Any Experience with M Resort $500 Loss Rebate?

[kewlJ]

Blackhole, it is your right to believe or not believe whoever you like. But you don't have the right to arbitrarily assassinate the character of the AP's of this site by implying criminal activity (tax evasion and fraud), and that the AP's on this site are on welfare (Medicaid). This is a low thing to do and shows you to be a pretty small person, if you can't make your argument without resorting to completely unfounded lies.

No different than if I say Blackhole is a drug addict and drug dealer who rapes 9 year old girls. I have no knowledge of such and it would be pretty sleazy to post that, just because I don't care for your point of view. If you don't approve of advantage play and AP's that is your right. But don't just make shit up to assassinate the character of AP's that you know nothing about. Be better than this.

[redietz]

Somebody got up on the wrong side of bed this morning. It's okay, blackhole, you're still loved and cherished. Try to get over it. Boy, sometimes I think you may not be ahead of the casinos lifetime.

Another meaningless post from the forums own outer space pet alien.

So, blackie, did you ever come to a conclusion on games of opinion? Beatable in your expert opinion or not? You know, poker, race betting, sports betting. Let me guess -- you never exactly conquered any of those, either. That's okay. Not everybody does.

May I suggest you quit gambling? You seem to have some real issues here. As one friend to another....

[blackhole]

Blackhole, it is your right to believe or not believe whoever you like. But you don't have the right to arbitrarily assassinate the character of the AP's of this site by implying criminal activity (tax evasion and fraud), and that the AP's on this site are on welfare (Medicaid). This is a low thing to do and shows you to be a pretty small person, if you can't make your argument without resorting to completely unfounded lies.

No different than if I say Blackhole is a drug addict and drug dealer who rapes 9 year old girls. I have no knowledge of such and it would be pretty sleazy to post that, just because I don't care for your point of view. If you don't approve of advantage play and AP's that is your right. But don't just make shit up to assassinate the character of AP's that you know nothing about. Be better than this.

My opinionated assumptions are just my response to the AP opinionated assumptions. I have no facts or proof to any of my assumptions. Which, by the way are absolutely no different than your AP claims without any facts or proof of anything. I have to tell ya, my assumptions seem to make a lot more sense than yours.

Honestly, I feel like I hit a personal nerve. You claim to make over 100k a year AP’ing the casinos for over 10 years or whatever now. How about you showing us some IRS returns with some canceled checks that match the returns and your claims of profit? Of course darken your name and address. They will also show your medical deductions and proof of insurance, and put all of my assumptions to rest. I’ll be the first to apologize after you prove your righteous loyalty.

Tax evasion, fraud, drug dealing, drug abuse, pedophilia, rape … yea, your comparisons sound like their coming from a reasonable person.

[blackhole]

Somebody got up on the wrong side of bed this morning. It's okay, blackhole, you're still loved and cherished. Try to get over it. Boy, sometimes I think you may not be ahead of the casinos lifetime.

Another meaningless post from the forums own outer space pet alien.

So, blackie, did you ever come to a conclusion on games of opinion? Beatable in your expert opinion or not? You know, poker, race betting, sports betting. Let me guess -- you never exactly conquered any of those, either. That's okay. Not everybody does.

May I suggest you quit gambling? You seem to have some real issues here. As one friend to another....

Reading anything you post is always a waste of time. Last time I'm responding to your disabled thoughts. Think you should respond to coach in other "BS AP" thread, where he just made a complete fool of your alleged factual research.

[kewlJ]

You claim to make over 100k a year AP’ing the casinos for over 10 years or whatever now. How about you showing us some IRS returns with some canceled checks that match the returns and your claims of profit? Of course darken your name and address. They will also show your medical deductions and proof of insurance, and put all of my assumptions to rest. I’ll be the first to apologize after you prove your righteous loyalty.

Why on earth would I do that? What benefit is there to me? I could give a rats ass if you believe me or not. Doesn't effect my life one bit.

Now if you want to make it beneficial to me to do so, I am up for that. I am up for a wager. Any amount over 10K of your choosing.

Here's how it would work. We will agree on a third party, arbitrator, that we both feel comfortable with. A couple well known names that I would throw out there are Richard Munchkin or Attorney Bob Nersesian, but I would be open to other suggestions. I am not open to Alan. If we can not come to an agreement, we could pick a legal arbitration law firm that neither of us has ties to.

Once an arbitrator is agreed to, you and I will both submit funds in the amount of the wager, once both parties have done so, I will submit my documentation. The agreed arbitor will be the final judge. No appeals or do overs.

Balls in your court. Let's see who wants to put up or shut up?

And by BTW, I do not claim to have made 100k for 10 years. I am in my 14 year and have made just over a million dollars total and I can document that. If you do the math, that is 70k or so, per year (average) for my career. As a matter of fact I have only topped the six figure mark twice in 2013 and 2014. But I have averaged just a hair over 100k for the last 6 years and I can document that, as well. But I am not going to document anything just to satisfy your curiosity. That means nothing to me. But if you make it worth my while....we are on!

[AxelWolf]

Reviling how much money you make online is asanine. Some people have not leaned there lesson. IIRC KJ had been robbed talking about his AP.

No one who has good information they are actually profiting from is going to revile that information publicly.

There is nothing to gain, it can only hurt you. So that's exactly why people are only willing to take that risk if there is something on the line that is worthwhile. Risk VS Reward. Why do some people give up TMI? People have other agendas. Perhaps they have dreams of radio shows, books, websites or whatever. Even KJ said something about a book.

[blackhole]

And here it is folks … every time any AP is backed in a corner the typical and expected AP put-up or shut-up challenge shows its ugly face.

Kewlj’s quote, “ I am in my 14 year and have made just over a million dollars total and I can document that. If you do the math, that is 70k or so, per year (average) for my career. As a matter of fact I have only topped the six figure mark twice in 2013 and 2014. But I have averaged just a hair over 100k for the last 6 years and I can document that, as well.”
(so which is it? You only topped the six figure mark twice in 2013,2014, yet, you managed just over 100k which is six figures in my book for the last six years. Please explain)

I hope for your sake you did at least make that average type living especially after taxes, medical expenses, retirement planning, along with all other expenses that come with owning a home, car etc. etc.

You’re on this forum bragging how well you’re doing beating the casinos. Now you want me to put up ten grand for you to prove you’re really making what you claim to be.

It would be a good idea to take your head out of your ass every once in a while, and get some fresh air.

Are you really serious about the nonsense you just typed? Arbitrators, lawyers, third parties, for what? To prove you make a measly 70K a year? Take a fn walk and wipe the shit off your face, you’re stinking up the place.

You’re making the claims, you put-up or shut-up. Besides, most here would be impressed if you could even prove 70K a year. Do you even realize what you’re babbling about?

Oh yea and off the record. I and I think most here couldn’t care less about you and your unproven 70K a year windfall.

[kewlJ]

You’re on this forum bragging how well you’re doing beating the casinos.

I am not bragging. I share my experiences in the hopes that other, particularly newer players might benefit. Part of that sharing is what I make, hopefully showing what kind of money is realistically possible from blackjack card counting, since many of the young guys have unrealistic expectations, in part based on the books and movies about the MIT teams.

You’re making the claims, you put-up or shut-up. Besides, most here would be impressed if you could even prove 70K a year. Do you even realize what you’re babbling about?

Is English you primary language, because you seem to be having a hard time comprehending a couple simple concepts? Let me say again....I do not care what you believe or think. Whether or not you believe me or find me credible is completely irrelevant to me. Has ZERO effect on me or my life. You are a bug....a gnat buzzing around. Nothing more.

And because you are totally irrelevant, there no reason for me to prove anything to satisfy your curiosity. There is no benefit in that to me at all. In the risk vs reward scale that I weigh all decisions, there is substantial risk and no reward for me to prove anything to you. You of course can change that and make it beneficial to me (increase reward), by putting up a wager. YOU are challenging my claims, so put some money where your mouth is. Otherwise, just crawl away like the bug that you are.

Oh yea and off the record. I and I think most here couldn’t care less about you and your unproven 70K a year windfall.

so which is it? You only topped the six figure mark twice in 2013, 2014, yet, you managed just over 100k which is six figures in my book for the last six years. Please explain)

Good lord, "you couldn't care less" or "please explain"....right in the same post. You are all over the place contradicting yourself.

But I am happy to explain:

2012: total AP earnings: $138,000 ($81,000 from blackjack)
2013: total AP earnings: $135,000 ($115,000 from blackjack)
2014: total AP earnings: $48,000 ($27,000 from blackjack)
2015: total AP earnings: $93,000 ($63,000 from blackjack)
2016: total AP earnings: $98,000 ($75,000 from blackjack)
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5 year total AP earnings: $512,000
5 year AVERAGE AP earnings $102,000

[blackhole]

You are a bug....a gnat buzzing around. Nothing more.
just crawl away like the bug that you are.

Now look what you did. I'm contemplating suicide.

[jbjb]

You are a bug....a gnat buzzing around. Nothing more.
just crawl away like the bug that you are.

Now look what you did. I'm contemplating suicide.

Good riddance!!

[kewlJ]

To prove you make a measly 70K a year?
Oh yea and off the record. I and I think most here couldn’t care less about you and your unproven 70K a year windfall.

The reason my 14 year (career) average is $70k is because it includes the early years where I was playing very low limit and making squat. My first 3 years I made $31,000....that is total, not combined. An average of $10k a year. I am not complaining...that was part of the process. I am just saying that is the reason for the average being 70k, rather than closer to 6 figures. This would be like if a career working man was looking at his average earnings. The first couple years where he was working minimum wage, is going to reduce that average.

The fact is that since I began playing my current stakes and moved to Vegas in 2009, I have averaged high five figures, close to 100k. But I don't care....you can use the 70k figure....to attempt to low-ball. I am proud to say, I have averaged 70k a year for 14 years. You can belittle that. Maybe you earn much more....good for you. I am thrilled with 70k a year. It is more than I anticipated when I started. And the 100k, that I am actually making now, is far more than I ever anticipated.

[kewlJ]

You are a bug....a gnat buzzing around. Nothing more.
just crawl away like the bug that you are.

Now look what you did. I'm contemplating suicide.

I am happy to spring for the bug spray.

[Alan Mendelson]

Just in case anyone from the IRS or representing my ex-wives is looking at this thread: I have NEVER had a profitable year gambling.

And if there is an AP out there who would like to prove he has a profit gambling, the only thing that counts is your tax return and a copy of the canceled check payable to the US Treasury. Nothing else counts. Nothing.

[kewlJ]

Reviling how much money you make online is asanine. Some people have not leaned there lesson. IIRC KJ had been robbed talking about his AP.

No one who has good information they are actually profiting from is going to revile that information publicly.

There is nothing to gain, it can only hurt you. So that's exactly why people are only willing to take that risk if there is something on the line that is worthwhile. Risk VS Reward. Why do some people give up TMI? People have other agendas. Perhaps they have dreams of radio shows, books, websites or whatever. Even KJ said something about a book.

Axel, I am not a math guy (geek). I am not a great AP, like yourself and Mickey, or a James Grosjean, that can figure out different ways to beat the casino. I am a lowly card counter. Nothing I do is new. Everything was learned from others and most of those "others" were on one of two blackjack sites that I participated on early in my career. Some of those guys worked hard teaching me, because I was resistant at times. And there was no reason for them to do so, no benefit for them. And when I turned the corner and began to have a little success, I vowed to pay that forward.

The way I do that is to share my journey. That's what I have done for, I don't know...7 or 8 years now. I share my journey....the ups and downs, the winning, the losing for weeks and months. The backoffs, the frustrations, the 'perfect shoe' in 2011. I can't share my journey and experiences without sharing the numbers. And I think sharing the actual numbers is important, because many of the newer players, come into the game with crazy, unrealistic expectations, from books and movies, especially the books and movies concerning the MIT teams.

I want these newer, young guys starting out to know, that blackjack AP play isn't high-end comped hotel suites and making millions per year. That's the movies and books. But real BJ card counting AP is not like that. It is much more of a grind. And it is not max bets of 10 grand. It's much more modest limits that are better tolerated. And playing these limits means an earnings ceiling of upper five figures, to maybe just touching 6 figures from blackjack. Maybe a little more if you do some supplemental stuff. So I share my numbers to convey that.

Yes I was robbed. And I know for a fact it was related to my participation on several forums. There are dangers. But I vowed to share my journey and that is how important it is to me to do so, just as others helped me.

[redietz]

Another meaningless post from the forums own outer space pet alien.

So, blackie, did you ever come to a conclusion on games of opinion? Beatable in your expert opinion or not? You know, poker, race betting, sports betting. Let me guess -- you never exactly conquered any of those, either. That's okay. Not everybody does.

May I suggest you quit gambling? You seem to have some real issues here. As one friend to another....

Reading anything you post is always a waste of time. Last time I'm responding to your disabled thoughts. Think you should respond to coach in other "BS AP" thread, where he just made a complete fool of your alleged factual research.

If you find anywhere I said I did "research," let me know. In fact, I think I said that it should be easy enough to debunk this theory. If anyone finds 100-Hand instead of 100-Play, let me know. I said I don't think you will.

I was wrong. I don't have much issue with being wrong. I'm always amenable to changing my mind.

[pkspins]

But I am happy to explain:

2012: total AP earnings: $138,000 ($81,000 from blackjack)
2013: total AP earnings: $135,000 ($115,000 from blackjack)
2014: total AP earnings: $48,000 ($27,000 from blackjack)
2015: total AP earnings: $93,000 ($63,000 from blackjack)
2016: total AP earnings: $98,000 ($75,000 from blackjack)
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5 year total AP earnings: $512,000
5 year AVERAGE AP earnings $102,000

So the difference between the total earnings and the amounts from using your blackjack skills is what you earned working rebates or what? I'm not questioning you in a "challenging your claim" sense, I'm simply curious.

[redietz]

Just in case anyone from the IRS or representing my ex-wives is looking at this thread: I have NEVER had a profitable year gambling.

And if there is an AP out there who would like to prove he has a profit gambling, the only thing that counts is your tax return and a copy of the canceled check payable to the US Treasury. Nothing else counts. Nothing.

Alan, are you sure you voted for the Prez?

[kewlJ]

But I am happy to explain:

2012: total AP earnings: $138,000 ($81,000 from blackjack)
2013: total AP earnings: $135,000 ($115,000 from blackjack)
2014: total AP earnings: $48,000 ($27,000 from blackjack)
2015: total AP earnings: $93,000 ($63,000 from blackjack)
2016: total AP earnings: $98,000 ($75,000 from blackjack)
------------
5 year total AP earnings: $512,000
5 year AVERAGE AP earnings $102,000

So the difference between the total earnings and the amounts from using your blackjack skills is what you earned working rebates or what? I'm not questioning you in a "challenging your claim" sense, I'm simply curious.

The difference is AP earnings that were unrelated to blackjack. For me that is mostly video poker play and for the most part what makes this profitable is the disproportionate mailer bonuses (free play) that the casinos send out bases on play and to a lesser extent the drawings and contests won because of that play. Since 2013, I have had a partner in this area and we have generated between 40k and 60k per year which we slit evenly.

[FABismonte]

I will be interested to see if the free play require wife to personally show up at the desk or whether I can just use her PIN and card to access the free play.

Good question. Do they send you a code or do they have you show up at the rewards desk for a voucher?

I am sorry to disrupt this AP gossip fest, but I did promise to give an update on the M Resort Rebate conditions.

Last Saturday my wife and I went to M Resort and she lost $500. Seven calendar days later, on July 28th she received her email on the Rebate.

It states: "Thank you for visiting M Resort SPA & Casino ... Lady Luck wasn't on your side be we are! $500 in Free Play will be reimbursed to your account on the dates below. $250 valid 7/29/2017-8/29/2017 & $250 valid 8/30/2017 - 9/29/2017"

The email also says "No coupon is required. Free play will be loaded onto Marquee Rewards Card on valid dates above."

When my wife and I signed up for a card, we both put in PIN numbers.

Sorry for the interruption.

Now my thread can be once again hijacked.

FAB

[redietz]

Thanks, FAB. That fills in most of the blanks. I think 30 days is a pretty reasonable window.