Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post

Allow me to turn this around. Why waste another second on this, including on you Mr Kewlj? You haven't observed every casino player over their lifetime. All you've done is parrot some theory you've read.

Frankly what does it matter. People have won the lottery and for the rest of us life just goes on. Someone else wins at video poker or blackjack or craps and defies the odds and for the rest of us life just goes on.

Why obsess over it? You can't do anything about it.
Yes I have read everything on winning gambling (advantage play) that I could find. That happens to be how one learns, so I don't know why you keep dismissing that. And then, I have lived it. I am finishing my 16th year of supporting myself from advantage play, mostly card counting, but some other things mixed in a little along the way. My apologies to my fellow AP's that don't like to consider card counting as real advantage play.

Andrew math is everything. Everything in life is about math, even things you don't associate. The automobile runs because of math.

And gambling, playing with an advantage as well as negative expectation gambling is certainly all about math.

I just said I have read everything I can find on advantage play, in particular card counting. But most of that didn't come from books as you keep alluding to. Most of that can from different forums and networking opportunities arising from participating on these forums. That is where what knowledge I have came from, other people sharing their experiences and then me going out and making my experiences for 16 years now.

So why obsess over it? I don't like it when people come to these forums and make claims that are mathematically impossible that mislead and can hurt other players. I learned from other players sharing real experience based on real math, and I simply don't like it when someone spews phony claims, based on alternative math, that can harm other players. I don't like it at all!

Now I don't call out every case I see or suspect. There is some responsibility for players to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking. But every once in a while, someone comes along like Mr. Singer here, or T3 on the blackjack forum, with his super duper count that is sooo convincing, with their alternative math, and misdirects, and "muddying the waters", that you can literally see some members falling for it. I believe true advantage players, have not only a right but a responsibility to call "Bullshit"!

And not all AP's share my view. Many of my fellow AP's will say nothing. Self preservation. What do they care is some naïve person gets hurt. The last thing in the world they want to do is create more AP, more competition. That is fine. Their right. But I am going to continue to call out the most egregious of these ridiculous misleading claims.