Rob Singer's claims revisited

[redietz]

Dear kewlj chicken: the reason I need your demonstration is that I am yet to find a casino where the tables are close enough or angled properly so you can get any kind of view of cards on the neighboring table unless you're about eight feet tall or have xray vision. I asked other forum members to go to a casino and sit in the MIDDLE seat as you told me to do and try this for themselves. No one has reported that they did it. Redietz said he stood behind two tables to see the cards but standing between and behind tables doesn't let you play.

I tried to illustrate the problem by taking photos at one of the casinos you told me to check out but all you could say was that my photos were blurry. So I invite anyone else to show their photos.

I do not know of a casino where I could sit in a middle seat and would give me the proper angle to look to my right or to my left to see other cards in play.

Not only that there are other problems including the timing of when cards are dealt, when it's your turn to act, whether there are other players blocking your view.

What Redietz did, standing, is not what a player could do.

So I'm still open to the idea. Meet me at the blackjack pit of your choice kewlj and when in the middle seat OF AN EMPTY TABLE tell me the cards in play at the next table. There will be no casino personnel to question what you're doing. It would be just two guys sitting at a table.

Now for those who haven't followed this discussion, after your initial claim you backed off a bit to say you might miss some cards. Then you said you didn't have to see the missing cards to have a workable count.

I'd like to see just how many cards you do see or miss.

I wish people would get things right so I would not have to post here, but here we go.

I did not stand upright at the tables. I bent my knees so as to be at sitting level in the middle seats of the tables, presumably where I would be attempting to get a view. I was exactly at the level and position a player would be. I did not get in the various seats because I thought the casinos might get perturbed, since I wasn't playing. Nobody was playing at the tables. I tried to do it quickly so nobody would throw me out.

In addition, which you fail to mention (big surprise), I took out my tape measure and measured the distances from center table to center table. I then understood at which distances I had visual acuity enough to actually identify cards. For some tables, I could not identify specific cards at the furthest seat distance, but I could still tell "pips from paint," not that I ever used that phrase prior to this. For most tables, I could identify the specific cards.

Now actual counting would have been dependent on angles and views with people in the seats, and I fully acknowledged that, but I was testing the visual acuity portion of this, all of which you got wrong. Angles and sight blockages aside, it is visually possible at the majority of tables. That's what I established.

My eyes are bad, and if I could do it, presumably most people can do it.

There's no trick to this. I suggest anyone doubting kewlJ simply go to a casino with a deck of cards and a tape measure. Go to empty blackjack tables, put a card down on one table, and walk over to the other one at the middle range of seats. Bend your knees, glance over and try to identify the card. Then whip out the tape measure and get an approximate distance. If you do it quickly and in the dead of night, nobody should bother you.

No need for kewlJ to risk outing who he is. Just anybody who doubts it go test it themselves. It's not exactly a complicated endeavor.

Don't take my word for it. Go do it. I did learn one thing from this topic that should have been obvious to me, but I don't play blackjack (or at least haven't in 25 years), so forgive me. All counts are partial counts. That is so obvious, and goes without saying really, but it's an important thing to "get."