Originally Posted by redietz View Post
I'm going to put in my two cents. I don't know how old Axelwolf is, but somebody's coming across like he's lived a sheltered life. This is all tempest in a teapot nonsense. And if "Singer" weren't in an anti-KJ corner, he'd be harping on what a "snowflake" Axel sounds like.

KJ didn't do anything. Period. If and when he does something, then he's done something. KJ went, "Nyahh, nyaahhh, you're gonna be exposed." Axel portrays this as some big deal threat to the universe. Goddamn, Axel, I have some brilliant advice for you. That advice is based on the fact that sports handicappers have been stealing and exposing each other's plays for gazillions of years. The only thing that keeps me out of the circle jerk is that I'm an anomaly -- I use very few "set plays." So nobody can steal anything from me, or expose my livelihood to the casino bad guys, or hurt me. But the best people in the business have had their best plays exposed, their client lists stolen, their run-ins with the law or whatever publicized. Mike Lee, one of the finest handicappers of all time, entered into partnerships with people who ripped off everything from his style to his plays to his clients. People try to data mine your plays and profile every handicapper who wins -- they are trying to destroy you every blessed day of every year.

So here's my brilliant advice to naïve snowflakes:

If somebody has the ability to shut you down, expose you, and hurt you, you may want to consider treating them with formality and a modicum of respect. Now if I thought KJ was actually going to expose you, Axel -- and I do not -- the problem is mainly of your making. If you know people who'd have no qualms about putting you in the ground if you disrespect them, and reality forces you to interact with them regularly (and yes, I have dealings with those kinds of people and have for 40 years), then guess what? Don't be a flippant horse's ass in their company.

Now I realize this is just genius advice. But I figure I'd pass it along.

I don't know how standard APs operate, but until somebody does something, they haven't done something. If KJ wanted to out you or anybody, all he'd have to do his have a friend or brother do it. Or hell, me. I'd do it, sufficiently motivated.

I find your post such a flagrant attempt to squash KJ, who hasn't done anything, that it's ridiculous. I don't even understand your logic. If you get KJ banned here, based on his threat to out you, then why wouldn't he out you? You must want to be outed, or being outed isn't a big deal. I mean, that's the logical outcome, right?

Unless, of course, you know KJ wouldn't do that?

So which is it?

As for some other things on your list of KJ's psycho moments:

1) People look up other people's info all the time, usually with more detail than what KJ does. My brother-in-law was the biggest PI in New Mexico. If I wanted to know anything about anybody on this forum, odds are, I'd be able to do it. I haven't bothered. If you have an email address of someone, you're about 50/50 to being able to track down their name and residence. Here's a hint: KJ has money. He could just buy the forum if he wanted to screw with people. Big revelation.

2) If somebody's screws with you, reminding them you're going to screw with them in perpetuity is SOP. What, you're supposed to play nice? Why? Shackleford, in my opinion, based on what I've read, deserves any grief he gets from KJ.


I've said this before, but I'm not sure I'd last 72 hours as KJ's roommate unless he were mute or I could slap him in the face once every 12 minutes. But that doesn't make him an evil anti-AP psycho. I don't know why you guys are playing drama queens aimed at the resident drama queen, but grow up and get real.

And my advice: if somebody has the ability to squash you, or the inclination to bury you and yours, you may want to inject some formality into your interactions. Or cease the interactions on a friendly note.
Yes Red, I know sports betting is a superior form Advantage play, and I'm not being sarcastic about that. I currently invest in sports betting, obviously not to the level you and many others do.

You would be absolutely wrong thinking I have lived a sheltered life. I put myself in a situation where I haven't had to work a normal job for most of my adult life. Yes, I've been lucky enough to experience many carefree easy-going fun-filled years throughout out my life due to the path I chose, but I can almost guarantee I've been through a lot more and overcome much more than most people here, but who cares, many people go through worse and some people never had an actual hard day in their life.

I'm not sure where I said that KJ had the ability to squash my career? I've been in data bases (including Griffin) and on the casinos radar since the 90's so theres probably not much more anyone can do that hasn't already been done. Even if I could never step foot in another casino again it wouldn't end my career, I would find a way around it just like I found a way around it just like I found a way around all the other obstacles that come up in my life and career. I'm not saying there's zero chance of some consequences if he does or has done that. I absolutely do think he's capable I'm doing something like that looking at his history and just the pure fact that he said it. If so, he already has even before all this,and is only now using it as a tool in order to try to shut me up.

I've been involved in sports betting and all different types of Advantage play from A to Z to understand the the diffrent levels of the seriousness of being exposed has on your ability to proceed. I would say blackjack is probably one of the worst to have information exposed about you. And just like sports, people "stealing", exposing, learning, killing comes along with almost all Advantage play forms. And that's why I tried to do and learn as many different things as possible and not just be committed to one(unlike KJ).

As a professional sports bettor and/or whatever else you got going, Perhaps you think it's a less serious issue being expose.

This was really no longer about me very soon after he said it. This was about anyone and everyone in the AP community and KJ. Obviously it's more serious to some than others. If it's not serious to you or someone else then no big deal. But, don't tell me whats serious to and others and what's not. Even he himself knows what he said IS some big deal threat to the AP universe. He may no longer admit that now considering that threat came out of his singers and thoughts. No doubt, has anyone else said what he said to anyone else on the forums he absolutely would have went ballistic and claimed it to be the worst possible thing one could say as an advantage player and I would be right there in his corner. I would never have anything to do with anybody that said something like that, nor would most other Advantage players I know. Why do you think he said it to me? He was trying to shut me up and scare me because apparently something hit a nerve with him(you still can't explain exactly what I said that was so wrong). I believe at the time he said it he was serious about what he said and there is a chance he already acted on it prior. I just don't think he realized how everyone else would view his comment because at the time he probably felt it was okay because it was just directed at me. I'm sure he had a no s*** moment realizing how others will view that comment. He basically said f*** the community, what community. So now people are thinking this guy doesn't give a s*** about the community and anytime he gets a hair up his ass this guy might just do exactly what he's thinking if he hasn't already. If he feels the community has turned on him, there's no reason to believe he wouldn't turn on the community. He obviously has some sort of feeling the community has turned on him. That's really going to be a big punch in the gut considering desperate he is to belong on East forums. That's obvious considering all the damage the forums have caused him in so many ways(how many times has he said he's leaving and not coming back?)

And for the Record, I never tried to get KJ banned from here or anywhere else. I didn't run around on other forums and social media groups exposing what he had said. If he gets banned from yet another forum the community that will be all his own doing, no doubt, he will blame everyone, BUT, himself. The more he sits and yaps about it on this thread the more traction it'll gain and the more people will know about it. I'm not going to walk on eggshells because of this. I wasn't the one that said it and no matter how much he or any on else wants to turn it around on me just a bunch of smoke and mirrors. And no amount of that is going to be enough to whitewash what he said.

You may not think he's a psychopath but I guarantee you many others do. As far as the evil part goes, I guess that remains to be seen. Considering the fact that KJ's met almost no one that anybody knows of, we only have what he says on the forums to go on. If you go back and look at his complete history and all the crazy things and add them up it doesn't look good.


You are assuming KJ has money. Have you seen or do you know anybody that has seen KJ's money we're done business with him that could verify anything at all whatsoever in any way shape or form? I'm not saying he does or doesn't I really don't care, I'm just using him as an example since you made that assumption about him. Personally I like some kinda chain of verification from some people I've actually seen and met in person. When there's enough people we have dealt with that person and seen evidence of those assumptions. Whatever the case, I know what my IP address comes back as and it's not even close to my address. And my phone doesn't come back to me either. I certainly didn't add any of my personal information to the site and I probably used some throwaway email address. I really don't even know what you're getting at with all that. I suppose anybody who had money could buy The Forum if they were willing to pay enough. From my understanding Dan isn't willing to sell it for an amount anyone would be willing to buy it for I think I may have asked them before. What's more likely I'd be willing to buy it than anyone else. And now that you mention i,t wouldn't it be more likely people like Norm and whatever forums he's not welcome at have had KJ's IP addresses and email information?

I'm not sure if you were directing that snowflake stiff at me, but just in case. I am for you to go back I look at my history across some of the forums and there's nothing to indicate I'm a snowflake. Whatever my reaction is to this particular situation I don't think Here Comes Close to snowflake territory. And you would have been one did have hey snowflake reaction I don't think anyone should be considered a snowflake when it comes to this.
Anyways, I'm thinking I'm spending considerably less time on this forum. Because for the most part just a bunch of people attacking one another. And I'm actually welcome most another forums


p.s is your brother-in-law Jay J. Armes? Oh wait, never mind, that guy's from New Mexico. Quite an interesting character if you don't know already.