Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
The AP database would never be for that casino alone. Casinos are run by people with industry friends.
I agree with this. One of those friends or associates would be the database company itself. While I am not aware, nor heard from players I network with, it wouldn't surprise me if one of the database groups like OSN or biometrics was really reaching out to include machine type AP's in their databases. It seems this is the "hot" area that the casino industry is concerned about right now....probably over-concerned about, just as they have been with card counters for decades. With the casino industry, Boyd and others seemingly cracking down and more concerned with machine AP's, it would be a nature fit for the database groups to begin focusing on machine AP's as well, not because they are a threat, but mealy because the casino industry lately has the bug up their ass thinking that these players are a threat.

Now that said, I don't think a rather rinky-dink outfit like 5th street gaming, owners of DTG would be the participant. But ya never know. Something to be cautious about.

With blackjack, there are games in Las Vegas that are known as counter traps. Mostly double deck games. Some of the games, players know the consequences will be felt at only that property. Others are part of a chain and consequences can be felt throughout sister properties. And some, whether independent or part of a chain, are big contributors to the databases and consequences can be far reaching.

You never know what this industry is up to. They get a bug up there ass feeling that AP's are costing them money and they blow it way out of proportion and end up spending 10 times, even 100 times as much on countermeasures, including subscriptions to the various databases, and different technology than they were "losing" to the AP's in the first place. Bill Zender had it right like 15 years ago with card counters that casinos should just ignore like 99% and only worry about the select few (mostly well funded teams) that really effect the casinos bottom line. The same is true for machine AP's. Casinos are overly paranoid and spend far more to fix "problems" than the "problems" were costing them in the first place. This is exactly what occurred when casinos began being run by people that went to business school instead of people that knew the casino business.