"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Prozema was implying that he thought the reel strips themselves in the main game were different at the higher bet levels. I don't believe that's the case. I think the difference in base game return is solely due to the extra money taken out to fund better bonuses.
I think he did think that. I thought the same thing and another slot player I spoke with did too.
I wasn't being sarcastic, I think it's funny that AFAIK none of us bothered to just check the pay tables for the different denoms.
(To be fair to myself BD is not a major interest of mine, but still...)
One could fairly easily map out reel strips without even going to the casino. This might be common knowledge, but you can slow down youtube to .25 speed. At .25 speed you can click pause/unpause and literally catch the reel spinning and write the thing down assuming it is a literal unchanging reel. The slow speed thing is useful for musicians trying to learn songs. Speeding up to 2x is useful when the youtube speaker needs to get it moving along.
I'm not suggesting that it is useful to know the reel, but one could tell if it changes from A to B without a huge amount of effort.
Great idea, but I'm not certain that would work as a way of mapping the reels.
Next time you're in a casino that has Buffalo Grand machines, (the ones with the 5-level uncapped progressives) take a couple minutes and watch one being played. Anytime 2 wheel symbols appear in the first 4 reels, the remaining reels "slow down" for dramatic effect. On these machines, they're slow enough that you can actually track the symbols in real time. Some squares think that by "stopping" the remaining reels when there's a wheel symbol appearing in one of them will get them to the bonus. It doesn't; the reels change instantly as soon as the button is pressed.
Here's what I know about BD reel composition:
Reel 1 has a disproportionate amount of kings, queens, jacks, and eagles.
Reel 2 has a disproportionate amount of tens, aces, and elk. (especially in the bonus rounds)
Reel 3 has a disproportionate amount of nines, tens, and wolves.
Reel 4 has a disproportionate amount of tens
Reel 5 has a disproportionate amount of all animal symbols. (especially buffalo.)
It's impossible for more than one buffalo to appear in Reel 1.
If you can manage to get a 10 in the first reel, you'll wind up with multiple 10 four-of-a-kinds a vast majority of the time. (but very rarely will you get a 10 five-of-a-kind, as there are very few 10's in the last reel.)
This is only intended to be a partial list. I'm sure there's much more I'm missing.
Acescracked_1210, are the pays worse as the denomination increases in the 2x/3x/4x rounds as well?
I'm curious if you happen to have an estimation of how many symbols are on a reel ? I might play around with youtube and see what happens. Shhh don't tell anyone. "What'd you do?" "Well I watched youtube and counted the reels on the slot machines". I mean that is like some kind of autistic shit right there.
It is obvious by the discussion here that not many have ever seen a real par sheet for a modern day electronic reel machine.
The 75 level returns more units in the freespins than the higher bets levels but the frequencies to get to the multipliers are longer. The overall return to player is about the same on all 4 bet levels but big differences in the configurations. The 75 and 160 levels are pretty close in configuration but the 250 and 400 levels are quite different; smaller main game returns, shorter frequencies on the multipliers but also lower returns in the freespins.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
I have for sure noticed quite a lot of four of a kind 10's, at least from what I recall. So that makes sense.
Slowing down the video and mapping the symbols could work. Just because stopping the reel instantly changes what's on there "right now" to whatever it's supposed to be doesn't mean you can't slow down the video and map it accurately. By stopping the reel early all you're doing is jumping forward. Granted, I don't know if what is being shown while the reel is spinning is an accurate representation of the actual reel odds. But these are two very different things (accurate representation vs stopping it early).
#FreeTyde
I like the decimal method for calculating plays. The decimals are derived by dividing the value of a freespin by the number of regular spins it takes to get it.
For example, on the 75 level, the value of a 2X freespin is 3.337 units (based on 6K freespins).
The frequency to get to the 2X is 565.56. This number comes from multiplying the number of regular games it takes to catch the wheel, 132.68, by the average number of wheel spins it takes to catch the 2X multiplier, 4.24. That works out to 565.56.
3.337/565.5 = .0059 rounded.
Decimal for 3X is .001943
Decimal for 4X is .001295
So say I run into this configuration 2X 33/3X 56/ 4X 102
main game return is 64.2%
2X meter speed is 5.536%
The 3X and 4X meter speeds are not included because most of the time we are going to hit the 2X first then quit the play.
We've got a 69.7% base game
33 X .0059 = .1947
56 X .001943 = .1088
102 X .001295 = 13.2%
Total 43.55%
69.7 + 43.55 = 113.25%
Keep in mind that even though it shows a big edge most of the time you are going to lose on this play because all of the edge is in the 4X. On a play like this you'll get a payday about every 11 or 12 plays if you can fade the losses in between.
Thanks to Prozema for the database to work with.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
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"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
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