Originally Posted by
Rob.Singer
A few questions I'll respond to.
First, my constant participation in this forum recently is only a function of my being laid up with a broken foot awaiting surgery next month. Busy people just can't keep up daily. That's what makes kew the 9th wonder of the world.
--jbjb asks if I'm saying I "discovered" this play. Well, I discovered it for me, and that's all I'll claim. That was in Feb. 2004. There very well may have been other(s) who found it earlier or later, although highly unlikely because most people don't know how to keep their mouths shut. And I will say, do you people actually think I would have expected the hate & envy-filled anti-Singer bunch around here to just accept this without trying to twist and turn and create new "facts" in order that they may cope easier? Had I explained what I did to each of you on the phone like I did with axel and mickey instead of the continuous chorus of trying to find alternate rationales, I guarantee there wouldn't be a single anti-Singer remark made. Of course there's no "proof" attached to this--too much time has passed. But how many times have we seen kew claim he doesn't believe ANYBODY has to prove anything? The reason that claim has no credibility is because he's selectively biased. AP's tell the truth/everyone else lies.
--mickey, the tax return thing would have had critics crying foul. They'd have said I somehow manipulated those, and all for what? To have my and my wife's personal finances out? redietz immediately would have shouted "Alan is a shill and a stooge for Rob!" and the rest of you would call me some sort of liar. It was not worth it.
--kew (who else) is hoping and praying to get something....anything....that'll convince his faulty mind that I'm lying. I don't know who he emailed or how credible any information from that source is. The article from Wired has the incorrect steps (and this is from memory). What it did was, on the one hand explain that a winning hand was played for, but it then listed the steps to take in order to use an existing winning hand. Here's the correct steps, and I'll include my administrative comments as well:
1. Sit down with a $5000 bankroll. Get double up enabled on a (we'll use my favorite) $1/$2/$5/$10/$25 multi-game machine. The larger the ratio between the lowest denomination and the highest, the better. (The BEST was the 25c thru $10 uprights at Casino Monte Lago. The two 25c thru $25 bartops at the Rio had a better spread and they had TBP+, but the machines were too old and the glitch wasn't on them). Double up was easy to ask for and receive back then. I've found it tougher since 2009, but I don't frequent casinos any longer.
2. Select the game that has the most high-end possible winners. SDBP was always my choice if they had it, then TDBP, TBP+, but much of the time it was DDBP. Remember to make sure the pay table for the game you're gonna play is the same for the lowest and highest denominations. That's more the exception than the case these days, so be sure. Back then equal pay tables were more common. Bad pay tables do NOT matter.
3. Play at the lowest denom until you hit what will be a signer at the highest denom. Although this play works for any winner and will rack up credits if it's not high enuf for a W2G (except for one odd machine I've found 3-1/2 years ago) I only used taxables because of my One-and-Done policy. Others may assume the risk of hitting multiple smaller winners would be worth it.
4. Once any winner is hit you have that annoying Double up? question come on. You just say no every time except this time. Here, you do not answer, and you instead insert a bill (or ticket) which eliminates the DU question but your winning quad or whatever remains on the screen, unpaid.
5. You then select More Games, up the denomination, select the game you hit the winner on, and hit the cashout button. Your four Aces with a kicker for $2000 is now $50,000 and the jackpot! stuff goes off.. Or, your quad 6's for $250 is now $6250. Either way, you used a fraction of your $5k bankroll to accomplish this.
Like I've said, anyone who uses an existing winner they did not hit or uses a winner to collect on more than once, in my mind is doing something very wrong. But I understand the majority of people would probably choose to do it this way. It's what got Kane caught though. Also, this is 10 years on. If you locate one of these machines and get caught for whatever reason, the casino people may not be familiar with the past, and you may have to go thru being cuffed and jailed until everything gets sorted out.
My approach to everything about this was being super careful....almost to the point of being neurotic. While you know better, you're always thinking someone may be watching you from somewhere, and that outcome may not be so pleasant. To be sure, there was a certain thrill involved with this, and the first time I came across this play was an amazing feeling.