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  1. #221
    Coach , I'm going to run through Post 201 just for you. Actually it's for readers who wonder just how patient I can be.

    Obviously, I owe coach belly no explanations regarding anything. There is no benefit to answering anything, and he'll go after any detail that may look soft. But I'm arrogant enough to answer them anyway, because I tell the truth, and I'm a careful writer.

    1) Regarding "credible people who will verify my claims." I have date and time stamped emails of all plays going back years. Obviously, I would not expose individuals and ask them to go to bat for me in some kind of public venue. Unless, of course, they've retired from positions of authority in large businesses (CFO, VP, etc.) and decided, gee, we want to work with this guy. Then, if they started up their own sites and went to bat for me, I guess I'd have to allow them. So the answer to this will be forthcoming circa the end of July.

    2) Nobody gets opposite plays from "my partners." If I did stuff like this, Bill Walters would never have hired me. He didn't hire mirages. Everybody I work with, with the exception of a handful of people grandfathered in from "the old days," knows each other, in the flesh so to speak. We're all each others "partners."

    3) I have been working on percent of profit for a decade now. That may be changing next year, as the corporate folks want to go more commercial. I won't be the decision maker on that. I'm not comfortable with rampant capitalism, but I will live with it.

    4) "Meaningful sum" is meaning-less. If I head a cartel betting six digits a game, or I'm plodding along at 3K, what difference does it make? Answer: it doesn't. Winning takes care of itself.

    5) Picks in a free contest establish expertise. You don't just sit down against three thousand other people and finish third back to back years without expertise. You seem to think money matters more than expertise. Good luck trying to win that way.

    6) The won/loss records was my point. I could demonstrate six digit wins at a handful of offshores, but you'll never know if there were six digit losses at others. Only the people in my group know. And my group isn't recruiting. Blackhole, take note here. We are not recruiting.

    7) I worked for Billy Walters 17 years ago. Things did not go smoothly from the start. That is a story for another website. But I just want to make clear -- whatever gripes I have with Billy Walters from the perspective of how he treats certain people, I have the utmost respect and borderline awe for what he was able to do and who he is. He's a tough individual, a little too piranha for my tastes, but now that I'm older, I understand his perspective much better than 17 years ago. Sometimes you have to be a piranha when you swim with sharks.


    I think that wraps up any explanations to which coach belly, whoever the hell he is, is entitled.

    When the forthcoming sites are up and running, I will let vegascasinotalk know.

  2. #222
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Actually I've lost most of my money at craps. It's hard to be a loser at VP after hitting three $100k royals. (Yes, it's now three.)
    Not at all and shows you don’t understand the game. If a .25 player hits 3 $1000 Royals, he will still lose over time playing a negative game. The same with a $1 player hitting 3 $4k Royals. Why are you any different playing $25 VP? Unless of course you just got lucky on the few times you played the volume. After all anything can have happen, like 19 Yo’s in a row?

    And like the jackass loser friend of yours never can, if you should quit after you “win”, when do you go back?

    What a crock of shit you spew, at least the guys on your show know they are full of it.

  3. #223
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Actually I've lost most of my money at craps. It's hard to be a loser at VP after hitting three $100k royals. (Yes, it's now three.)
    Not at all and shows you don’t understand the game. If a .25 player hits 3 $1000 Royals, he will still lose over time playing a negative game. The same with a $1 player hitting 3 $4k Royals. Why are you any different playing $25 VP? Unless of course you just got lucky on the few times you played the volume. After all anything can have happen, like 19 Yo’s in a row?

    And like the jackass loser friend of yours never can, if you should quit after you “win”, when do you go back?

    What a crock of shit you spew, at least the guys on your show know they are full of it.
    Yes, I got lucky the few times I played $25 video poker. I hope you can deal with that.

    Most recently I'm only a 25-cent player and that's because I found a casino with 8/5 Bonus at 25-cents.

  4. #224
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Coach , I'm going to run through Post 201 just for you.
    Thanks, I've condensed your answers so that they are more direct and easier to understand.

    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Have any of these credible people stepped forward to verify your claims?
    No they have not.

    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    What if another group got the other side of the plays from one of your partners?
    This does not apply

    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    If your fee is commissioned-based, do you refund previous fees received for subsequent losing plays?
    It's unclear when your fee is paid. But you did not address how the fee is settled should there be a loss.

    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    How do picks in a free contest establish that you've bet any meaningful sum on those games?
    It does not establish that you bet any sum on those games.

    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    It sounds like these summaries are similar to Win/Loss statements from casinos. They don't establish that you've won overall, just that you've won with certain books. You admit that you could cherry pick the results to make you look like a winner
    You agree that the online summaries cannot establish that you won overall.

    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    You can tell any number of stories, but how can it been established that Billy Walters ever hired you?
    It has not been established that Walters ever hired you, and you do not intend to establish the veracity of your claim.

    Let me know if I misinterpreted any of them, otherwise we both stipulate that my abridged versions of your answers are accurate and equivalent.

    Agreed?

  5. #225
    LOL here we go.

    Coach, if you provide me with your actual name, on Monday I will PM you the phone number of a just-retired CFO of a pharmaceutical firm and the address of a retired VP of Boeing. Now I am going to be majorly disappointed if you don't get in touch with them post haste. I cannot in good faith expose them to some anonymous potential psycho, but if you provide your actual name and address, I'll provide you with theirs. Then you can talk to the "credible people."

    I'm not sure you grasp what "percent of profit" means. I really can't help you with your English beyond saying I have worked on an annual percent of profit. I'm pretty sure 99% of people reading this know what that entails. I'm sorry if you do not.

    No amounts I wager would be meaningful to the Sheik. I admit that. One contest I referenced was Northbet's Pick the Pros. That means it was NFL games. My specialty is college football. Maybe 10% (tops) of my wagering is NFL. So no, I didn't bet very many of these games. It was not a spread contest. It was Pick the Pros. You would know the rules if you had read the link provided. As to the Wise Guys, meaningful amounts were wagered. And other people wagered very meaningful amounts.

    I'm sure an anonymous poster has any number of reasons to think I should verify things for him. Not sure what they might be. Not my job to verify that I worked for Billy Walters. Now you could call Marc Lawrence, I suppose, and ask him directly if Bob Dietz ever worked for Billy Walters. But you'd probably have to give your name. Bummer. I suggest that other readers, at least those with real names, do the same.

  6. #226
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Now I am going to be majorly disappointed if you don't get in touch with them post haste.
    No I'm not doing any legwork to help with your daddy issues.

    Spin us another yarn if it makes you feel better about yourself.

  7. #227
    Isn't Billy Walters in prison?

  8. #228
    Sounds very much like Argentino.

    What are you afraid of, coach? I'll give you until Sunday night to provide a verifiable name and number for you to contact the "credible people." They're real people with real names. I'm a real person with a real name. If you want to discuss real people with real people, sounds like you could put on your big boy pants and just join the party.

  9. #229
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Isn't Billy Walters in prison?
    Correct. Insider trading.

  10. #230
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Isn't Billy Walters in prison?
    Correct. Insider trading.
    What's that?

  11. #231
    the illegal practice of trading on the stock exchange to one's own advantage through having access to confidential information.

  12. #232
    Originally Posted by dannyj View Post
    the illegal practice of trading on the stock exchange to one's own advantage through having access to confidential information.
    ty

  13. #233
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by dannyj View Post
    the illegal practice of trading on the stock exchange to one's own advantage through having access to confidential information.
    ty
    That`s good...the less words, the better for you, lol

  14. #234
    OMG now redietz wants coach to talk to credible people. How about your physician, pharmacist, neighbor, dry cleaner? I'm sure they're credible too.

    Coach: stop talking with redietz you'll get nowhere.

    Redietz: you win. You're the master troll.

  15. #235
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    OMG now redietz wants coach to talk to credible people. How about your physician, pharmacist, neighbor, dry cleaner? I'm sure they're credible too.

    Coach: stop talking with redietz you'll get nowhere.

    Redietz: you win. You're the master troll.
    I didn't suggest it. Coach did. He wanted to know if any credible people would step forward and vouch for me. I certainly didn't suggest it first.

    I think a CFO and VP of major corporations would be credible. Mr. Mendelson, you don't? I guess not.

  16. #236
    I'm sure they're credible redietz. I'm sure your physician, dry cleaner, pharmacist and others you do business with are also credible.

    Coach is seeking those who will support your sports betting accomplishments but you're not giving them and that's fine with me. No one should expect you to reveal your customers.

    Why don't you send Coach your package? I'm sure he'll rush to read it.

    Coach: just drop it.

  17. #237
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    OMG now redietz wants coach to talk to credible people. How about your physician, pharmacist, neighbor, dry cleaner? I'm sure they're credible too.

    Coach: stop talking with redietz you'll get nowhere.

    Redietz: you win. You're the master troll.
    I didn't suggest it. Coach did. He wanted to know if any credible people would step forward and vouch for me. I certainly didn't suggest it first.

    I think a CFO and VP of major corporations would be credible. Mr. Mendelson, you don't? I guess not.
    I didn't ask if they would vouch for you, I asked if they had vouched for you.

    Have they vouched for you?

  18. #238
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Coach is seeking those who will support your sports betting accomplishments
    I'd like him to post anything that supports his sports betting claims.

    He hasn't done that...he expects me to search for the info.

    That's too much work, I'm not investigating him, it would be quicker and easier if he just posted the stuff here.

    But he won't. So how is this different than Singer refusing to send his info?

    How are the ditz's CFO & VP different than Singer's mathematicians?

  19. #239
    Redietz … please stop! No one gives a fuck about you and your stupid sports picks. Reading this endless nonsense you print is like the same shit Kewlj put everyone through with meatball mike.

    Just except the fact that no one really cares.

    I do have one question about off shore betting. How easy is it to get paid from them, and what is the max per week you could cash out?

  20. #240
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    OMG now redietz wants coach to talk to credible people. How about your physician, pharmacist, neighbor, dry cleaner? I'm sure they're credible too.

    Coach: stop talking with redietz you'll get nowhere.

    Redietz: you win. You're the master troll.
    I didn't suggest it. Coach did. He wanted to know if any credible people would step forward and vouch for me. I certainly didn't suggest it first.

    I think a CFO and VP of major corporations would be credible. Mr. Mendelson, you don't? I guess not.
    I didn't ask if they would vouch for you, I asked if they had vouched for you.

    Have they vouched for you?
    Coach stop. Obviously these are two close friends of redietz. One of them lives in Socal and redietz stays at his house. Drop it. Drop it. Drop it.

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