The WoV Thread

[mickeycrimm]

We've got a lot of people around here that just can't get what "accumulated" means. "Accumulated" is the past tense of "accumulate." So if you have "accumulated EV" it is all in the past. It has no bearing on the future. None. Zilch. Nada. Fanita Lama Sica. You compare your "accumulated" EV to the results you had running it.

So knock off the bullshit of trying to represent it as AP's saying "since I lost while having positive EV that means I will run above expectation in the future." That's bullshit invented by ignorant and stupid trolls on this site.

Alan, I'm going to try one more approach. Every round I play has an expected value amount (EV). At the end of the year, I have a total EV amount for all hands plays (cumulative EV). And by the end of the year, which represents "the long run" or long term, my actual results will be pretty close to accumulated EV. I have had one outlier year significantly below EV and one outlier year significantly above, but generally actual results are pretty close to accumulated EV.

So the goal is to play as many rounds as possible, accumulating as much EV as possible. Now in the process, actual results will go up and down like the stock market, but the overall trend (longterm) is upward. So quitting when having a "bad day", all that does is stifle the overall total EV. In other words....quitting early based on some artificial goal or target, cost me money.

It really boils down to long-term vs short-term thinking. YOU are thinking about short-term results. AP's are looking at long-term results. Quitting to preserve some sort of artificial short time goal, would be like a baseball team with a goal of being ahead after the second inning. That is NOT what matters. What matters is the score after 9 innings.

It's an easy guess as to why Alan came out from under his rock. He put these two statements up because he thinks he's got a "gotcha" moment. That's pretty stupid of him because the two statements go hand in hand. KJ collects two stats, his EV and his results, then compares them. You can't record future EV and results. Everything he is comparing is in the past. Get it, Alan, dumass.

BTW, where's your buddy, Welfare Rob?

[tableplay]

Don't take our word for it (Terry Tao is a world class mathematician and considered one of the greatest mathematicians of all time):

But does his mother drive him around all day at "work"? And does he suck others into his number fantasies?

Yes One Hit Wonder, little elves built the internet for you so that you could post here - no science or mathematical algorithms required. Same with the logistics for the food supply chain which gets you your food each day.

[mickeycrimm]

deleted. double post.

[Bill Yung]

Yes One Hit Wonder, little elves built the internet for you so that you could post here - no science or mathematical algorithms required. Same with the logistics for the food supply chain which gets you your food each day.

You're starting to sound like LarryS.

[redietz]

As stated previously, most of this is an attempted deflection from the previously dropped bomb. The bomb deserves its own thread. The bottom line is that the two most prolific posters on this site tried to fool everybody. Since math wasn't going to work, they attempted to construct a false biography to impress the readers of this site. Now whether Mr. Mendelson was fully informed while aiding and abetting is really irrelevant. He facilitated and indeed was absolutely necessary to it.

And let's be clear about this. This was Argentino claiming to be comfortably situated in life due to his strategies. This was Mr. Mendelson never doing the legwork (a couple of phone calls) to confirm or disconfirm the gist of Argentino's claims. Argentino was still recruiting "students." This was an ongoing scam.

I wouldn't even have any problems with Argentino getting food assistance if he (1) hadn't been caught doing fraudulent things and (2) hadn't berated others by claiming they were getting assistance. His song-and-dance wasn't about math, so he made it about lifestyle. Bizarre. What's even more bizarre is Mr. Mendelson committing to him.

[RSC]

Where is that dumb piece of shit Singer?

[Keystone]

One only needs to watch that video for 2 minutes to see this is 2 con men at work

[kewlJ]

We've got a lot of people around here that just can't get what "accumulated" means. "Accumulated" is the past tense of "accumulate." So if you have "accumulated EV" it is all in the past. It has no bearing on the future. None. Zilch. Nada. Fanita Lama Sica. You compare your "accumulated" EV to the results you had running it.

So knock off the bullshit of trying to represent it as AP's saying "since I lost while having positive EV that means I will run above expectation in the future." That's bullshit invented by ignorant and stupid trolls on this site.

Alan, I'm going to try one more approach. Every round I play has an expected value amount (EV). At the end of the year, I have a total EV amount for all hands plays (cumulative EV). And by the end of the year, which represents "the long run" or long term, my actual results will be pretty close to accumulated EV. I have had one outlier year significantly below EV and one outlier year significantly above, but generally actual results are pretty close to accumulated EV.

So the goal is to play as many rounds as possible, accumulating as much EV as possible. Now in the process, actual results will go up and down like the stock market, but the overall trend (longterm) is upward. So quitting when having a "bad day", all that does is stifle the overall total EV. In other words....quitting early based on some artificial goal or target, cost me money.

It really boils down to long-term vs short-term thinking. YOU are thinking about short-term results. AP's are looking at long-term results. Quitting to preserve some sort of artificial short time goal, would be like a baseball team with a goal of being ahead after the second inning. That is NOT what matters. What matters is the score after 9 innings.

Thanks for reposting Al. Saves me the trouble.

Mendelberg posting this thinking it proves HIS point is like Trevor Berbick posting this video of how well he can take a punch.



I am going to have to find a new hobby to fill my time if Mendelstein is going to make my points for me.

[MisterV]

"Mendelberg?"

"Mendelstein?"

[kewlJ]

But does his mother drive him around all day at "work"?

Mom is doing great....thanks for asking. She doesn't have it down to a science yet like my last partner/driver did but I have confidence she will get there. She is even doing some of our machine play through to keep the +EV offer rolling in.

[mickeycrimm]

"Mendelberg?"

"Mendelstein?"

Menstualson

[jbjb]

If you guys don't quit picking on Alan, he's going to jew, err, I mean, chew you out!

[regnis]

We've got a lot of people around here that just can't get what "accumulated" means. "Accumulated" is the past tense of "accumulate." So if you have "accumulated EV" it is all in the past. It has no bearing on the future. None. Zilch. Nada. Fanita Lama Sica. You compare your "accumulated" EV to the results you had running it.

So knock off the bullshit of trying to represent it as AP's saying "since I lost while having positive EV that means I will run above expectation in the future." That's bullshit invented by ignorant and stupid trolls on this site.

Mick—then why is losing $8000 but getting a lot of EV a great day? That is the question in a nutshell.

[Bill Yung]

If you guys don't quit picking on Alan, he's going to jew, err, I mean, chew you out!

Kj, you need to get over the fact that that site is an AP site. Its nothing close to one.

Munchkin has the same info on IMDB and wiki. Its all there for ANYONE to see. Hell, even this sites favorite punching bag, Bob Dancers' info is there. I've even found his house. If these AP's were so worried about this info getting posted, REMOVE IT!!

Or you can DELETE it !!(remove all posts)

Okay, Mr. Jubinstein.

[Alan Mendelson]

We've got a lot of people around here that just can't get what "accumulated" means. "Accumulated" is the past tense of "accumulate." So if you have "accumulated EV" it is all in the past. It has no bearing on the future. None. Zilch. Nada. Fanita Lama Sica. You compare your "accumulated" EV to the results you had running it.

So knock off the bullshit of trying to represent it as AP's saying "since I lost while having positive EV that means I will run above expectation in the future." That's bullshit invented by ignorant and stupid trolls on this site.

Mick—then why is losing $8000 but getting a lot of EV a great day? That is the question in a nutshell.

Regnis they will not respond to you.

[LarryS]

We've got a lot of people around here that just can't get what "accumulated" means. "Accumulated" is the past tense of "accumulate." So if you have "accumulated EV" it is all in the past. It has no bearing on the future. None. Zilch. Nada. Fanita Lama Sica. You compare your "accumulated" EV to the results you had running it.

So knock off the bullshit of trying to represent it as AP's saying "since I lost while having positive EV that means I will run above expectation in the future." That's bullshit invented by ignorant and stupid trolls on this site.

so I accumulated 50 dolars in discover reward dollars.....and in the future I can cash itout for a Lowes giftcard. Even though I accumulated in the past, I can enrich myself in the future.

In fact I was told by my financial professional that I can use my accumulated EV as collateral for a loan. My accountant reports it on my tax returns yearly.
For folks on food stamps, like singer.....walmart accepts accumulated EV along with EBT cards.

[LarryS]

So the goal is to play as many rounds as possible, accumulating as much EV as possible..... KJ

What I like to collect as much as possible is....fairy dust. When I get enough of it , I can fly. And that saves me 30 dollars in gas each way to and from reno.

anyone else collecting fairy dust?........anyone? KJ??????

[Bill Yung]

We've got a lot of people around here that just can't get what "accumulated" means. "Accumulated" is the past tense of "accumulate." So if you have "accumulated EV" it is all in the past. It has no bearing on the future. None. Zilch. Nada. Fanita Lama Sica. You compare your "accumulated" EV to the results you had running it.

So knock off the bullshit of trying to represent it as AP's saying "since I lost while having positive EV that means I will run above expectation in the future." That's bullshit invented by ignorant and stupid trolls on this site.

Mick—then why is losing $8000 but getting a lot of EV a great day? That is the question in a nutshell.

Regnis they will not respond to you.

It's just the inviolate belief that forms the psyche of the "AP". The more their lives spiral out of control through simplistically mathematical micromanagement, the more they want to retreat deeper into that burning barn of EV. The "fire" of their losses is good. Buy or paste up another gambling "book". It's that you think you can bullshit that you have a good bet. Money won is twice as good as money earned.

[pepe]

If you guys don't quit picking on Alan, he's going to jew, err, I mean, chew you out!

lol I feel like I just stumbled into a /pol/ thread

[mickeycrimm]

We've got a lot of people around here that just can't get what "accumulated" means. "Accumulated" is the past tense of "accumulate." So if you have "accumulated EV" it is all in the past. It has no bearing on the future. None. Zilch. Nada. Fanita Lama Sica. You compare your "accumulated" EV to the results you had running it.

So knock off the bullshit of trying to represent it as AP's saying "since I lost while having positive EV that means I will run above expectation in the future." That's bullshit invented by ignorant and stupid trolls on this site.

Mick—then why is losing $8000 but getting a lot of EV a great day? That is the question in a nutshell.

He had a great day for accumulated EV but a bad day with the results. Casinos experience the same phenomenon.