Hatred on this Forum

[Moses]

1. Is Rob Singer correct when he says you consider yourself "due" to win after accumulating EV from losing sessions?

Two thoughts I push out my head. 1,) I'm due or the cards are about to change. 2.) Man, this game is easy.

[MaxPen]

The only thing Rob Singer's methods can "accumulate" is despair. Playing a negative expectation game without some added value to make it positive will never result in a win over any significant amount of time. Rob Singer hisself stated that Good Luck is needed to win at VP. He knows the truth and just enjoys being a troll. It is all he has left after going broke from his delusions. It took utter defeat for it to sink in and he now considers himself unlucky. There is no magical hocus pocus bet fluctuations that can defeat the fundamental math behind the game. Rob Singer is a charlatan.

[Alan Mendelson]

The only thing Rob Singer's methods can "accumulate" is despair. Playing a negative expectation game without some added value to make it positive will never result in a win over any significant amount of time. Rob Singer hisself stated that Good Luck is needed to win at VP. He knows the truth and just enjoys being a troll. It is all he has left after going broke from his delusions. It took utter defeat for it to sink in and he now considers himself unlucky. There is no magical hocus pocus bet fluctuations that can defeat the fundamental math behind the game. Rob Singer is a charlatan.

MaxPen why are you writing this about Rob when the question is specifically about kewlj's system?

Please, for once, step aside and allow a sincere discussion without an attack.

And Rob I will ask you to do the same.

Kewlj was nice enough to post an explanation (unfortunately with his own personal attacks towards me) but I would like to continue the discussion as adults.

[MaxPen]

Alan you are incapable of an adult discussion. You have demonstrated your inability to grasp the most basic of concepts even when they are discussed adnauseum. Past results are sometimes indicative of future results. You will forever be plagued by your past reputation.

[kewlJ]

You know what Alan, I take back the "degenerate gambler" comment. It seems like from everything you have said, everything you believe, as per your stated views, along with members of your own family coming to this site to state that you gamble rather than pay debt obligation, that you are a textbook example of degenerate gambler.

But you are correct, I don't know you, nor is it my place to judge you, so I take back the "degenerate gambler", and replace it with "losing gambler". There is no doubt in my mind based on everything you say and believe that you are a losing gambler. You HAVE to be as your entire thought process goes against the mathematics of advantage and profitable gambling.

So Alan, you just keep doing what your doing and I will keep doing what I am doing because it is serving me very well.

But stop trying to call me out on subjects related to advantage play and card counting, that you are completely clueless about, because things I say may not 'sound' right to you. I am not going to play your freaking retarded trolling games anymore.

[mickeycrimm]

Kewl-here is what I don't understand. Keeping track of EV does what for you? Do you alter your play in some way based upon changes in your EV? Do you alter your play in some way based upon your actual results? Or do you just know that you have whatever "edge" and keep playing? How does the accumulated EV effect what you do?

Tracking the EV let's you know the overall edge you are playing at.

[Alan Mendelson]

You know what Alan, I take back the "degenerate gambler" comment. It seems like from everything you have said, everything you believe, as per your stated views, along with members of your own family coming to this site to state that you gamble rather than pay debt obligation, that you are a textbook example of degenerate gambler.

But you are correct, I don't know you, nor is it my place to judge you, so I take back the "degenerate gambler", and replace it with "losing gambler". There is no doubt in my mind based on everything you say and believe that you are a losing gambler. You HAVE to be as your entire thought process goes against the mathematics of advantage and profitable gambling.

So Alan, you just keep doing what your doing and I will keep doing what I am doing because it is serving me very well.

But stop trying to call me out on subjects related to advantage play and card counting, that you are completely clueless about, because things I say may not 'sound' right to you. I am not going to play your freaking retarded trolling games anymore.

Well, you don't know if I win or lose either but there's no need to discuss.

Will you respond to Rob's question about being "due" and will you respond to my question about paying team members with EV?

[BadBeet]

And this is EXACTLY what casinos do every time they lure in as many ap's as possible all over town with their lucrative-sounding promotions, when they know most of that promo's cash will come directly from those people.

And casinos seem to easily be doing fine.

This is why these ap's around here cannot post any other way but as anonymous cowards. It's their mentality that keep them from being winning gamblers.

If AP's were losing there would be no reason to hide their identities from the casinos you fucking moron.

Anyone winning cannot hide from the casinos. Casinos do not pay an ID, they pay a person.

AP's (specially black jack and other table games) don't exactly go to the cage and cash out tons of chips at once... They pocket their chips (leave with winnings) and cash out some as needed. Cashing out smaller denominations and amounts at the cage allow for you to fly under the radar.

AP's that play slot machines... Well, there aren't many +EV games to play... The ones that there are the big hands don't require W2G's. AP's aren't usually playing $5 VP or more unless they are really rolled for it but they make most of their money from the smaller wins rather than the bigger ones anyway... IE Bonus Poker all the money is in the Two Pair payouts...

[Alan Mendelson]

If AP's were losing there would be no reason to hide their identities from the casinos you fucking moron.

Anyone winning cannot hide from the casinos. Casinos do not pay an ID, they pay a person.

AP's (specially black jack and other table games) don't exactly go to the cage and cash out tons of chips at once... They pocket their chips (leave with winnings) and cash out some as needed. Cashing out smaller denominations and amounts at the cage allow for you to fly under the radar.

AP's that play slot machines... Well, there aren't many +EV games to play... The ones that there are the big hands don't require W2G's. AP's aren't usually playing $5 VP or more unless they are really rolled for it but they make most of their money from the smaller wins rather than the bigger ones anyway... IE Bonus Poker all the money is in the Two Pair payouts...

Do you really think the casino only identifies blackjack winners at the cage? Don't you think they watch what happens at the tables?

LOL

[BadBeet]

Anyone winning cannot hide from the casinos. Casinos do not pay an ID, they pay a person.

AP's (specially black jack and other table games) don't exactly go to the cage and cash out tons of chips at once... They pocket their chips (leave with winnings) and cash out some as needed. Cashing out smaller denominations and amounts at the cage allow for you to fly under the radar.

AP's that play slot machines... Well, there aren't many +EV games to play... The ones that there are the big hands don't require W2G's. AP's aren't usually playing $5 VP or more unless they are really rolled for it but they make most of their money from the smaller wins rather than the bigger ones anyway... IE Bonus Poker all the money is in the Two Pair payouts...

Do you really think the casino only identifies blackjack winners at the cage? Don't you think they watch what happens at the tables?

LOL

You're correct, but they are usually in and out before they are really found. They don't exactly throw out their Presidents card or 7 Stars card, or wait to color up... They just bounce.

[Alan Mendelson]

AP's (specially black jack and other table games) don't exactly go to the cage and cash out tons of chips at once... They pocket their chips (leave with winnings) and cash out some as needed. Cashing out smaller denominations and amounts at the cage allow for you to fly under the radar.

AP's that play slot machines... Well, there aren't many +EV games to play... The ones that there are the big hands don't require W2G's. AP's aren't usually playing $5 VP or more unless they are really rolled for it but they make most of their money from the smaller wins rather than the bigger ones anyway... IE Bonus Poker all the money is in the Two Pair payouts...

Do you really think the casino only identifies blackjack winners at the cage? Don't you think they watch what happens at the tables?

LOL

You're correct, but they are usually in and out before they are really found. They don't exactly throw out their Presidents card or 7 Stars card, or wait to color up... They just bounce.

Well if that's the case they aren't doing much damage to the casino, are they? If you hit a casino for a few hundred a day no one will care. It's only when you win a thousand or more that eyes open.

Except at Suncoast. LOL At the cage if you show up with $500 or more in chips they'll call the pit where you've been playing. PITA is right.

[BadBeet]

Do you really think the casino only identifies blackjack winners at the cage? Don't you think they watch what happens at the tables?

LOL

You're correct, but they are usually in and out before they are really found. They don't exactly throw out their Presidents card or 7 Stars card, or wait to color up... They just bounce.

Well if that's the case they aren't doing much damage to the casino, are they? If you hit a casino for a few hundred a day no one will care. It's only when you win a thousand or more that eyes open.

Except at Suncoast. LOL At the cage if you show up with $500 or more in chips they'll call the pit where you've been playing. PITA is right.

There are multiple casinos in Las Vegas last I checked...

[BadBeet]

Go from casino to casino, looking for the optimal time to play, play, get out when you feel uncomfortable, go to next room, repeat...

[monet]

This guy wants to tell me we are living in a community?
Don't make me laugh!
I'm living in America.
In America you're on your own.
America is not a country.
It's just a business.
Now Fucking Pay Me!

[blackhole]

Their were graphs with this information. Not sure why it didn't paste??

Looks like a terrible investment for 2.3 million. Talk about -EV

How long before they break even at 6K per month? They must have really gambled on the degenerate gambler pulling through for them.


How much is wizardofodds.com worth?
Estimated Website Value:
$87k

How much can this website make?
Estimated Revenue Per Month:
$6k
65,537
wizardofodds.com Alexa Daily Traffic Rank Trend Graph (3 Months)


wizardofodds.com Alexa Search Visits Percent Graph (3 Months)

The graph said Daily Traffic started at 69K Jan. 2018 and in July 2018 down to 65K
The other graph said Search Visits started at 40K Jan. 2018 and in July 2018 down to 30K

[Alan Mendelson]

The value of WOO is in the endorsement and advertising of the gaming sites.

[blackhole]

The value of WOO is in the endorsement and advertising of the gaming sites.

Like I said, their banking on their commission from the degenerate gambler losses.

What's real entertaining is how these gaming sites and forums are always teaching everyone how to beat these places out of their money. Amazing how so many offshore gaming sites still exist with all this AP information floating around.

[Alan Mendelson]

My favorite line, heard at the Cromwell, "we have 100X odds (at craps) how do we stay in business?"

[Bill Yung]

Sorry Bill but when I have a private phone conversation I keep it private.

Anyone can look on the Internet to find the traffic and value of any website. WOO has the traffic and value and there's no secret there.

MrV won't see, you won't talk, and the Wizard won't hear. Is there a better reason for how we got to where we are?

To be perfectly honest, what business is it of yours what he sold his company for and what he got paid?

All this time, you thought were conversing with a math guy, but he was really only another ding-a-ling. Strange bedfellows.

[regnis]

Kewl-here is what I don't understand. Keeping track of EV does what for you? Do you alter your play in some way based upon changes in your EV? Do you alter your play in some way based upon your actual results? Or do you just know that you have whatever "edge" and keep playing? How does the accumulated EV effect what you do?

Tracking the EV let's you know the overall edge you are playing at.

Mickey--Kewl has been playing BJ for years now. Doesn't he know the edge at every table at every casino? Does it change? And again, what does he then change based upon this theoretical (or even real) EV? I am not questioning the existence of this accumulated EV (at least for the purpose of this discussion). Rather, how does it effect his game. Does he change anything based upon the EV being higher, lower, etc. From day to day, does his approach change in any way based upon the calculation of EV?

Let me give you an example. I suck at cheap maiden claiming races on dirt. I excel at maiden turf races. I know that. I am sure I have a positive EV betting maiden turf races. So I primarily bet those races. Nothing changes day to day. I bet most of the maiden turf races and I don't bet the maiden claimers on dirt. So what does Kewl do based upon this EV? How does it effect his day to day strategy?