Blackjack visibility

[Alan Mendelson]

Checking out another strip casino for viewing a second table. Notice what happens when players are in seats. And if you happen to be at the crowded table there's only one player at the table next to you. I just can't seem to find a real line of sight here especially with the arrangement of the chairs.

Now, imagine sitting at the table in the foreground (table with one player) in one of the center chairs. Do you have a line of sight on the table to the right? What percentage of cards at the table to the right do you think you'll be able to see?

[mickeycrimm]

Alan, why don't you submit the question of counting two tables to Las Vegas Advisor's question of the day and let them do the research.

[Alan Mendelson]

Why don't you submit it Mickey?

As I go into casinos I will keep on taking pictures. The pictures speak for themselves. I haven't seen a clear line of sight yet.

[jbjb]

Checking out another strip casino for viewing a second table. Notice what happens when players are in seats. And if you happen to be at the crowded table there's only one player at the table next to you. I just can't seem to find a real line of sight here especially with the arrangement of the chairs.

Now, imagine sitting at the table in the foreground (table with one player) in one of the center chairs. Do you have a line of sight on the table to the right? What percentage of cards at the table to the right do you think you'll be able to see?

This doesn't look like a blackjack table. And even if it was, I could easily see the dealt cards. Obviously in this picture though, there are no dealt cards and its blurry as hell.

[Alan Mendelson]

You can see the dealt cards? Really, jbjb? Amazing.

[jbjb]

You can see the dealt cards? Really, jbjb? Amazing.

I don't need to know the exact rank every time. In counting parlance, a 2 is the same as a 6.

[Alan Mendelson]

Perhaps you didn't read my initial post correctly, jbjb. If you are sitting at either of the middle seats at the table in the foreground are you able to see cards in play at the table on your right?

[kewlJ]

This doesn't look like a blackjack table. And even if it was, I could easily see the dealt cards. Obviously in this picture though, there are no dealt cards and its blurry as hell.

The funny thing is that Alan tried to manipulate this picture just as he did his initial pictures, but this picture ends up proving the very thing he is trying to disprove.

See this picture is actually taken from very close to one of the middle seats, probably a foot behind the middle seat. And looking to the table to the right (where the black male dealer is) you have a clear view of the table and felt. And although the seats are empty except one player, you can clearly see that there is only one seat that IF OCCUPIED could possibly obstruct the view and that would be the second to last seat (seat next to third base), which I said from the very beginning. As I said from the very beginning, there is one key seat at each table, second from the last (next to third base) at the table to your right and second seat (next to first base) if you are looking at a table to your left.

And as jbjb observed, anyone with average vision would clearly be able to see the cards on the felt 8-10 feet away. Thanks for proving my point and finally putting this to rest Alan.

[kewlJ]

Alan, in his true dishonest nature is trying to be manipulative. In this case he is trying to use a photo from a cell phone, as comparision to what the human eye can see, when it is not even close. The biggest difference...a cell phone camera has 24-36 pixels....the human eye 130 million. A second more technical difference is the back of the human eye where the image is projected is curved, meaning the edges are the same distance from the "projector part of the eye" sending the image as the center. This provides for a clearer image all-around. A camera by comparison, the image is projected onto a flat silicon sensor, making for a blurrier image except for one very precise focal point, which is very evident in Alan's pictures.

In short, images from a high quality camera, much less a cell phone camera are in NO WAY representative of what the human eye sees. To suggest they are is manipulative and dishonest. I tried to point this out early on, when I suggested that Alan tape a playing card to the wall then step back 10, 15, 20 feet. Anyone with just average vision would be able to clearly identify the card, but a picture from a camera would appear blurry. But Alan ignored this proof, because it did not fit to his pre-determined outcome, so he continues on his way trying to manipulate everything to prove his opinion. In the science world this is called confirmation bias. In my world, it is called dishonest and manipulative.

And again, the funny thing is that today, in trying to confirm his bias, Alan proved the opposite.

[kewlJ]

In fairness to Alan, I will concede that he has proved two things:

1.) that 60-some year old Alan Mendelson probably doesn't have the vision necessary to track a second table. (and I am not sure this isn't more a case of him not wanting to, than not being able to)

2.) than anyone who has had some sort of eye surgery and had their eyeball replaced and has had a cell phone surgically attached to their forehead, will not be able to track a second table.

The rest of us with average eyesight, can if we have a desire to and put even a little effort into it.

[RS__]

Don't argue with Alan Mendelson. He is mentally retarded.

[kewlJ]

Don't argue with Alan Mendelson. He is mentally retarded.

There really is no argument. This exercise, along with his 18 yo's in a row, and his recent statements concerning dice influence, proves to me (and I suspect most members) that Alan is completely detached from reality, living in some sort of fantasy world. I can only hope it is a really pleasant place full of unicorns and rainbows. Oh wait....rainbows are real....I learned that yesterday at Wov.

[quahaug]

My wife takes cell phone pictures all the time and they are clear as heck, incredibly so. I'm amazed at technology these days.

[MisterV]

Depends on the phone.

An i-phone is good; my clunky old flip phone sucks.

[kewlJ]

My wife takes cell phone pictures all the time and they are clear as heck, incredibly so. I'm amazed at technology these days.

Yes, it is possible to take clear pics, but that is not even the point. Look at Alan's picture in this thread. A human being standing where the picture was taken from would not only be ale to see the cards at the next tale but the chip denomination as well. I would be ale to read the name on the dealers name tag. See the television screens in the pit, a human would be able to see them. See the neon signs above the bank of slot/video poker machines in the far back on the right side, a human would be able to clearly see those signs. A picture is just not representative of what a human eye can see. Portraying it as such is just ridiculous.

[Alan Mendelson]

One more time: if you sat at one of the two center seats at the table in the foreground (this is the table with one player with the dealer looking at me taking the photo) and you looked to your right (to the table where there are five seated players plus a woman standing) could you see the cards in play?

[kewlJ]

One more time: if you sat at one of the two center seats at the table in the foreground (this is the table with one player with the dealer looking at me taking the photo) and you looked to your right (to the table where there are five seated players plus a woman standing) could you see the cards in play?

Alan, here you go being manipulative and dishonest as usual. Let's go back in time. I first mentioned that I track a second table when I am able to, back on August 7 at 11pm. The following day, August 8, 2017 when you and other members pressed me about this technique, I posted the post (below), explaining that there was one key seat at each table (right or left) that would make tracking that table unlikely or more difficult. Furthermore at that time you will note where I said "during crowded conditions I can't track multiple tables". I am sure I can find a dozen more quotes where I said tracking a second table is not always possible....that I do it when circumstances present themselves.

So here you are searching and finding the exact crowded condition that I said would prevent me from tracking a second table. Alan what the fuck is the matter with you? Are you mentally retarded as RS_ has decided or are you just a really sleazy, dishonest manipulative person? Repeated manipulative dishonest behavior makes it hard to conclude anything but the later.

But again, in your attempt to be dishonest and manipulative and find the exact circumstance where I said tracking a second table would probably not be available, you actually took the picture from a spot that proves it is. The picture is taken from just behind the middle seat of a table, exactly where I said I like to sit and shows a player sitting there would have a clear view of the next table where there is one players, proving my point! Thank you.

But apparently you are now saying that picture shows a player at that seat would not be able to track a full table TWO TABLES AWAY! You really are freaking retarded, Alan.

The only possible blocking will be by someone at the other table sitting in the 4th seat if you are looking to your right and the second seat if you are looking to your left. First and third base are out of the line of view, middle seat far enough back that it also is out of the line of view. Only one seat at each table can obstruct your view and they actually are not obstructing your view of their cards, but could possible be obstructing your view of other hands. Often just adjusting yourself forward or back a few inches and you can find a clear unobstructed view.

But if not...so be it. There are times during crowded conditions that I can't track multiple tables, either because of obstructed view or because there are no seats available. It isn't something that is available all the time. Sometimes a casino, especially the smaller local casinos doesn't even have two BJ tables open. It's just something I try to do when the opportunity is available.

[Alan Mendelson]

It's not two tables away. If you sit at the table with the single player the table is the one on your right. That's one table away. Five of six seats are filled. Can't track it? Okay thanks for the info.

[kewlJ]

It's not two tables away. If you sit at the table with the single player the table is the one on your right. That's one table away.

But that is NOT where you took the picture from! You took the picture from 2 tables away!

Five of six seats are filled. Can't track it?

Yeah, I said THAT back on August 8, 2017....and probably a dozen times since. If the table is crowded I can't track a second table. I do it when I CAN. I have said that from the beginning. (August 8). What on earth is your problem?

[mickeycrimm]

Why don't you submit it Mickey?.

There are two reasons I won't submit it:

1. I already know what the answer will be.

2. You don't want to know the answer.

You are not just disputing KJ. You are disputing the entire brain net of professional blackjack.