OK, in fairness, I have now confirmed that the instructions in the articlue for executing this play were incorrect and the author knew that they were incorrect. (journalism??? These guys are so honest.
Alan would be proud)
Mickey and Axelwolf seem certain that Singer knows what the proper instructions or sequence was. I accept that. My only question is did he know it at the time or is this information he came into after the fact, perhaps long after the fact? There are numerous ways to now have gained this knowledge after the fact, especially after this story became public years ago.
I just do not accept at Singer's word that he knew this information at the time and executed this play to the tune of 3 million dollars for 6 years. And if that seems sour to Rob or anyone else....so be it. I put a lot of stock in a person's credibility and Singer has lied repeatedly about almost everything. I have listed the important stuff twice. Plus he has lied all sorts of completely irrelevant little things. So that's where I am at.
I also want to quote and second this post by Mission, because I have been saying this for days now. Singer's explanation that this was all a big deflect to protect this play just doesn't work. All he had to do to protect this play
was say nothing. And if you were to take Singer at face value now (which I am unwilling to do) there is also the fact that he
intentionally mislead players by insisting his progressive betting/stop limits/special plays strategy (which has nothing to do with this latest revelation) was a winning strategy, when it was and continues to be mathematically impossible. And in fact he continues to double down
even today, that he successfully played that strategy and made a lot of money, when again it is mathematically impossible.
Bottom line there is just a super long history of bullshit and I am not ready to take this guys word on anything.
Originally Posted by
Mission146
Assuming everything that you are saying is true, let me then ask you this: Why run around for years advocating and defending what essentially amounts to a video poker betting system other than for bragging rights? That's totally irresponsible and sets people up to believe in a system that has a mathematical expectation of losing. How many people could have lost how much money thinking they could win just by adopting a system that varies bets and gradually progresses upward in denomination?
They were calling what you were saying bunk because, without the double-up glitch, it is bunk. I just don't understand why talk about it at all if you either could not or would not come out with what the play actually is. There's no need whatsoever for diversion if you just don't say anything at all about it.
I also still have a problem with the play itself whether Singer executed it or not. Manipulating a machine to pay money on a win at a level you were not playing and did not win on is wrong. It's dishonest. It's cheating. And it is illegal. People here seem to want to justify this by saying Kane and Nestor weren't convicted. Well OJ wasn't convicted of murder but he still did it and it's still wrong and a crime.
Others want to say all they did was push buttons and that's not illegal. Pushing buttons on a computer is also not illegal, but doing so to hack into Bank of American and steal information or money IS. And that is pretty good comparison. Bottom line is wrong is wrong justifying it because you think it is advantage play, because it's the casino industry or just because AP's want the money, doesn't make it right. Manipulating a machine to pay money at a level you didn't win is WRONG. Accepting that money is WRONG. You guys can pretend you don't know the difference between right or wrong, but you are lying. You are choosing not to care. That is basically what criminals do.
So Y'all can celebrate this kind of thing (whether Singer is involved or not) but this isn't advantage play to me. Advantage play to me is winning fairly, honestly, within the rules, within the law. Things like card counting, or playing 100+ payback. Using MATH and legal means to win. And here is the big key for those that want to pretend not to know the difference: If you are spending 10 years hiding out, constantly moving around, looking over your shoulder, waiting for the statute of limitations to expire, then there is something wrong. You just aren't being honest that you did nothing wrong.
I think I have made my feeling known and I am aware there are many that disagree, so I won't comment further.