Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

Think about that. You said it because of your bias. If that were the case, every single jackpot hand Kane and Nestor got at every casino were reviewed upstairs. What'd Security do--say "Well....it's not Singer, so we'll just let it go" until the dumb Silverton employee upstairs made a mistake and decided to look at his jackpots?
I think this is wrong Rob. I think Surveillance looks at handpay jackpots. Why wouldn't they? And if a player seems to hit a frequent amount of jackpots they will be known. That's why that fuck Stephan Paddock was KNOWN. I am equally sure both Kane and Nestor where known before the hammer came down. I am sure some of those hand pays were looked at. It just took a while. I am equally sure that if your story was true, you were known.

I mean sooner or later they are going to catch on. Kane and Nestor was in the sooner category, because they were stupid and greedy, but sooner or later...

And all it takes is one surveillance person. One guy on a lazy weekday morning or afternoon, to have just a little suspicion. And even if he doesn't actually discover the play, but has suspicion, you might end up in a database and then more and more surveillance will be looking at you even more frequently. It is just rather hard to believe that somewhere along the line for 6 years, even being careful to play short sessions and move around a lot and not over play casinos, that someone wouldn't have caught on to this.
This is not thought out well. If ANY surveillance person saw anything about how Kane and/or Nestor hit their jackpots, they'd have stopped them right then and there. Even at the Silverton, after Kane's jackpots became suspicious, all the eye in the sky looked at was his winning hands--not how he hit them.
I agree with you Ron. People need to go back and read the wire.com article again. The reason Kane and Nestor got caught is because they would sit in a casino and win multiple jackpots. At one point, Kane won seven (yes, seven) in an hour and a half. And these weren’t small jackpots. They were in the $10,000 range.

The bigger shock is why did the casinos let them win so many jackpots before they stopped it. You’d think by number four, they would have started getting suspicious something wasn’t right.

And the even bigger shocker for me is that these two clowns (really just one clown, Kane) came up with this play. If they found it, I’m surprised more people didn’t find it. This is why I think Kane owning one of these machines and having it in his house helped him understand how it worked and led to him finding this play. I’m just speculating here, but I don’t believe it happened like Nestor said in the article. Yeah, right, two bozos just sat in a casino for a couple days pressing diffeeent buttons and happened to come upon it. It’s hard for me to believe it happened that way.

It’s also hard for me to believe Kane was so sutupid to just sit in a casino and win jackpot after jackpot and not think eventually the casinos would know something was fishy. He couldn’t have been that stupid. I think this is Nestor’s version so he could have exaggerated. If the casinos said this is what happened, I would have asked them why they waited so long to do something about it.

Ron, I now believe you found this play too, but I question your timeline. It seems like you found this play the year it was available. But anybody reading this article would also know it was out there six years before Kane and Nestor got caught so this was public information. The six years appears too perfect, meaning learning of the play the year it was available.

My other question is why didn’t more people find it? There are a lot of Video Poker players out there. It doesn’t appear too hard to find. Why did it exist for so long without it being exploited by multiple people? Who knows, maybe it was and these people are keeping silent.

Interesting story no matter how you look at it.