STRIP SHOOTING VERY BAD

[regnis]

There is actually nothing to indicate that he was an AP. Whether he was a net winner or loser is not indicative of anything but good or bad luck. Why can't he just be someone of wealth who loved to gamble and maybe played the best games and took advantage of comps based upon the great amount of play that he had.

[mickeycrimm]

The ex-mayor of San Diego took a billion in W2-G's but lost millions. You can bet your ass she had some pretty good winning streaks but in the end she went broke.

What does "gamble a million a year" mean? Is that total wager? That would only be 8000 hands at 125 a hand. Or does it mean he lost a million a year?

[Alan Mendelson]

This, I'm afraid, is a real stretch. For those of you who have ever bought a home, you need to present documents that back up your source of income. If he listed "gambling" he'd also have to show something such as a win/loss statement or bank records indicating deposits with casino checks. You just can't make this stuff up when you buy real estate. Seller's and escrow agents protect themselves.

2) If his income winds up being listed as "gambling," and he was not an AP -- then bingo. The most likely scenario is that he was listing "gambling" as his primary source of income because he had other unnamed sources that he chose to explain as "gambling." Anyone can claim gambling wins as listed by as many W2Gs as one wants to list, and then fail to offset it with losses. If I had any kind of black market or ISIS funding or whatever, I could list income from the off shores at which I won as the source of my money, while failing to offset it with the list of off shores at which I lost. So I would go through life as a "professional gambler."

You also can't "shift income" from one source and list it as gambling on your tax return. To do so invites an audit.

Imagine for a moment a profit of $400,000 from a stock sale listed on the tax return as a gambling win. The first thing the IRS computers would notice is "where's the $400,000 from the stock sale?"

Now redietz does offer "gambling" as an alternative for money from ISIS or other black sources and that is a possibility and reinforces the idea that this guy was part of an organized terror network. In fact, laundering black money through casinos is not new and is why casinos track players with cash transaction reports.

[jbjb]

https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/gamb...ooter-gambler/

[kewlJ]

That Las Vegas Advisor piece was a very interesting read, but I am afraid that I don't totally agree with conclusions of Anthony Curtis concerning the definition of AP, in particular just where the "comp hustler" falls into the definition. If you are playing a long term negative expectation game of say, 99.17% or even blackjack at say 99.4% ad making up that final percent or half percent with comps, gifts, comped rooms, food beverage, you can't make a profit, (having more money at the end of play than before), or a living, unless you are turning that final .5-1% into cash, like the guy I mentioned earlier selling on ebay. In the absence of that you are a "comp hustler", playing for comps or free vacations.

I guess the exception would be someone that actually used those comped rooms and meals to live. There have been a couple guys floating around on message boards that actually just floated around between casinos for years at a time. They had no other home. That would blur the line between comp hustler and AP. Other than this rarest of examples, I differentiate between comp hustler and AP.

Captain Jack, whom I presume is the same Captain Jack, I know from a few forums like BJ21, and I actually always liked, wants to take it further to some dime store psychoanalysis, which as far as I know, he isn't professionally trained, nor qualified to do. Perhaps he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

Captain Jack wants to play off the well known characterization, that many AP's especially the solo types, not involved in team play with team members, are more likely to be introverts, comfortable alone with themselves for long periods and more comfortable with close small groups than larger groups of people. I consider myself to be an introvert and I completely concur that this characteristic is more prevalent among AP's, including the subset of comp hustlers, should you choose to include them in the AP ranks. I don't.

However, what Captain Jack's long distance, dime store psychoanalysis doesn't take into consideration is the clear and severe mental illness of this Paddock creep. I know many AP types (mostly online) that fit that introvert type, but none of them are likely to shoot hundreds of people. That is something else entirely. That is severe mental illness involved and I resent an reject that conclusion of Captain Jack that "He (paddock) is one of us".

I am a Philadelphia Eagles fan (the 4-1, first place Eagles). If Paddock was also an Eagles fan, I would also reject the conclusion that there must be some sort of mental deficiency or mental makeup among Eagles fan's that would make them more likely to commit such a horrific act. That is hogwash! That is kind of what Captain Jack did. That is discounting the primary and most important factor of individual mental illness.

[MisterV]

https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/gamb...ooter-gambler/

"He is us."

Food for thought.

[jbjb]

That Las Vegas Advisor piece was a very interesting read, but I am afraid that I don't totally agree with conclusions of Anthony Curtis concerning the definition of AP, in particular just where the "comp hustler" falls into the definition. If you are playing a long term negative expectation game of say, 99.17% or even blackjack at say 99.4% ad making up that final percent or half percent with comps, gifts, comped rooms, food beverage, you can't make a profit, (having more money at the end of play than before), or a living, unless you are turning that final .5-1% into cash, like the guy I mentioned earlier selling on ebay. In the absence of that you are a "comp hustler", playing for comps or free vacations.

I guess the exception would be someone that actually used those comped rooms and meals to live. There have been a couple guys floating around on message boards that actually just floated around between casinos for years at a time. They had no other home. That would blur the line between comp hustler and AP. Other than this rarest of examples, I differentiate between comp hustler and AP.

This is exactly what Dancer does though. AP isn't restricted to strictly making cash. Hell, I was AP'ing a Blimpie sub shop.

[mickeycrimm]

If you say to me "I gamble $10,000 a year" or "I gamble $100,000 a year" or "I gamble $1,000,00 a year" you are telling me that's how much you lose every year.

[regnis]

Mickey--on a 99% game I would say that if you gamble $100,000, you lost $1,000.

I agree that the general public has no idea about the amounts that someone gambles and what the amounts that are being thrown around really mean. What is a $100 VP player? Is it someone that brings $100 to the casino or someone that plays $100 denomination VP?

[Ozzy]

Did you read the article? He listed his income from gambling and he paid cash for the $300,000+ home.

On his application, he said his income came from "gambling." He gambled about $1 million a year, he told one of the agents.
And he paid cash for the house, the agents said -- $369,022.

I'm going by what the article said. I think you should be talking to CNN.

By the way, I've heard this before: if you're not playing a +EV game you can't have a profit.

What else is new?

The guy was playing high denomination VP, so It's possible the guy could have got lucky and hit 5 Royals for 100k in one day. AND ACTUALLY WON for that day/year, so he spent it on a house. Winning or losing doesn't make you an AP.

I dont know one AP(even the self-proclaimed loaners) that doesn't network a least a little with at least a few other AP's.

This guy was what I would call a value player. Most likely he had a gambling problem.

I remember someone saying that they hit 5 royals in a 24 hour period, and losing that day, but can't put my finger on it.....

[Alan Mendelson]

Did you read the article? He listed his income from gambling and he paid cash for the $300,000+ home.

On his application, he said his income came from "gambling." He gambled about $1 million a year, he told one of the agents.
And he paid cash for the house, the agents said -- $369,022.

I'm going by what the article said. I think you should be talking to CNN.

By the way, I've heard this before: if you're not playing a +EV game you can't have a profit.

What else is new?

The guy was playing high denomination VP, so It's possible the guy could have got lucky and hit 5 Royals for 100k in one day. AND ACTUALLY WON for that day/year, so he spent it on a house. Winning or losing doesn't make you an AP.

I dont know one AP(even the self-proclaimed loaners) that doesn't network a least a little with at least a few other AP's.

This guy was what I would call a value player. Most likely he had a gambling problem.

I remember someone saying that they hit 5 royals in a 24 hour period, and losing that day, but can't put my finger on it.....

That was my son. Unfortunately each royal was at $1 VP and after each royal he moved up to $5 and $10 VP and lost it. Then he restarted. Yes he lost money over 24 hours but it wasn't much.

I hit a $100k royal twice in two years. Those kept me going a kong, long time at $5 VP.

[MisterV]

So, why didn't you stop playing VP after those big wins?

Isn't "winning" what it's all about?

*coughs, snickers*

[Alan Mendelson]

So, why didn't you stop playing VP after those big wins?

Isn't "winning" what it's all about?

*coughs, snickers*

I detailed here, long before you joined us, what I did. After the first $100K royal I went home with a $90,000 check, called my son who drove up and gave him $3,000. Then over at Bellagio he hit the $5 progressive for something around $25,000. I continued playing as well and hit quad aces with a kicker on DDB for $10K and played some craps too. I went home with more than $100K.

After my second $100K royal I went home with the entire $100K in a check because I was up about $11,000 when I hit it. After the royal I also hit quad aces for $10K.

Those wins "financed" a lot of fun weekends in Vegas.

I had several more royals in Vegas since the $100K royal in October of last year but one was on 25-cent VP and one was at $5 VP. I haven't played $25 VP in a long, long time.

*coughs, snickers*

[AxelWolf]

The guy was playing high denomination VP, so It's possible the guy could have got lucky and hit 5 Royals for 100k in one day. AND ACTUALLY WON for that day/year, so he spent it on a house. Winning or losing doesn't make you an AP.

I dont know one AP(even the self-proclaimed loaners) that doesn't network a least a little with at least a few other AP's.

This guy was what I would call a value player. Most likely he had a gambling problem.

I remember someone saying that they hit 5 royals in a 24 hour period, and losing that day, but can't put my finger on it.....

That was my son. Unfortunately each royal was at $1 VP and after each royal he moved up to $5 and $10 VP and lost it. Then he restarted. Yes he lost money over 24 hours but it wasn't much.

I hit a $100k royal twice in two years. Those kept me going a kong, long time at $5 VP.

Probably trying to use Singers system.
I still think you misscounted and it was more like 3. Kinda like 18 yo's in a row was more like 5.

[Alan Mendelson]

Look Jason confirmed it. And if it's really so important to you we could dig up the W2Gs. He hit one at the old Gold Strike on the way up, and four more at Caesars over a 24-hour period that amounted to non-stop play. And it had nothing to do with Singer's system. I posted not only my photos but also photos of the checks.

By the way, Jason also won a poker tournament the night I had my kidney transplant.

I was dealt a royal on a 50-play machine at 5-cent per coin.
I was dealt a $36K royal at Rincon.
I was dealt a $4K royal at Caesars (photo was posted here)
I was dealt a $31K royal at Bellagio (photo was posted here)
My girlfriend was dealt two 25-cent royals at two separate bars in Vegas within 24 hours and she played less than a total of one hour at both bars. And the photos were posted here.

Shit happens. Sometimes it beats the odds. Sometimes it beats the odds by such a big margin people say it's a lie.

But what's really amazing is that you had to post that in this thread. It just goes to show how your worlds are so dependent on order of numbers, and that's sad.

[RS__]

I'll believe the numbers over lies any day of the week.

[Count Room]

The guy was playing high denomination VP, so It's possible the guy could have got lucky and hit 5 Royals for 100k in one day. AND ACTUALLY WON for that day/year, so he spent it on a house. Winning or losing doesn't make you an AP.

I dont know one AP(even the self-proclaimed loaners) that doesn't network a least a little with at least a few other AP's.

This guy was what I would call a value player. Most likely he had a gambling problem.

I knew a guy pretty well who committed suicide by gunshot at Laughlin six years ago. He was definitely an AP (25c FPDW, $1 triple 7's BP promo at Flamingo, etc.). He was retired, late 60's, and also had a fair bit of money he left behind ($500,000 or so) despite his low-stakes play.

He reminds me of the Vegas shooter in so many ways (aside from harming others), which is why this Vegas incident fascinated me. I can believe that Paddock was affluent because of some striking profile similarities to the suicide case I mentioned.

[Alan Mendelson]

Paddock played thru a million dollars a day at video poker. CNN obtains Las Vegas killer's 2013 deposition revealing new details on his gambling habits prior to the shooting.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/10...ay-dnt-lah.cnn

[OneHitWonder]

He reminds me of the Vegas shooter in so many ways (aside from harming others), which is why this Vegas incident fascinated me. I can believe that Paddock was affluent because of some striking profile similarities to the suicide case I mentioned.

I'm sure that every one in Vegas will remind you of the Vegas shooter. People there can't fathom how far they have let themselves slip into a bunch of baloney. I brought it up on the WoV how addicted people are with gambling in all forms, and, in particular, Shackleford's lifelong monkey on his back. Even the people who think they have it under control. I guess that the best indicator is family. Apparently, he no longer likes his wife, to put it mildly, and she has nothing to do with him. It's so obvious what is happening on these message boards, but the "recreational gamblers" are always the last to never see it.

[OneHitWonder]

Probably trying to use Singers system.

That was my first thought about the shooter. But the unwritten part of Singer's system is to not take any of it seriously.

People are so gone in Vegas that they are making lies and excuses for each other, now.