APs Wrongly Prosecuted - Keno - They're Suing Harrah's

[AxelWolf]

I just read some more articles about this case from 2014. I now understand it better. What these 5 gamblers did could not have been spotted by any standard AP techniques. There was a bug in the program that had these keno machines paying out 5 times more than it was supposed to, but only if you put the “right denominations” into the machine. It’s hard to believe they figured out the “right denomination” by chance.

This is why the gaming company, WMS, said these 5 won this money by “theft” and illegal activity. They obviously couldn’t prove their case, but both WMS and the casino strongly believe this is an “inside job”, meaning the person that wrote “the bug” in the code was somehow connected to these 5 gamblers.

What story makes most sense? That five gamblers from Vegas happen to drive all the way to Illinois and by chance figured out “the right denomination” to put in these machines to trigger 5 times the payout, or they got an “inside tip”?

Please link me to this article, I don't think you understand the facts or how this bug worked and you are misinterpreting certain things. I was told how it worked soon after it happen(I was keeping my eyes open for the machines in NV). I don't remember all the details, however, I don't recall it having to do with certain bill denominations, but rather certain machine denominations. And this kind of glitch/bug has been around for a while in more than one instance. So, it would stand to reason certain people would be looking for and testing various sequences and combinations on newly installed games. I don't know much about software programming and coding. I would think that other coders/programmers have an idea what kind of mistakes are made and what to look for when they want to find a vulnerability.

From my understanding the Double up bug from way back when was found yet again within the last few years here in Nevada in a popular gaming area.

AxelWolf, I can't find the article I just read, and I don't know how to find it on my phone. I'm sure there is a way. The article clearly said it was the "right" demoninations that triggered the 5 times payout. I did find this quote from a different article, which discussed the lawsuit the players filed against the casino: “While [the players] had ascertained how to increase the amounts paid through the particular denominations they bet."

No one is disputing it was a "particular" amount bet that triggered the bug that gave them the high payout. The question is how did they figure this out?

I'll continue to look for that article and when I find it, I'll post the link. I can't do that at work though since my work computer doesn't allow me to access this site, or any gambling site. I'll have to do it at hone. I can only access this site through my phone.

Just type in some key words, like the gamblers names and Joliet and you'll find a lot of articles that discuss this case from different viewpoints.

Perhaps you didnt want to find it that bad since it seems to dispute what you were trying to get us to believe.

Court House News Letter

"Binning, and later Dorobanov and Jovenich, were all charged with theft for having tampered with the keno machines, but they claim they did nothing illegal and had no way to tamper with the machines’ code.

In fact, the game manufacturer WMS Gaming admitted that the larger payouts resulted from a coding error, and none of its personnel had any contact with the players, according to the complaint.

“While [the players] had ascertained how to increase the amounts paid through the particular denominations they bet(* As I thought, this had nothing to do with bill denominations as you suggested), they did not physically manipulate the machine in any way, did not use prohibited devices, nor did they collude with or receive any inside information about the machines from anyone working at the manufacturer,” the complaint states. “By claiming to the prosecutors, judge, and grand jury that the plaintiffs had stolen the money and manipulated the machines illegally, and by failing to tell the truth, these defendants caused the plaintiffs to be wrongfully arrested and prosecuted.”

WMS Gaming paid Harrah’s parent company Caesars $2 million to settle the casino’s claims against it, but allegedly continued to blame the players for its losses.

The players say Caesars encouraged the game maker to prosecute them “even though Caesars knew that Mr. Binning had done nothing illegal.”

Dorobanov, who is also a world-ranked chess master(*I guess he could very well be a Super Genius) , says that he particularly suffered extreme hardship due to the fact that his wife was pregnant with twins as he awaited trial, and he was banned from entering any casino until a judge dismissed all charges against the gamblers in 2015."