Tracking multiple BJ tables - Richard Munchkin

[MisterV]

I'm not a blackjack player, have read no books on the subject, and what little I've gleaned about the subject has come from these boards.

KJ, I read you explanation as to counting two tables simultaneously, and it is interesting.

But here is my question, applicable to all blackjack play: for counting to work correctly, shouldn't the counting begin and continue without interruption from the time the newly shuffled deck begins to be dealt?

Stated differently, if a counter starts counting mid-shoe, how can he account for the cards previously dealt, unless there is some sort of what I'd call "averaging," for lack of a better word?

[kewlJ]

My posts are primarily questions...are my questions hateful?

You, on the other hand, have written about wishing that you could shoot someone...isn't that hateful?

Hypocrites should be discredited, and so I quote their own words to expose their hypocrisy.

That's not hateful, and it has nothing to do with AP or Rob Singer, or whatever delusions that your psychosis has caused.

You call Alan a liar. I don't think that he is a liar, I don't know him to be a liar.

But I know that you are a liar, because you posted lies about me.

I know that you are a hypocrite based on what you have posted on this forum, and you continue to discredit
yourself with your disgraceful (and hateful) posts.

Apparently BiloxyBill is incorrect that you are halfway through your "transistion". Looks like your transition is complete and you are experiencing your first period.

[kewlJ]

I'm not a blackjack player, have read no books on the subject, and what little I've gleaned about the subject has come from these boards.

KJ, I read you explanation as to counting two tables simultaneously, and it is interesting.

But here is my question, applicable to all blackjack play: for counting to work correctly, shouldn't the counting begin and continue without interruption from the time the newly shuffled deck begins to be dealt?

Stated differently, if a counter starts counting mid-shoe, how can he account for the cards previously dealt, unless there is some sort of what I'd call "averaging," for lack of a better word?

Short answer is no MrV. A player can walk by a table that where 4 of 6 decks have already been played and see a bunch of small cards (2through 6) on the table and would be at an advantage the next round, even not having the slightest clue to what cards were played in those unseen 4 decks. It is not desirable. Desirable is to have as much information as possible. But the fact is it takes relatively little to identify an advantage.

Munchkin alluded to this. Unseen cards just serve the same as more shallow (or shallower?) penetration, which again, is not the most desirable. The math type guys are probably much better at explaining this than I.

[mickeycrimm]

It's odd that for such a supposedly non-anonymous person, Red hasn't used his real name as his username here. It doesn't appear possible to Google him to here, either. Like he wants to reach out from here to some select audience without exposing himself to the world or other analytical scrutiny.

Start posting under your real name, dummfuck.

[Alan Mendelson]

So literally kewlj youre saying you can play with half of a deck? You don't have to see many cards to know the count?

The problem for you is there are people here playing with a full deck.

[mickeycrimm]

Kewlj every time you lie I'm going to call you out on it. The photos were not taken from an end seat. .

I looked very closely at the photo and it's obvious you took the picture from 3rd base and not a middle seat.

[OneHitWonder]

I'm not a blackjack player, have read no books on the subject, and what little I've gleaned about the subject has come from these boards.

KJ, I read you explanation as to counting two tables simultaneously, and it is interesting.

But here is my question, applicable to all blackjack play: for counting to work correctly, shouldn't the counting begin and continue without interruption from the time the newly shuffled deck begins to be dealt?

Stated differently, if a counter starts counting mid-shoe, how can he account for the cards previously dealt, unless there is some sort of what I'd call "averaging," for lack of a better word?

Short answer is no MrV. A player can walk by a table that where 4 of 6 decks have already been played and see a bunch of small cards (2through 6) on the table and would be at an advantage the next round, even not having the slightest clue to what cards were played in those unseen 4 decks. It is not desirable. Desirable is to have as much information as possible. But the fact is it takes relatively little to identify an advantage.

Munchkin alluded to this. Unseen cards just serve the same as more shallow (or shallower?) penetration, which again, is not the most desirable. The math type guys are probably much better at explaining this than I.

That's called "situational betting", and is a load of crap. Post up how a count translates into an advantage.

[mickeycrimm]

I think you'll stick out as a card counter as soon as you start looking at another table and delay your own game.

So blackjack players don't look around when they are sitting at a table? Then why do they crank their necks around to look at me every time I pass a table.

[kewlJ]

So literally kewlj youre saying you can play with half of a deck? You don't have to see many cards to know the count?

The problem for you is there are people here playing with a full deck.

It's not what I am saying Alan, it is what the "proven" mathematics say.

You can make your cute little attacks if it makes you feel better, but to me the guy "not playing with a full deck" is the guy who continues to deny the proven math...or continues to deny proven "anything". How's that flat world working out for you Alan? Oh yeah, I forget who I am dealing with....Mr 18 y.o. in a row. He's really not interested in the math.

[OneHitWonder]

I think you'll stick out as a card counter as soon as you start looking at another table and delay your own game.

It's all automated now. But, the casinos always did go by who wins and loses. How do you hide that?

[OneHitWonder]

So literally kewlj youre saying you can play with half of a deck? You don't have to see many cards to know the count?

The problem for you is there are people here playing with a full deck.

It's not what I am saying Alan, it is what the "proven" mathematics say.

Post it up.

[Alan Mendelson]

Kewlj every time you lie I'm going to call you out on it. The photos were not taken from an end seat. .

I looked very closely at the photo and it's obvious you took the picture from 3rd base and not a middle seat.

Obviously I'm not going to convince you or kewlj that I took the photo from a middle seat as I originally described the photo when I first posted it.

So, why don't you or kewlj or RS or jbjb or any other interested person post your own photo. And while you're at it, while sitting at a table -- even a closed table at 3 in the morning -- look at the nearby tables and report back if you think you will be able to see cards?

Enough discussion about my photo. Go look for yourselves.

[coach belly]

The photos were taken from a middle position.

You are a liar, Alan! This picture is taken from 1st base.

I looked very closely at the photo and it's obvious you took the picture from 3rd base

[mickeycrimm]

And one more thing Mr Kewlj: I have nothing against advantage play or APs.

ROTFLMAO!!!! That's the best joke you've told in years.

[kewlJ]

So blackjack players don't look around when they are sitting at a table? Then why do they crank their necks around to look at me every time I pass a table.

Maybe because you are so damn handsome, Mickey. (where's the winky emoji?)

When I am playing, I am looking at anything but the game I am playing. If there isn't a second table tracking opportunity, I am still looking around, at the sports/game on a TV monitor, keeping an eye on pit folks, watching someone playing a nearby machine, or even still watching play at the next table, even if it's not a tracking opportunity.

As I have said many times, it takes a fraction of a second to pick up the count at my tale, why do I want to sit there staring at every card as it comes out and every player agonize over playing their hand. That is only interesting for the player that plays once a month, not 6 days a week, for many years.

[mickeycrimm]

I looked very closely at the photo and it's obvious you took the picture from 3rd base

Here comes Coach Worm again with a gotcha! yuk! yuk! yuk!

If there is any mistake it was mine, not KJ's. The picture was taken from the end of the table and not the middle where there would have been an angle to the other table, numnuts.

[Alan Mendelson]

And one more thing Mr Kewlj: I have nothing against advantage play or APs.

ROTFLMAO!!!! That's the best joke you've told in years.

Why would I be against advantage play?

I have a website with more than 480 pages and about 20% of it gives advice about casinos and advantages and even advantage play when it presents itself.

But I draw the line at fiction. I actually looked at the set up of casino blackjack tables. I can't see how anyone could claim an ability to count a second table. Sorry there are just too many obstacles to do it.

Now go look for yourselves. I know you disagree with me. But go look. You APs must be in casinos all the time so why hasn't anyone else looked or posted their own photo?

Crickets? Or as we used to say, your silence is deafening.

[Alan Mendelson]

I looked very closely at the photo and it's obvious you took the picture from 3rd base

Even the critics can't get their stories straight. Kewlj said first base.

Take your own photos. Look for yourselves.

[kewlJ]

Here comes Coach Worm again with a gotcha! yuk! yuk! yuk!

If there is any mistake it was mine, not KJ's. The picture was taken from the end of the table and not the middle where there would have been an angle to the other table, numnuts.

No you are correct. The closest seat in the immediate forefront of the picture is third base at the table shown. The picture was taken from behind that seat, which would also be right in front of the first seat (first base) at the next table. It's the same area as those seats are back to back to each other, in most casinos, literally back to back to the point that players in these end seats are "pinched in".

But that what this crowd does. Technicalities and manipulating everything. It's all game playing on this site.

[coach belly]

The picture was taken from the end of the table and not the middle where there would have been an angle to the other table

You can't tell where Alan was standing from that photo.

The camera angle is all that matters, he could be standing at any position.

You and tj are both delusional.