Really Alan, do you really not understand? Bowling is nut purely a game of skill. I never bowl but can still be lucky enough to throw a couple of strikes and spares on a good day....See the point I'm trying to make? We can go on and on and on and on. It feels like you're looking for something you're not going to find. You can ask questions in a 100.000 different ways but that doesn't change a thing about the fact a negative VP game is not going to give you positive results in the long run.