casino cheating

[Moses]

Ok, I don't want to encourage you to continue to post these discussions with yourself (same as you do at ZZ), that only like 2 other members here even know what and who you are talking about. But jeez, I just can't...NOT comment. <- how's that for a double negative?

This is why I started a thread. It is not my intention to shove BJTF BS down people throats. But the idea derived or is a spin off of what you were doing. I just took it to another level.

First Norm. As RS_ recently posted, probably only you, RS_ and I have dealt with Norm. Outside of that, there are probably just a few that know of him from his stunt and odd behavior at WoV. The fact is Norm is egotistical. He is a control freak. He needs to be in charge and bully people. He needs to make the decisions....who can post, what they can post about, what he will delete. Those of us that dealt with Norm before BJTF all knew this. When Norm promised not to behave in this manner when he started BJTF, most of us were dupped. The smart ones stayed away and didn't give Norm that second chance.

Spot on analogy. But Norm is not going to bully me. When you stand up to one, like I did with him and have done in a casino many times, it's easy to see what they are made of...and it isn't much.

I'll tell you a little story that few people know. Early on because of some of the concerns about this exact situation, Norm empowered a second "moderator". Richard Munchkin. A fairer level-headed guy, the kind of guy that never gets involved in all the BS, you won't find. Perfect choice for a moderator. Munchkin lasted a very short time, A couple months maybe. And then just quietly left. Left moderating. Left posting at BJTF. Munchkin isn't the type to make a big deal of things and he didn't. But it really speaks volumes.

Excellent story and insight.

Good for attracting newer players and selling more products.

Quite a few issues with the SIM products.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think there is widespread casino cheating throughout the industry. I am not one of these guys that screams "cheating" every time I experience some sort of downturn and I have endured many, some lasting months. Of the few incidents of cheating that I personally have encountered, 99% I would characterize at the dealer level, rather than casino involvement. Some lone rouge type dealer dealing seconds, because he took a dislike to certain player(s). That type thing..

Yep. I've seen it and could take you directly to it. But it's not a big deal. I just skip it and move on. The one thing I can't overcome is 50% pen and preferential shuffling. That's a real pisser.

The exception was the ASM discussion, which I believe does involve casino employee and actually the manufacturer, although they have covered their ass from any kind of liability. This too is not widespread. But it had the potential (still does) to become a bigger problem and that is why I initiated that discussion. Better to be informed and at least know what you are looking at than to be the blind victim.

There are only to two machine shufflers that I play. Sometimes it does make me say Hmmm. But my column count works both ways. Many times I walk away from these machines with session wins and never push a bet.

Unfortunately that doesn't mesh with Norm Wattenberger's agenda of forum traffic and selling products, so he dis-allows that particular line of discussion just as he promised not to.

Okay, considering Norm's personality and narcissistic nature, that makes perfect sense. But why does he let T3 roam free with his bogus claims and support by Gronbog sims? Is that sort of like cover?


I can run sims on CV Data for single and double deck. You'd played both Vegas and the East Coast shoes extensively. I'd like your input on the most common rules to enter for shoes. I want to compare Wong Halves to Hi Opt II. No, I will never play shoes or these counts. But it's clear BJTF's intension is to create confusion to confound their understanding. I want to post some crystal clear results and let them chew on that for awhile.