Originally Posted by
kewlJ
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a -EV player (losing player) going home with a profit. As a matter of fact you should do so EVERY chance you get. if you put a dollar in a machine and win your first spin, resulting in $1.25....you SHOULD get up and go home. Because every spin you take further it becomes more likely you will lose. Not trying to be nasty....those are just the hard cold facts.
Now for a +EV player the exact opposite is true. Every spin he takes it becomes more likely he will win, so he should keep playing as long as he is playing at an advantage.
And these statements are
exactly why the AP-argument never holds water.
Guess what kew--no $2 and up vp-AP plays any positive pay table because there aren't any....even at the dollar level they're nearly non-existant. All they do to smooth over their assertions is toss on slot club and other fluff (just as EVERY vp player always does, but most don't play games with that stuff) in order to be able to proclaim they're "playing with an edge".
It all boils down to this "mathematical certainty" issue you crow about without even knowing what you're talking about. Anyone can easily determine that most of your statements are some sort of convoluted twist on book math. If you had any education on the subject at all, you'd KNOW what you said is blatantly untrue. There is absolutely a way for -EV to come out positive in the "long run" just as there is +EV to come out negative. That's what the math says, not the crazy mixed up screwball interpretation you've come up with. You know that Bell Curve you've heard and read about but apparently cannot comprehend? Start by studying that.
For sure, I'm on the exception side of that. And how's I get there and how do I stay there? Because I'm intelligent enuf and have studied enuf to know that good luck and bad luck play major rolls in gambling. People who go around proclaiming "there's no such thing as luck" in gambling are doing nothing but exposing their dropout status.
The combination of good luck and quitting at pre-determined win goals (not stop-loss limits, which only reduces profit) is the ONLY way to win at any EV vp game consistently. Conversely, on and on play with bad luck is the only way to lose in the same games.
You people are like blinded puppets, in a confusing world with off-beat music in your ears. Especially you kew. When you use the words "mathematical certainty" you need to understand WTF you are saying before bloviating. You would get destroyed in a debate with an educated person. Which is also why you don't have and couldn't hold a real job.
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