1. You have to develop your own way to get players cards.
Most people start with family.
They may branch out into some friends that don't gamble.
It is just like anything else. Everyone has a different method.
You only need one family member or friend or two.
You ask them if they know anyone who doesn't gamble who would be interested in free money, comps, gifts etc. etc.
Some of these guys use these forums and backdoor pms to gain access to players cards.
I haven't gone with that method.
It doesn't take long once you start showing one person they can get a few hundred a month plus free food and gifts.
All of a sudden they know someone who is interested as well. It can snowball from just one family member or friend.
You may have a couple of cards with the same address but it is always better using multiple addresses.
They pass you the mail or mailer information as it comes in.
This isn't that difficult. However it can snowball out of control on you.
2. I am not talking 10 cards or 100k coin in.
I am giving an example that you should be able to use as a model from that point.
If you want to use 10 cards and generate 100k that will work but I would much rather randomize the numbers.
You don't want it too look so perfect these days.
This all depends on how hard you want to push it.
Some players are going to be just fine with one or two cards.
Others like myself do better with many more depending on what is going on.
The landscape is always changing. Just because I post up some information this month about a certain play does not mean it will last forever.
It will not ever stay the same. You can always count on it to be evolving around you. Some places are more like clockwork but even they go through changes.
Promotions change things all the time and they still do pop up.
Bankroll requirements depend on what you are trying to accomplish.
You should know what game you are going to play and what the earn rate is before attempting.
You should also already have your hourly broken down per play.
It isn't that difficult. If you are at a 1% winner and you are putting in $1000 dollars per hour you know you are going to make 10 dollars per hour.
You should know your variance before going in as well.
Some players are more comfortable with low risk so their Bankroll does not move around.
Other players have no problem playing higher variant games that will move that Bankroll all over the place.
This is for the individual to decide.
The information I have posted is a general base to get anyone started. It is not set in stone.
3. Losing a bundle is different for every individual.
For some $500 could be a bundle.
For others 50k could be a bundle.
I suppose 5% of your bankroll would be a common ground to start.
Most professionals will admit that a 3% Loss or Win on a Bankroll is kinda big for a session.
As I have stated many times the most average hourly for grinding is 20 dollars per hour.
4. Ripping Off the Free Play is just common terminology.
Perhaps Poor Terminology like saying I flopped quads instead of saying I was dealt quads.
I suppose you could relate it to Ripping a CD even though you are not stealing.
Although some do consider file sharing and ripping files to be stealing.
Anyways the point is Ripping just means downloading.
Usually when you hear this it means they ripped the card out so fast the computer didn't catch it but the Free Play has been downloaded to your machine.
Sort of a thing of the past since the Casino knows about this and has put in new systems that will catch.
You can still do this in some Casinos in Vegas though but be careful because some systems go dark and have you locked in even though it resets.
Years ago when the Riviera was giving the Loss Rebates and Good Mailers away they had this type of system.
I thought I was tricking the system with one card because you could wait for a minute and the reader would reset.
Lo and Behold a month or two later I found out that wasn't the case and that card had been banned and no mailed.
It did take awhile for them to catch it though after the Rebate and 6 weeks of Mailers which were pretty darn good.
I had other cards anyways and so did the rest of all the APs who were over there stealing every day.
5. Are you out of your mind?
Did you not read the Hot Sucker Thread?
How about the Progressive Road Map Thread?
I have another thread as well that maps out what machines to play.
Some of the information may be dated but a lot of it is still operational.
Boulder Station Example that is current.
Jan 18 to Feb 16
They have a promotion that I posted about a week or so ago running for a month.
You may not be invited but that isn't the point you should be able to apply the basic math to any game you want to play.
The Promotion is that 280,000 base points will earn you 2600 in free play.
This adds .92% to whatever game you choose but lets keep it simple at .9%
You still can play on a point day. You want to get the 6x point day which gives you another .6% on your play.
This adds 1.5% to the game.
Putting in 280,000 coin is going to generate some serious mailers.
Best to be Local ID though.
Let us keep it simple and call it a 1% mailer which adds 1% to the game.
Now we are at 2.5% added. You have a few other things as well but lets forget that.
You can play dollar 16/10 deuces if you want to nit it up but it will take longer hours of work
For me it would take around 46 to 48 hours of play.
Let us play it safe and call it 55 hours.
You have 4 weeks to put in 55 hours.
That game is 99.7% payback + 2.5% = 102.2%
You now have a 2% hammer basically and that is the lower estimate.
2% at a rate of 5000 coin in per hour is 100 dollars per hour.
55 hours at $5000 per hour is 1000 hands per hour and you fall short at 275,000 coin in instead of 280,000 coin needed.
You have to adjust accordingly and my numbers are a low rough estimate.
Let us say you don't like counting in the backside and you just want the initial meat.
You have to adjust your numbers to 101.2%... let us keep it simple at 101% return.
This should net you 50 dollars per hour upfront.
Running bad or good does not matter since players who are doing this are doing this constantly.
This isn't a one time or one shot type of deal.
You only get involved in this when you are doing this on a daily basis.
This should be just one egg in a basket full of eggs.
Sometimes you run into something far better and you just skip this and play that.
It is always changing.
They have a 2 dollar and 5 dollar 9/6 BnsPkr Deluxe at a return of 99.6%
Much higher variance though so you will feel the burn on this game compared to NSUD.
However, you can get the coin in much faster.
I suggest the 2 dollar because you won't lock up the machines so much.
This will cut your time in half.
Around only 28 hours per card although faster players will be able to do it in 23/24 hours.
Think about that at the 5 dollar level and moving machines as you lock them up waiting for the payout.
You can get it done in 10/11 hours.
They also have 10 dollar 8/5 BP.
Now you will take a hit on the payback of the game at 99.17%
You are giving up a half of a percent to get the coin in much faster.
We are talking less than 6 hours.
These examples can be applied to any Video Poker game in Las Vegas.
Some players have enough money to take the swings of larger denomination games.
Of course playing higher runs the risk of being asked to leave forever.
You have to know what you can and can not get away with and which game is best to play per casino and what time to play it.
Comfort level is more important as well.
Some players are more comfortable playing quarters and others dollars.
6. I am pretty sure the apology is bullshit along with the questions.
It does not matter and I do not care.
Fuck Me... Fuck You... whatever.
I don't really answer your questions for you.
I answer them to help anyone that may need it or is interested.
The information is most likely meaningless to you but it may help someone on some other play somewhere else.
The examples and all of my information is basic guidelines for the most part.
I suspect you may work for the Casino in one fashion or another.
Some of the things you post sound like what Casino Management says.
I am probably wrong about that but who really cares?
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