Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
The Moses, and KewlJ debate:

Listening to both of you, all I see is a huge communication problem. Neither of you are even remotely talking about the same game. I hope you both realize they are completely different, and so far apart.
There is truth in this. I have acknowledged probably 100 times that Moses plays Reno and has access to decent Single deck games, real single deck games, not 6:5, and that makes him unique. 99.9% of blackjack card counters do not.

But there is a little more to it that that. I have played Reno. And I have spoken to other counters who have played or tried to play Reno. You just can't, not for any real money for any length of time. And before anyone links to LVBears Reno article, understand that he is talking about a counter that rolls into Reno a couple times a year. He advises of a couple places that will take some action, especially on weekends for a short time. Just trying showing up as a regular and getting that action down, week after week, let alone day after day. Not going to happen.

So, knowing that Moses plays Reno, I tried to cut him a break and not call him out, because I figured his claims weren't really hurting anyone.

But come on Bosox, you are a member at BJTF (for how much longer I don't know ). Does Moses's "column count" and now his claims of playing and winning with no variance not sound familiar to you? Whether he knows it of not or whether he did so intentionally or not, Moses has basically adopted T3's claims.

Again, I don't care as much as I did back in the day with T3, because Moses is not able to pull it off as convincingly as T3 was able to, at least for a while, so as to mislead as many. Most people that come in contact with Moses determine pretty quickly that he is a fool. So, again, I let Moses go and blow his own horn.

But his insistence of no variance, winning steadily with no swings over the past few days, has started to bother me. Completely impossible. Blackjack is a game of swings, of variance. You know that. I know that. The guys that wrote the books as far back as the 80's knew that. That is why they all talked about large bankrolls needed. And guess what? Back in the 80's, most games were single deck or double deck. And the rule still was that you needed a big bankroll because again.....blackjack card counting is a game of high variance, and big swings!

So yeah, we are talking about different games, but that doesn't change the fact that Moses has now crossed that line, where he is completely detached from reality and making claims (no variance) that are impossible.

I don't think there is too much need to continue because like I said, I don't think too many people take him seriously. But then you come along, and give him a little credibility, when you know this is much more than Moses and I playing different games. What is up with THAT BoSox? You just stirring the pot a little?