreed. Play a $100 machine first and make a full house on the very first hand then switch to 1¢ machine and play the balance of hands. The more hands played at once also lowers variance.

Either way, no matter who wins, it doesn't prove squat.

[coach belly]

Either way, no matter who wins, it doesn't prove squat.

What this all proves is what I wrote in the first place.

Fakers throw these bets and challenges around that are so unrealistic to play out that nobody can accept.

The wormm offered several $10K bets in this thread alone...but he won't put the money up front, he wants to bet $10K on credit.

I can play one million hands in a day...but no, the wormm says he must sit next to me in Montana for six months and watch me play single line.

He's deranged...nothing but a shit-talking phony.

[mickeycrimm]

1-million deals is a different bet than 1-million hands.
Not setting the denomination of play is also a factor, because as I pointed out earlier, the player could start out at a high denomination and then after hitting something big could switch to penny VP playing one coin per hand for the balance of the million hands (or deals).

The 100 play scenario is irrelevant to me anyway because there aren't any multi-hand video poker games in Montana. And Belly will never get the chance to manipulate me with changing denominations. He's going to flat bet $1.25 per hand on a single line game on a million hand challenge. If he wants to waste my time then I will waste his time and money. I'll screw it off in his ass. Get your ass on up here, Belly.

[Alan Mendelson]

mickey we all realize that this will never happen. No one is going to waste five months playing single line video poker at $1.25 just to prove a point... if they have a life.

[mickeycrimm]

mickey we all realize that this will never happen. No one is going to waste five months playing single line video poker at $1.25 just to prove a point... if they have a life.

Alan, there's two things going on here. All belly has ever done is insult the hell out of me on this site. It goes back a long ways. So I damn sure won't do belly any favors by shelling out for travel, meals and lodging, plus losing productivity by being out of action on my own plays, while tied up with him.

But 2nd, by not doing him any favors I'm actually doing him a favor. I just got a response on vpFREE. At 8/5 Bonus Poker the standard deviation is .00435% on one million hands. That's 4.35 tenths of a percent. So at 7/5 Bonus Poker it would be at least a 4 sigma event for him to be at breakeven or better on a million hands. That's more than 4 standard deviations. The frequency of occurance on 4 standard deviations is less than 3 in 10,000.

[bocce ball]

Negotiated in good faith? He says his conditions are non-negotiable. His intention is to make the challenge unrealistic.

I agree with you that he's being inflexible, but has he actually refused a reasonable scenario? I'm not sure a reasonable scenario exists. I think the validity of using a 100-play machine could be debated either way. Location is a huge problem because it's established that he never visits Vegas, and his potential win on the bet is only $100.

And even if those impediments are resolved, you're still faced with the inconvenience of playing several long sessions to reach the target. I think we all had an idea from the beginning that it was an impractical proposal, which is why it's hard to take seriously.

[Rob.Singer]

The one and only reason mickey is refusing the 100-play machine--which happens to be the only reasonable machine in a challenge such as this--is because he is financially incapable of going to LV, so he is able to T&C out of the bet. Typical chickenshit.

He also wants no part of playing a multi-denomination strategy because he knows coach may well play my strategy and mickey well knows how often I've won over the years.

Conclusion: mickey is a BS-spewing cowardly sissy.

[mickeycrimm]

What this all proves is what I wrote in the first place. Fakers throw these bets and challenges around that are so unrealistic to play out that nobody can accept. The wormm offered several $10K bets in this thread alone...but he won't put the money up front, he wants to bet $10K on credit.I can play one million hands in a day...but no, the wormm says he must sit next to me in Montana for six months and watch me play single line. He's deranged...nothing but a shit-talking phony.

Sit next to you and LMAO while you dump thousands on the stupidest bet you ever made in your life, maggot.

[redietz]

I have a question regarding "deals" and "hands." I don't know who uses what lingo, but since video poker hands are a two-step process that is different in multi-line than in single line, shouldn't there be a third term to describe hands that result from a "seed deal" as opposed to those that don't? Does anyone know the proper terminology?

[dannyj]

Just toss a coin. If you win, the donkey will send you a bottle of scotch.

Ouch regnis,
I had forgotten about that "contest". How gullible was I? For about 15 minutes I actually thought I was going to be sent a bottle of scotch.

[mickeycrimm]

I have a question regarding "deals" and "hands." I don't know who uses what lingo, but since video poker hands are a two-step process that is different in multi-line than in single line, shouldn't there be a third term to describe hands that result from a "seed deal" as opposed to those that don't? Does anyone know the proper terminology?

The "dealt hand" is what you get on the first five cards. I sometimes refer to it as "the flop." The "final hand" is what you get after the draw. That's my terminology.

[mickeycrimm]

The wormm offered several $10K bets in this thread alone...but he won't put the money up front, he wants to bet $10K on credit.

I don't play on credit, porkbelly. I'm all cash and carry. Here's my end of the bet, assclown. Zoom in and check out the date on the newspaper. Then check the time stamp on this post.

http://www.imgur.com/npTcbn5

[mickeycrimm]

The one and only reason mickey is refusing the 100-play machine--which happens to be the only reasonable machine in a challenge such as this--is because he is financially incapable of going to LV, so he is able to T&C out of the bet. Typical chickenshit. He also wants no part of playing a multi-denomination strategy because he knows coach may well play my strategy and mickey well knows how often I've won over the years. Conclusion: mickey is a BS-spewing cowardly sissy.

^^^^^This from the bet welsher himself.

[Rob.Singer]

I don't play on credit, porkbelly. I'm all cash and carry. Here's my end of the bet, assclown. Zoom in and check out the date on the newspaper. Then check the time stamp on this post.

http://www.imgur.com/npTcbn5

Funny stuff. mickey now announcing--probably with an assist from a dozen empty bottles--that he can't get credit or a credit card

[RS__]

I have a question regarding "deals" and "hands." I don't know who uses what lingo, but since video poker hands are a two-step process that is different in multi-line than in single line, shouldn't there be a third term to describe hands that result from a "seed deal" as opposed to those that don't? Does anyone know the proper terminology?

One round is a set of hitting deal & draw. If someone says "1000 hands" I automatically assume they mean 100 rounds/deals, and if they meant anything else then they're stupid for not specifying.

I've never really liked calling 1 round of 100-play as "100 hands". It would be like someone playing 2 hands at a time at a blackjack table and saying they're getting 200 hands per hour when they're getting 100 rounds per hour. I hope people don't start saying they can crank out 40,000 hands per hour.


I don't think Mickey's "bet" was meant to be a real proposition, but more of a common phrase type thing, saying how unlikely winning after 1M rounds on a 98% game would. Ya ever hear someone say, "I betcha a million bucks..."? It's not someone saying they're actually going to make such a wager, but they are very confident in their side. And in this case, Mickey is absolutely right, as winning after 1M hands on a 98% VP game would be quite improbable.

If coach had any sense, he'd realize wagering 1:100 on being ahead after 1M hands on a 98% game would be a ludicrous bet. I don't suspect that anything he's said thus far has been serious, rather, trying to play the "gotcha game"......as I suspected, quite a while ago.

[mickeycrimm]

Funny stuff. mickey now announcing--probably with an assist from a dozen empty bottles--that he can't get credit or a credit card

Thanks for reminding me, Rob. I just checked with Experian. My credit rating is 797. I maintain credit because you have to have it to do various things. I pay my balances off every month so interest is of no concern to me. I'm not an expert on credit and am certainly not burdened with credit card debt. I just received another unsolicited offer for a credit line. I accepted the card because there is no yearly fee and the money I spend in restaurants and supermarkets gets me a big discount on gasoline. I run through 50 or 60 gallons a month so it should be a big savings to me. I'm always looking for loopholes and hidden charges. If I catch them screwing me I cancel the card.

Rob, how is your credit rating after those two recent judgements for non-payment of rent?