Advantage play / cheating / crime....where is the line?

[mickeycrimm]

If Rob announced his retirement shortly after Kane was caught and the memo warning casinos to disable DU was issued but long before those facts were public knowledge, that supports his story. It doesn't weaken it as KJ seems to think...

It’s amazing how KJ continues to not be able to zero in on important aspects of Rob’s story. Rob said he walked into a casino in 2009 and requested they activate the double up. He was told they had received a memo from IGT telling them to turn off the double ups. Rob would have instantly known the jig was up. And it was at this time he announced his retirement.

[kewlJ]

Oh who even cares? This topic had played itself out until Rob resurrected it desiring more attention.

Only thing I even care about today is that Rob's medical situation goes well, he grows healthy and is around to advise us all for many more decades.

[smurgerburger]

Wow.

[RS__]

What’s Rob’s recent health situation or whatever?

[PIGGY BANKER]

What’s Rob’s recent health situation or whatever?

Natural causes
He's old

[mickeycrimm]

Rob’s got a broken foot. I suppose there’s a chance that It was just a coincidence that Rob announced his retirement shortly after Kane got busted. Whaddya say, KJ? About the same chance as rolling 18 yo’s in a row? Lol!

[Bob21]

Rob’s got a broken foot. I suppose there’s a chance that It was coincidence that Rob announced his retirement shortly after Kane got busted. Whaddya say, KJ? About the same chance as rolling 18 yo’s in a row? Lol!

Mickey, you’re kind of a one trick pony. Rob retiered in 2009 and Kane was busted in 2009, so in your mind this proves Rod exploited this play. I think you’ve only told us this in about 5,067 posts. We get it!!! You don’t need to keep saying the same thing again and again. This is the ONLY “ coincidence” (note I didn’t say “evidence”) that makes you believe Rod did what he said.

You require a very low burden of proof to believe something. We get it! I’m sure glad you aren’t over our justice system or you sit on any juries. Who knows what screwed up verdicts you’d hand down? You grab a hold of one piece of “coincidence“ and ignore all the “evidence” and then throw “common sense” out the window. Good job ace detective. Lol.

[PIGGY BANKER]

Columbo Crimm

[smurgerburger]

Rob’s got a broken foot. I suppose there’s a chance that It was coincidence that Rob announced his retirement shortly after Kane got busted. Whaddya say, KJ? About the same chance as rolling 18 yo’s in a row? Lol!

Mickey, you’re kind of a one trick pony. Rob retiered in 2009 and Kane was busted in 2009, so in your mind this proves Rod exploited this play. I think you’ve only told us this in about 5,067 posts. We get it!!! You don’t need to keep saying the same thing again and again. This is the ONLY “ coincidence” (note I didn’t say “evidence”) that makes you believe Rod did what he said.

You require a very low burden of proof to believe something. We get it! I’m sure glad you aren’t over our justice system or you sit on any juries. Who knows what screwed up verdicts you’d hand down? You grab a hold of one piece of “coincidence“ and ignore all the “evidence” and then throw “common sense” out the window. Good job ace detective. Lol.

It's not the only evidence. You have forgotten that he seems to know exactly how the play works which is information that nobody has been able to show was ever publicized.

There's also the general plausibility of his story and the fact that nobody has been able to poke a hole in it.

Of course it could be a hoax but if it is Rob is doing a very good job with it.

[Bob21]

Rob’s got a broken foot. I suppose there’s a chance that It was coincidence that Rob announced his retirement shortly after Kane got busted. Whaddya say, KJ? About the same chance as rolling 18 yo’s in a row? Lol!

Mickey, you’re kind of a one trick pony. Rob retiered in 2009 and Kane was busted in 2009, so in your mind this proves Rod exploited this play. I think you’ve only told us this in about 5,067 posts. We get it!!! You don’t need to keep saying the same thing again and again. This is the ONLY “ coincidence” (note I didn’t say “evidence”) that makes you believe Rod did what he said.

You require a very low burden of proof to believe something. We get it! I’m sure glad you aren’t over our justice system or you sit on any juries. Who knows what screwed up verdicts you’d hand down? You grab a hold of one piece of “coincidence“ and ignore all the “evidence” and then throw “common sense” out the window. Good job ace detective. Lol.

It's not the only evidence. You have forgotten that he seems to know exactly how the play works which is information that nobody has been able to show was ever publicized.

There's also the general plausibility of his story and the fact that nobody has been able to poke a hole in it.

Of course it could be a hoax but if it is Rob is doing a very good job with it.

By the way, many people have poked holes in Rob’s story. Have you been reading any of the posts on this thread? Many of the things Rob keeps repeating is in the wire.com article. I’ve read the article about 100 times so I spot it when Rob says something. As many have already pointed out, many people knew the exact play, so big deal. It’s 10 years later. Why do you think it’s such a big deal Rob knew the exact play? That doesn’t prove anything.

Kj made a good point. Both sides are anchored in. Those in Mickey’s camp who believe he did it, and those in Kj’s camp who question if he did it and are learning torwards he made it up to gain attention. In my camp, I straight up don’t believe his story. I can’t prove it, but I don’t believe it. Call it using “common sense”. There are too many things Rob has said that throw up red flags. It’s not proof, but for me it makes his story unbelievable.

In the end, it really doesn’t matter. People can believe what they want. I mean there are still people out there that believe Big Foot is real. Does that effect me? No. Am I going to spend my time telling them they’re wrong. No. Hey, some people still believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy. People, including Mickey, are free to believe whatever they want. It sounds like this is very important to Mickey. It’s become his cause. In fact, I think it’s good he’s found something that gives his life meaning.

[kewlJ]

Rob’s got a broken foot. I suppose there’s a chance that It was just a coincidence that Rob announced his retirement shortly after Kane got busted. Whaddya say, KJ? About the same chance as rolling 18 yo’s in a row? Lol!

I just don't see that as proof of anything. I think you are giving to much weight to that.

[kewlJ]

Kj made a good point. Both sides are anchored in. Those in Mickey’s camp who believe he did it, and those in Kj’s camp who question if he did it and are learning torwards he made it up to gain attention. In my camp, I straight up don’t believe his story. I can’t prove it, but I don’t believe it. Call it using “common sense”. There are too many things Rob has said that throw up red flags. It’s not proof, but for me it makes his story unbelievable.

In the end, it really doesn’t matter. People can believe what they want.

I wish you wouldn't draw those lines of "Mickey's camp" and "kewlj's camp". That is not what it is....at least to me.

Mickey believes one thing and one or two people have spoken up in agreement. I happen to believe something else and at least a few people have similar questions. It's not a war or battle. Everyone is free to decide for themselves just how credible they find Rob and this story.

Again, there wouldn't be any question if Rob had some supporting documentation. Just seems strange that he claims to have discarded anything like that when he himself says he knew there would be skeptics.

[mickeycrimm]

I just don't see that as proof of anything. I think you are giving to much weight to that.

You have to say that because you intend not give weight to any of the evidence. It will draw you to a conclusion you can't possible live with.

As best I could I took an unbiased look at the evidence. YOU DIDN'T! You started with a conclusion and looked for every way you could to back up that conclusion including twisting up facts several times. You absolutely don't want it to be true. You couldn't stand it if it were true. You just want it reallly bad to not be true. All of this is why you have no credibility.

I remember taking a lot of heat for taking your side in your issue with Shack. I was petty much the only one standing up for you. Did I have a "lack of objectivity" then? Did I have "blinders" on then. Was I "impressed" with you then? Was I gullible and naive then? They weren't the exact words but I was accused of all of that in defending you. Was I wrong to go against the grain then?

Well, here I am going against the grain again. And the first thing you do is attack my credibility. You didn't attack it when I was going against the grain in defense of you.

[BoSox]

In a reply to bob21 KJ wrote:

I wish you wouldn't draw those lines of "Mickey's camp" and "kewlj's camp".


KJ, with Bob it is all about instigating others for the purpose of entertaining himself.

[kewlJ]

Mickey, you defended me because I was right. And I respect that you find Rob credible. I really do. As a matter of fact I think my very first statement on the matter was something along the line that because you and Axelwolf found Rob credible that I accepted his claim.

But the more he has said, the more some things don't add up for me. So despite that I continue to have great respect for both you and Axel, does that mean I don't get an opinion as to whether I find Rob credible or not? Me and everyone else have that right too and it isn't a slap or disrespect towards you.

[kewlJ]

That I can't live with it is silly. That sounds like Rob talking. Rob thinks and wants everyone to be thinking and talking about him. He thrives on that attention.

I don't hate Rob. Yes I got pissed at the things he said about me and others including you. That is not how decent people talk or behave. But I get over things.

So whether Rob did or didn't make this play doesn't effect me or my life one iota. But that doesn't mean I don't get to have my opinion. And my opinion is that I see nothing that comes close to supporting this claim. But I do see many unanswered questions, red flags and things that don't make sense to me and others. I also see many years of untruthfulness and trolling of everyone with claims that were untrue, including what was proven to be a phony 200k jackpot picture just weeks before this claim.

I am not going to ignore all that. For me this boy has cried "wolf" too many times. I am not going to believe him until I see the Wolf. And that is HIS fault. He is the one that destroyed his own credibity

[Bob21]

John Kane got busted at the Silverton in early July, 2009. That was mid 2009. The same time Rob announced his retirement. This is just a huge coincidence, right? It's this key piece of evidence that has me thinking Rob really did put this play down. So far everyone else has ignored this key piece of evidence. Perhaps someone here can explain why it was just a huge coincidence.

Mickey, please go back and reread your own posts. The above quote is from you. It’s post #897. From this post, I can tell you don’t have a basic understanding of the difference between “evidence” and “coincidence”. You use these two words interchangeably. A “coincidence” is not “evidence”. This is what you’re laying your hat on...a “coincidence”, and you keep calling it “evidence”. It’s not!!!

You’re clearly not a lawyer. I can see now why Rob went to you with his story. He knew you’d believe it. There are many, many red flags with his story and no evidence. Rob himself said he didn’t keep any evidence or records of this play, so why do you keep on saying there is “evidence”? There is none! It’s that simple!

I can tell this is very important to you, so you need to believe it for your own piece of mind. As for the rest of us, we’ll make up our own mind. Please accept that too.

[Bob21]

In a reply to bob21 KJ wrote:

I wish you wouldn't draw those lines of "Mickey's camp" and "kewlj's camp".


KJ, with Bob it is all about instigating others for the purpose of entertaining himself.

Bosox, you’re just upset with me because I didn’t give you a “camp”. I’m sorry I can’t give you a “camp” because you’re a follower. To get your own “camp”, you’ve got to be a leader and have an independent thought.

As far as entertaining myself that is not my goal. I’m not that selfish. I also like to entertain Moses over there on zenzone. He’s been putting out some high quality stuff lately. Hope you’ve been keeping up.

[mickeycrimm]

Mickey, you defended me because I was right. And I respect that you find Rob credible. I really do. As a matter of fact I think my very first statement on the matter was something along the line that because you and Axelwolf found Rob credible that I accepted his claim.

But the more he has said, the more some things don't add up for me. So despite that I continue to have great respect for both you and Axel, does that mean I don't get an opinion as to whether I find Rob credible or not? Me and everyone else have that right too and it isn't a slap or disrespect towards you.

Everyone else said you were wrong. I defended you in the face of that. You didn't attack my credibility then. Why are you doing it now? It's the same thing. I went against the grain then and I'm going against the grain now.

BTW, stop quoting that babbling idiot, boob21. The block doesn't work on quotes. Anyone quotes him I have to skip over that post. I don't have time for the imbecilic.

[mickeycrimm]

Rob’s got a broken foot. I suppose there’s a chance that It was just a coincidence that Rob announced his retirement shortly after Kane got busted. Whaddya say, KJ? About the same chance as rolling 18 yo’s in a row? Lol!

I just don't see that as proof of anything. I think you are giving to much weight to that.

You aren't giving it any weight at all. It has to be a coincidence to you because that is what supports your pre-drawn narrative.